I’ve been thinking about religion and the world a lot for quite some time now. A couple days ago it occurred to me that all religions are praying and aiming toward the same God or goal.
I came to this conclusion because of the fact that humans do one thing extremely well: label. We create ideas that dictate the way the world works (borders, money, social classes, ect). So it isn’t crazy to think that we have done the same thing to religion, create divisions that are only apparent to humans.
I’ve been raised Christian so I’m very familiar with the Bible. One thing I’ve noticed in the Bible is that from the beginning of the Old Testament through the New Testament, God is progressively becoming more accepting of all people. Why this happens is another topic for another time which I would enjoy partaking in but let’s just focus on that fact that God becomes more accepting of all people.
So why would this God that is attempting to tear down borders separating people from one another separate faithful people from Him? I feel as if God (or whatever you call it in your religion) could really care less about what you label yourself as. I it doesn’t matter if you believe in a greater power or not, I think that the only thing that matters is that we as humans try to reach our full potential as conscious (or spiritual, i think they are almost synonymous) beings.
What do you guys think about this? I’d love to hear thoughts on this!
we are a part of some thing much greater then our selves, call it what you will, but life is very real, and all is definitely not what meets the eye. when our psychosomatic well-being is collapsed, or our path is white-washed and we are pushed through life oblivious to our own truth we tend to want to share a similar illusion with similar people in similar situations, and this is where religion dwells.
I agree with you. I am a Roman Catholic though I also find Buddhism practices are good. For me what matters most is being good no matter what.
God is you, and God is me; ask yourself, and your answer will be correct, depending on what your personal beliefs are. You create your own heaven, your own hell, and your own nirvana. I agree with @josephm, we definitely are part of something greater than the individual.
In your second to last paragraph, you interchangeably use God in the sense of religion and God in the sense of a greater power. In my opinion, God in the sense of religion *does* care about what you label yourself as. There are lines in many religious texts which are the word of God that clearly label and put down certain groups of people. (Not going to go into those here, not really relevant) Therefore, I feel it is unfair to use the word God in the sense of a greater power and then say he is becoming more forgiving– Isn’t this just different groups interpretations of him? (The religious “God”)
When it comes to religion, there’s never been one religion that I’ve believed in wholeheartedly. My family is fairly Christian, my grandparents having been active in the church for years and very faithful people. We come to a slight disagreement occasionally as I find that most all religions have a common ground that keeps me from choosing one over the other – all religions have established a universal standard of a “good person” for followers of the faith. Each religion simply intends for the follower to do good unto others, practice humility, help those who cannot help themselves… only good actions = only good influence = only good consequences.
Though each religion has established a “god” in which they worship, all separate in appearance and origin, the primary goal of each is to give the people a higher standard in which to live up to – A higher self to attain, for those who believe to be a part of the “god”(universe) himself.
The point has always been progress, evolution of action and awareness and, in turn, their effect on our existence as a whole. If they were to prove, in fact, that there is no God after all, it may be more possible to surmise that the “god” we know of was created as a natural instinct to keep evolution going. An explanation for what happens after death, and why horrible things happen to us or because of us, and why those things can’t be prevented or felt on a duller scale. Something to stop the evolving neanderthals from fearing the inevitable but invisible death that lurked around every corner and behind every possibility.
“Faith in the paranormal as a pancea for death”, in the words of Steve Volk. The ‘paranormal’ representing anything beyond the scope of normal scientific understanding.
And another good quote from his book Fringology that your mention of “label” reminded me of:
“My point is not that religion itself is the motivation for wars, murders and terrorist attacks, but that religion is the principal label, and the most dangerous one, by which a ‘they’ as opposed to a ‘we’ can be identified at all.” – Richard Dawkins, “Time to Stand Up.”
Well said. I agree that religion was formed for the improvement of mankind, but it has stagnated the evolution of our culture by not changing with the times. Unfortunately, the only person that could change the religious books is another prophet/savior, but I honestly never see that happening.
