Just Some Conversations with God

I have been reading up on a bunch of theology and religion-related philosophy lately. Here are a couple short stories that have really planted some interesting seeds in my head, so I thought I would share them with all of you.

http://philosophy.thecastsite.com/readings/anonymous1.html

http://www.fullmoon.nu/articles/art.php?id=tal

November 4, 2013 at 9:02 am
Ezra (12) (@zinvera) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

I read both of these. I read the first one before, except it was called “The Egg”. The second “Talking to God”, was long but very interesting. My question in response to you, posting two of stories of the same topic, is which one do you prefer or find more plausible?

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Levi William Ethan Dowdle (0) (@leviwedowdle) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

@zinvera, I personally have a very difficult time believing in any type of creator or deity, but, while I do believe in reincarnation and find the first one more plausible, I am drawn more towards the second one. This is mainly due to the universal consciousness idea it presents (which I am a firm believer in) and the manipulation of energy rather than matter. I feel a lot of what the second story presents is what eastern religions and philosophies have been telling everyone for thousands of years. Scientists are also delving deeper and deeper into quantum physics and the study of biological energy, proving much of what these philosophies were telling us. I also love the idea of the progression through level one, level two and so on. This idea of eventually becoming information beings is astounding to me, and even more so the universal consciousness becoming personally conscious in everyone, as opposed to having solely a subconscious and physical effect. I will be honest here, the second story slightly shook my anti-war stance. It talks about danger being necessary for knowledge to fully blossom, using nuclear weapons, biological weapons, and digital weapons as examples, with human nature being so innately competitive, how could war be avoided if we are to gain the knowledge we require as a species to evolve? I didn’t think I would ever endorse this, but it is a means to an ends, probably the only justifiable end, though. Back to the first story, I see it as very plausible, like I mentioned, I believe in reincarnation as well as a universal consciousness. It got me thinking in almost a pseudo-solipsism perspective. If I am the only one in the universe that would not only prove beyond a doubt universal consciousness, but also completely destroy any concept of time being linear (let alone existent). I think it ties perfectly into the second story, though (other than the time bit). If the universal consciousness is just a product of me being everyone who has, does, and ever will exist on earth, the final stage that “God” talks about in the second story would just be me fully realizing that the human race is just me. This would mean I could then use every single thing I ever created (or will create) to my disposal to replace “God” as the omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent or omnimanevolent being of either this universe or another of my choosing/creation. I could go on and on and on about this but I will stop rambling as I, ironically, must wake up earlyish for my philosophy class in the morning.

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Ezra (12) (@zinvera) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Something that I have learned is that rambling in writing is actually a good thing, because that is where you stumble upon great ideas. I agree with some of the points that you have made. The first one is an interesting spin on consolidating all major religions, and brings to light the space- time continuum, and how humans have the linear perception of time. While the second story has the view of a god solely as a selfish observer. A concept that was brought up in the second story, was that through the way of evolution humans would move through the levels of becoming a more efficient civilization, is one that I find interesting. There have been article and documentaries done about how the aliens that we think may be visiting us are actually the human race millions of years in the future. Although it’s something that you have to decide for your self if you view those “aliens” as part of us or something completely separate. Most of what I’ve stated is a concept that is also in the book that I’m reading right now, “Ender’s Game”. In this book, there are aliens that they called “buggers”, that attempted to invade the Earth. The hypothesis is that they are insects from Earth that have evolved and have come back to colonize the Earth. The “buggers” function like honey bees, with a queen and a I standouts form of communication similar to telepathy. They move as a hive mind, which is also similar to the universal conscious that you talk about. Even with this said, I highly doubt that we will ever be able to obtain the ability of telepathy through evolution. Chances are that if we were able to obtain this ability that it would be by technology. Also if you look at the denial of hitting our oil peak in the 80’s, and our self- imposed ignorance as far as our government and also what we are capable of, we are not going to be able to get the to evolutionary level of manipulating energy instead of matter. We will die out by way of war before that could ever happen. I find the first more plausible, because it includes the personal conscious as well as the universal connection between us. The only thing that I think that I can take away from the second and agree with is the level in the process of evolution that our human civilization can take. I also find it hard to believe that there is a god entity, but more of an idea. So due to this I find it hard to believe that if there was a god that he would be so much like Sid from “Toy Story”. That he would create a conducive environment for life, and then just sit and wait for a companion, that he would be so nonchalant and selfish.

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Levi William Ethan Dowdle (0) (@leviwedowdle) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

While I agree with most of the points you make here, I must argue on the point of manipulating energy. I follow eastern philosophy more than anything and with quantum physics proving more and more the teachings these philosophies offer, I find this concept very difficult to deny. There’s more and more people who know how to manipulate internal energy. And as far as external energy goes, I would like to use electricity as an admittedly weak example. We can look at Benjamin Franklin and Nikolai Tesla, these two men discovered the secret to manipulating energy with matter. We can also look at how we use fires (campfires, torches, Etc.) Here is a link that might aid to my point on the side of eastern philosophy.
https://www.youtube.com/watchv=4HdvNeZDXbk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I feel we are getting closer and closer to manipulating external energy without the use of matter.

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