I just want to know what everyone’s thoughts are on Jesus. I’m not interested in everyone’s thoughts on the religion(s) of Christianity. In my opinion religion is a bad thing, and from what I understand, Jesus came to destroy religion and never endorsed the idea of church. Actually didn’t he say not to be like the people going to church(The Pharisees is what I think they’re called?) So I just wanted to make sure this conversation stays focused on Jesus, rather than on Christian people, churches, etc.
@stevenv, we are talking about an a character of that ancient book. Does it make any sense to take a character from a book and ascribe a whole new story and believe it to be true?
I can say I think that moses used to rob banks, but the only evidence we have for the man’s character goes entirely against that like it does here.
If this person wishes to speak about the bible, concepts in it, or someone from it, don’t you want him to know at least a little bit about what hes talking about?
@alchemonk, Sure I’ll read about it. But I wouldn’t say something like this.
“No offense but there is quite a bit of ignorance in your post because the jesus you are talking about bears no resemblance to the true Jesus.”
As if a “true” Jesus existed or as if you actually knew how Jesus exactly was.
What makes you think that I do not? What makes you think so strongly that the bible is wrong because of its age?
Do you reject the idea that God can reach out to one he sees reaching out to Him, by reading the bible and trying to know more about God?
@alchemonk, Yeah but I’m sure if Jesus was so enlightened which I believe he was. He would of not said that you need to go to church to find god. It’s already in us. He even said we are gods.
The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS ‘? “If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),…
@stevenv, it says in genesis that we are gods, yes. But being a god is very much different from being God. The nature is completely different.
And either way, I am not being extreme and telling anyone they need to go to church or go to hell, I am saying that Jesus was not against church. It’s as simple as holding a candle in a dark room.
I think jesus was a god, and then died, and then came back as an all powerful god zombie. Yep. It was told to me. In a book. Written by people I don’t know, translated and lost more times than I can count, but I know this is true. For the bible tells me so.
Come dafaq on.
Does anyone actually have a link or some evidence outside of the bible that shows that a historical Jesus or a Jesus-like figure existed?
If not, then there is no point in discussing the actual existence of this man since the only claim comes from a book revised and rewritten by a corrupt institution over hundreds of years.
My guess, Jesus is a template for what people should be like, not an actual person. The same way that we should aspire to be like Superman despite not being able to fly, we should be like Jesus despite not having the powers of turning water into wine or other powers associated with zombified demi-gods of the past.
You are right. The bible cannot be wrong because it is an artistic expression filled with metaphors, analogies and other abstractions, it is a waste of time to try to reconcile the bible with factual knowledge of the universe. It would be like trying to prove that the physics of animated cartoons fall within the realm of our lived life and luckily, no one tries, but unfortunately the same is not true with commonly held mythology.
@stevenv, If he was not for it, then why did he say nothing like that? Why did he become a rabbi if he hated church and religion so much?
And why were all of his apostles israelites? Why did he complete every task and perform every rite having to do with the law?
You are choosing to see jesus only how you want to see him, why don’t your read of some sources and get some real information instead of saying things which are not true?
But as for this ‘If we are gods wouldn’t we all be the God? What makes you think god can only be one thing?’
Think of it like this: The cells are part of the body. The cells are not the body, but they make up the body.
@alchemonk, I am not choosing to see Jesus in any way because I know that he is irreverent anyways. You are looking to much into his person and not what he “taught” and I don’t care to learn too much about him. I know I don’t need to know who he is to know the infinite inside me. What did I say that was so incorrect? Anyway’s the cells are part of the body and are the body. Without the cells the body wouldn’t exist.
@stevenv, ‘but I’m sure he wasn’t for it.’ this is what you said that was wrong.
I know what he taught, we are on a different point right now though, we are talking about what he did and what he stood for, which is a teaching itself.
‘I don’t care to learn too much about him.’
well if you know nothing of him and you do not care to, why even speak of him? You are a foolish man to have even said anything.
‘I know I don’t need to know who he is to know the infinite inside me.’
If you knew what of you is infinite you would know exactly who Jesus was and you would seek nothing but him you foolish man. Do you just spout out words which make make you seem spiritual and cunning? Your words give you the lie! Why speak as if you know something but do not? You should not speak until you know, and you should make every effort to know.
O careless man who allows his tongue to deceive him! The pride of being man can only take you back to the dust of this earth.
@alchemonk, How do you KNOW what he taught? We barley have evidence he existed. I’m the foolish one? You believe in damn fairy tales man. You’re fighting so hard to keep your belief about something that is ancient. Something you can’t prove. Something that even if it was true would really have no effect on you other than the effect you let it have.
I don’t need to know about anyone because people are irreverent we are much more than just human beings. Why would I value the word of 1 man over the word of everyone else and ESPECIALLY myself? That just makes no sense.
I used to think Jesus was wise and revolutionary in his ideas about love until I was reading the gospel and I read a quotation from Jesus:
“You will always have the poor, but you will not always have me.”
in the context where Jesus rectifies the use of expensive perfumes and oils with which to wash his feet instead of donating the value of these materials to the poor.
I don’t see him as a role model or a wise teacher.
I don’t know anything about jesus, i was laying in bed once and tried to give him my soul. i heard a voice in my head and decided never mind. i think it said “once you start you can’t go back” i can’t remember anymore. i have to many hallucinations.
I think you gotta give Jesus a break. I think he existed. There are hundreds of gospels of people who came into contact with him. (Not just the Christian Canon, but the Gnostic Gospels as well) Written Language was just getting going and for a couple of hundred years people would just memorize the gospels and tell them around the fire or dinner tables and then a few hundred years later they started writing the gospels down when written text became more prominent. Very similar to what was going on with Buddhism at the the time. Those hundreds of years of verbal story telling enabled a lot of exaggeration and flare to creep in, but if you squint through the lines what you see is an enlightened dude who was very buddha like and was seriously channeling the god-head through self experience–who knows how he got there…some just stumble on it, others meditate for long periods, perhaps he took a walk down the silk road and met some hindu or buddhist teachers. Either way by the time he got back to the middle east in his 30’s he was a pretty enlightened person and in a world filled with famine, disease, overzealous government, and fear, the spiritual message he was speaking from the heart (we’re all one, god is within, love your neighbor like yourself) differed entirely from the hateful old testament. A few people were converted by his words and began to feel the god spirit–these were mostly his disciples that you read about. Others were just wow’ed by the message and came to listen to what he had to say. When his followers began to grow in numbers others capitalized on his popularity and began to subvert his teaching for their own personal gain.
Can’t prove or defend any of this…just my two cents….
To add a little more; Jewish diets were strict to kosher but Essenes believed it was more offensive to God to refuse food that was granted them, so they would eat gentile food if presented with it, where Jews would not eat swine, fowl, mollusc or Camel, Essenes would not seek such food themselves but they would not turn it down if a host offered it.
Jesus and later Paul both taught this way of looking at food.