I think we are talking about 2 different Gods here. One is a God that is totally and equally accepting of every being, regardless of race, nationality, religion, species, etc. I call it the True God. This God is Everything that Is. The other is a god associated with the tribal identity of a particular culture and people. This god is ‘finicky’ and changes his mind a lot because that god is a projection of a culture’s beliefs about what God is, giving him human qualities and ambitions. This god is a false god, IMO. That doesn’t mean we can’t learn moral and cultural history from that form of god, but it basically explains why there are so many varied differences in the ways people believe in God and how the cultural views of God have changed over the centuries. I think as new prophets come into the world the view of God changes through progressive revelation. The God that Jesus taught about is distinctly different from the God that Moses taught about. Jesus could not have come at the time that Moses was around because the people’s understanding of God was not advanced enough to receive such a message. I believe there are various messengers that are out there today, although not as prominent as Jesus or Mohammed, but they are teaching a new way to look at God. The world is much larger and the cultural understandings of God are too varied for there to be just one teacher. We have to keep our ears and eyes open to God speaking to us in every aspect that is possible with communication. More and more, I think God is being revealed as less of a personal entity, more towards being Consciousness Itself. A force that permeates all of existence. Something that each one of us can relate to, regardless of our religious upbringing. This God tears down the borders that we humans have established. It’s not just about thinking outside of the historical “God Box” but coming to and understanding that there is no box. The box is the human ego. It is a false sense of identity and a distortion of the truth. The box is hell itself. If there is a need to put a label on something, it’s a label we put on the illusory box. And each religion, well intentioned as they might seem to be, is just like a different box that we use to try to capture and hold God and Truth prisoner. Each is such a tiny, limited perspective on God. However, each does contain a nugget of truth and is a path to take but not in the sense that all other paths should be rejected as false or improper. None of them gets it totally right because religions are human creations and are governed by humans. All of the various holy books are also written by humans and set the parameters for the various “boxes” that try to hold God. Neither of them is the “Word of God”. This is something that is inside yourself. Each text can help lead you to that place where the Word resides, but they are only to be used as tools and not regarded as The Word themselves.
The tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.
The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.
– From The Tao te Ching by Lao Tzu
I love this topic. Over the past few years I have come to the realization that all religions are in essence the same, just minute differences over who the last prophet was. Islam thinks of Jesus as a prophet, not the messiah. Christians use both the Old and New Testament, while Jews only use the Old Testament. Its even been proposed that Jesus traveled to India and studied Buddhism. All religions are basically the same, its the little differences that make all the big problems. The main idea of all the religions is love.
It seems to odd to me that all the prophets preach love, yet none of the religions do?
It could very easily be said that God is the universe, the “Holy Spirit” is that connectedness of all things in the universe through the electromagnetic field (if you havent already read “The Intention Experiment” and “The Field” I highly suggest you do).
I agree. I came to a similar conclusion that all religions are striving towards the same goal. The same goes for spiritualists, pschonauts etc. Everyone is trying to reach a higher level of consciousness, a unity with the higher power etc. Well they all just have different interpretations of what they have heard, learned, or whatever from their prayers, meditations, psychedelic adventures etc. So yes for me its all the same, all religions are just have different interpretations due to language, time period, culture etc. The only thing that matters is that you dont hurt someone else and that you give back to the earth and others. Sex before marriage, being forced to believe in only certain “Gods”, having to pray at certain times or attend service weekly, all that is non-sense. Its just fear based systems to control people and take their power from them and give it to someone or something that cannot say exists.
Separate yourself from as many labels, categories, groups etc as possible. You will be much happier this way, rather than trying to please a “God(s)”
I see that you are trying to find a satisfactorily sensible answer to the greatest problem of religion: There are too many Gods.So let just argree for a moment that Christianity supports that all gods come from the same God. But do the other religions argree the same point? Second, the core of many religions lie very different from each other. For instance, the core key of understanding the universe of Buddhism is the universe controls itself, but from other many religions (such as Christianity, Greek religons) God controls the universe. Since the cores are not the product of any act of labeling from the people, I find your argument insufficently sensible.
I disagree. I think that it can be logically reasoned that God, according to a Christian view bc thats how I was raised, can be the same higher sense that Buddhism aims towards. Call it Nirvana or Heaven but both things are the highest form of peace after death. Having read both Buddhist and Christian texts, God is Nirvana, The Holy Spirit is the oneness that Buddhist texts talk about.
