I just want to know what everyone’s thoughts are on Jesus. I’m not interested in everyone’s thoughts on the religion(s) of Christianity. In my opinion religion is a bad thing, and from what I understand, Jesus came to destroy religion and never endorsed the idea of church. Actually didn’t he say not to be like the people going to church(The Pharisees is what I think they’re called?) So I just wanted to make sure this conversation stays focused on Jesus, rather than on Christian people, churches, etc.
@stayplanted, Jesus is a pretty cool dude, right up there with Buddha and Mohammad. I think that these prophets were really psychologists before the term was coined. Long ago, they were called councilors. Perhaps Jesus is a story about a dude who did some “impossible” things so that people who done some horrible things can be at ease because there was this really cool dude who was devine, an ambassador of God, who is going to forgive us because it’s easy to get angry and do stupid things, despite other people who will hold grudges and not forgive.
This is starting to sound like I’m bogus-high. Well, there’s a few ideas to wrestle.
I believe that Jesus was real but i also am skeptical about the stories about him in the bible. I have a feeling that we really do not know much about the true man Jesus and there are just stories about him. And you know what happens to stories when they travel from person to person. Also i am not sure that the translations from the scripts are that reliable. If anyone can prove me wrong would welcome it.
@thatguy46and2, Very insightful. I too believe that these very monolithic figures in human history were actually just very enlightened men who wanted to share their experience with everyone else.
In this way we all have access to the enlightenment and “holiness” that these people achieved
I believe that Jesus was a normal human being just like me and whoever else is reading this. He was a very enlightened man who understood the world and spreading love & helping others & shit like that. He wasn’t God, or this special son of God & he didn’t have powers to turn water into wine, he couldn’t walk on water, and he didn’t resurrect from the dead. That’s complete bullshit to me. He was a very enlightened man who was killed by those in power at the time just like how those in power today shut people up who try to spread some knowledge and wake others up. I do believe he was crucified on a cross and all that stuff.
You know how people are when we tell stories. We exaggerate sometimes & add extra details to make the story better. Add that up over years and years and you have the story that we have of Jesus today.
I believe Jesus was a man like us, he had an enlightening experience very young and realized, like the Buddha, that he was one with the world, humanity, the universe, and God. Within his hebrew cultural world view he did not have the eastern terminology or spiritual vocabulary to describe the way he experienced life and unity with the creator. Even if he had that kind of cultural linguistic understanding, the society he lived in would not have understood or related to what he would say. Thus he spoke about himself and the nature of our life on this earth in the way he knew how, calling himself a “son of God” rather than claiming that mankind is one with God and that he has realized this. Jesus was a real man, not imaginary there is historical evidence. He reached a level of enlightenment which is much higher than most of humanity has ever achieved and the ripple effects of that reality has echoed throughout history since.
@stayplanted, Just like all revolutionary personalities that dared to speak for what is right, they get killed. I think there is a pattern on how revolutionaries are “beyond their years” and are often misunderstood in their time. I don’t mean in a literal sense that Jesus was a real person, but the whole plot and character of the Bible is based on timeless life lessons.
@thatguy46and2, I can’t really answer that. I don’t hold those answers. I can’t picture a religion who’s iconic symbol of sacrifice is a guy drinking from a cup either. We do still recognize the work of Socrates & credit him with being a great founder for many things
Oh Jesus, I love You
And I love Buddha too
Ramakrishna, Guru Dev
Tao Te Ching and Mohammed
Why do some people say
That there is just one way
To love You, God, and come to You?
We are all a part of You
You are un-nameable
You are unknowable
All we have is metaphor
That’s what time and space are for
Is the universe Your thought?
You are and You are not
You are many, You are one
Ever ending, just begun
Mason Jennings – I Love You and Buddha Too
This sums up my view on religion. And it’s also a fantastic song.
@stayplanted, Personally I believe Jesus was likely head of a vaudevillian theatre troop who would play act out stories to audiences. I think he was classically Greek educated and likely spent time and study in Egypt and in India around Hindus and Buddhists. I also think he had a sympathy for Essene and Zealot interpretations of the Torah.
Ok. I’ve just realized something life-changing.
On the topic. Jesus was real. Excluding the fairytales he was a real person and for some mysterious reason his lifestyle and values made people talk about him and his ways more than his actual existence. Wow. Look at that. Anyway, point given.
@stayplanted, Some little hints about an Essene affiliation; Jesus spent 40 days in the desert, the key Essene settlement, Kirbet Qamran, is in the desert east of Jerusalem.
Jesus denoted animal sacrifice, a prevailing practice of Essenes at the time was to refuse to partake in animal sacrifice, mostly because the system had been corrupted by the priesthood.
An offshoot sect of the Essenes was called the Nazareans, suggesting Jesus may not so much have been called a Nazarene after the town but a Nazarean after the Essene variation.
Essenes also abstained in all worldly indulgences, voluntarily lived in poverty, devoting all their incomes to charity, they immersed themselves in water daily (baptism) and were pacifists committed to channelling peace.
Jesus was a jock in his teen years, super popular and got a lot of pussy. He grew up to be cocky, really into himself to the point he thought he was higher than other beings. One day while walking in the desert, he found a mushroom patch. He ingested the shrooms unbeknownst their effects were to be a psilocybin trip. Jesus began experiencing a typical trip, resulting in “hearing the voice of and/or being God”. After an incredible spiritual awakening, he headed back to his village to report what he believed to be reality– that he was God (anyone who has tripped has felt this)– but was all just his soul being revealed to himself thru a mind-altering chemical.
Being a Sagicorn (Sagittarius/Capricorn cusp person), Jesus was highly amiable (sag) but intensely serious (cap). Thus, people liked him and thought he was cool, and also took what he said as serious truth. A philosopher by nature (sag) he went to work in the selling business (cap). He spread the message his desert trip taught him and sold to lost souls, virtually everyone. Because his hair was so beautiful, people began worship him (this is also why we don’t worship Socrates, Nietzsche, Einstein…no other great philosophers had such a luscious stallion main as Jesus).
People admired his message, and Jesus let this admiration get to his head when he (narcissisticly) claimed that he was the son of God. Everyone agreed that was so, as this fellow was the only one who seemed to know how to live a good life. But as all great leaders do, he had haters. And these haters wanted to end his reign as so-called “god” because their kings would not matter in society that had God in it. Jesus, having enough celeb-status, got up on the crucifix to be assassinated. And then he died. Forever.
The Beliebers, oops I meant Jesus Followers, were so saddened by his death and they mourned by creating stories about their beloved Jesus. The stories were sensationalized, creative, and fictional, but the lessons encapsulated within were powerful and meaningful. The stories based on Jesus’ teachings gained popularity, and they were all put into a book named the Bible. It sold and spread like wildfire because everyone hyped it up. Hundreds of thousands of years later, people are still saying, “Jesus is my homeboy”.
Don’t be so ignorant of what Christ said and read the gospel for Christ sake.
If you’re gonna talk about what he did then at least know what he did!
He was a jew, he performed the jewish rites!
Damn! so much ignorance! Pharisees are priests of a certain sect.
Jesus did not teach of the destroying of religion, religion was his main aim. Jesus was a religious man and performed hebrew rites like a true israelite and respect the whole law.
Jesus was not a rebel and he made that clear. He did not say to stay away from people who went to church as he himself went to church. In the bible you can see that many of his sermons were to people in churches as he himself was a doctor.
No offense but there is quite a bit of ignorance in your post because the jesus you are talking about bears no resemblance to the true Jesus.
Read the gospel for yourself and you will see.
I kinda just skimmed through the comments, so please excuse me if I am being repetitive. I believe that Jesus was very much real. Jesus falls into the same category of Buddha and Muhammad. These people were people that had gone so deep into meditation that they became immersed in God. And of course by God I mean much more that what western religion would say. They came out of it and taught to the people. They all taught the same thing. All the major religions of the world are essentially the same; just different languages. Also I do believe they did do miracles to an extent. They did things that a normal person would not be able to do because of their understanding of reality. However I think that some the miracles might have become exaggerated over the course of many years of storytelling. Lastly, I believe anyone can reach their level of enlightenment, do “miracles,” even explore their and others’ minds with enough meditation