So let me differentiate the difference between Heaven and Nirvana. Heaven is a place fully entrenched in this realm with desires and phenomena. On the other hand, Nirvana is mostly a state of mind that is detached from everything Heaven offers. Heaven is what Chirst offers with the best goods that humans can never have. From the Buddhism’s viewpoint, this is called attachment, the root of all sufferings. I used to be a Christian so I still remember grand stuffs promised in Heaven. And from my viewpoint, such heaven is nothing like a a fairy land. As for Nirvana, it emphasizes the foremost state of mind, egolessness. It doesn’t promise “The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass”. It simply offers the thing we really need, a proper state of mind. Describing exactly Nirvana is impossible since Nirvana is completely detached from this existence, it’s like describing color Red to a color-blind person. I am not an Buddhist but what I learn about Nirvana is really satisfactory. Plus, if someone is not qualified for a VISA for Heaven, they have to be burned in hell for like eternity LOL. However, if you are not qualified for Nirvana, no problem! You may live another kinds of lives (such as lives of a god, an animal, or a human again) until you’re really ready for Nirvana. Consequently, everyone will be in Nirvana. If you accept Heaven, then you accept Hell. You accept that there are going to be a lot and a lot and a lot of people(maybe you will have a slot too, who knows ?) sufffer in the endless fire of Hell. Then God, the creator, will be a bad creator. Because what he created, personally speaking, really sucks. Also, there are different versions of Gods, such as the one of Muslism, I hear that if you kill people in the name of God, you get a highway to He..aven. You can also fuck with many wives or husbands in Heaven too. Badass God!
God and religion are different.
Religion is doctored/tailored by man, we cannot know who or what God is or what he wants.
Yes, I think all the religions may have given different names to the same God or Universe as some believe. I personally see the concept of energy and universal mind as more promising than following a religion. The latter seems to undivide us since the religions have unknowingly divided us in factions. Rest is like you said we have to reach the highest potential as conscious beings
Yeah, God is attempting to separate people. That must be it. People have absolutely nothing to do with it.
The next person who says “I am God” or “We are Gods” out loud in my presence will receive a free shoe. On the head. Just to make a point shoes hurt more than God does.
Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a god superior to themselves. Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child. -Lazarus Long
God isnt something physical, he’s conciousness expressed as a whole rather than as individual organisms. This is my own personal theory, I think the key thing about self aware beings is the amazing abilities of the imagination.
when people start to see this universal conciousness, they realised it wasnt a physical thing you could see or touch, but all of these people were left the task of trying to explain it to the physical minded people.
Ultimately I think there are three ways of thinking, you have scientific, spiritual, and neutral. The scientific favour the physical (to a certain degree) the spiritual favour the non physical (to a certain degree) and the neutral merely observe.
So how does one explain emotions? how do you explain the meaning of life when its realised that the meaning is in learning to control your emotions and to stop controlling your creativity, not the other way around, which seems to be the way most live now.
The point in the religions isnt the religion itself, which is merely the collection of opinions and ideas, but to look at the meaning each individual ‘prophet’ or ‘saint’ is trying to explain.
When you start to notice that these stories are only a way to explain the none physical, you see them differently, and over time you start to see shapes and patterns form, not just in the different religions but in every aspect of life, you see the relationship between the stars in the sky and the neurons in your brain, you slowly start to see for yourself that everything in this universe is connected.
The universe is a super organism, an energy ocean that is alive and its trying to experience itself through creation, through imagination, and self aware beings are merely the universe starting to understand that it understands itself, and from here on controlled creation takes affect and pushes a species into a hyper drive through evolution.
Religion is merely an argument over whose way of explaining the same thing is the best. Using the imagination to create gods and demons to represent emotions and the other none physical aspects of the universe.
over the years the meaning has been lost and now we have chaos.
Luckily for us the natural balance of the universe is neutral, and if the is too much chaos, order will come eventually and even everything out.
right now we have a seperation of our species, those that truly comprehend that they are aware, and that they are part of the universe and have become neutral as a result, and the other half understanding what it means to be aware but not comprehending it, and as a result feel seperate from the universe.
Those who are truely religious dont follow religion, and those who are truly scientific don’t follow science.
The wise man doesnt answer questions, he asks them. When you truly comprehend this you see the hypocrisy in all those that tell you their way of thinking is the right way and if its not the same way of thinking its the wrong way of thinking. This doesnt allow for natural evolution of thoughts and ideas which have been the driving force of everything we consider ourselves to be successful at.
All religions are completely right, yet an absolute lie at the same time. Its the same with science.
Quantom physics is showing us more everyday that our view of reality is flawed. As the ideas and thoughts that rose from the double split experiment evolve, we will slowly grow to understand that our attachment to the physical world blinds us with a physical bias and we fail to see the importance of the none physical in everyday life.
These are all just my opinions. I am quite happy to admit I have a vivid imagination and tend to over think things too much. but I dont feel this causes me any stress and I feel happy to share my thoughts. I will be happy to recieve any criticism to what I’ve said :)
hope you all had a nice weekend.