Ketamine: The Estranged Psychedelic

 Jordan Lejuwaan (@jordan) 6 years, 5 months ago

Has anyone else tried out ketamine? I had my first experience with it about a year ago and have since tried it a few times because it is flat-out the most interesting and spiritual drug I have tried. Shrooms and Acid pale in comparison (no joke).

For those who don’t know, Ketamine is a very powerful anesthetic, generally known as a horse tranquilizer. This causes it to have highly dissociative effects — you lose many, if not all of your bodily sensations. This ranges from being numb in your hands, to walking and not being able to feel your feet hit the ground (the only way to experience floating!) to losing 100% of sensation, which is called a K-hole. This all probably sounds very scary at first, and I won’t pretend that it’s not. You must be an experienced drug user to get the most out of K. But if used with a psychonaut mindset, you can attain some of the most profound states you could (and could not) imagine. Many experienced users say that they can reach more profound states with K than even DMT/Ayahuasca.

Effects:

– Insane time dilation — Your 45 minute trip will feel like 2-3 hours. Not in the marijuana way of ‘oh shit man, it’s already 2?’, but in a serious ‘I swear to god it was three times as long’

– Feeling connected to the universe / consciousness. This one is hard to explain. More than any other drug, K makes you feel one with everything to the point of being able to receive advice from what I think is the collective unconscious. You might also call it your guardian angels or higher beings. Yeah, freaking crazy.

– Ability to image the outcome of future events (and past events) with intense detail. I’ll let this guy from Erowid explain it:

Ketamine is good for personal analysis because in “eternity,” one can see all of the events and actions which shape and mold individual behavior. One can see the ego as a billiard-ball interacting, bouncing, and reacting in very methodical ways to events in temporal and spacial proximity. This is the “gem” of the Ketamine experience – the objective viewpoint one gets of their own ego and actions. It is as if one’s “eternal” self – that self which exists outside of linear time and 3-D space – is brought to the forefront of consciousness so it can look objectively down on the “solid” or “flesh” self. Facets of ego and personality begin to unravel into intricate cause and effect chains which shape who we are, how society functions, and how human beings interact within that society.

This process of objectively observing and intentionally altering personal behavior is called Metaprogramming – a term coined by John Lilly. Ketamine enables metaprogramming in individuals to a point where it seems like synaptic pathways are almost consciously being rerouted to acheive a desired reality shift. In the emergent state, one can literally “try on” new facets of personality, perception, and reality. For instance, you can invoke a new attitude for yourself, fit it into your old reality paradigm, judge possible outcomes and effects, then keep it or scrap it. You can project yourself into the future, into a new relationship, into a new career, or into a new life. This is not an abstract projection, it is as if it is actually happening! When you find a new reality, resolution, or answer that suits you, you can live it out and measure it against the reality you just came from. If you want to keep it, it’s yours upon reentry into the physical. How long it lasts is up to you.

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Has your jaw dropped yet? Well let me drop one more piece of knowledge on you: Ketamine can be used to induce an out-of-body experience with ease. If you’ve studied OOBE’s you’ll know why. When trying to induce an OOBE while sober, your intention is to dissociate yourself from your body and imagine sensations outside of your body. With K, this state is a given with the right dose.

Lastly, the negatives. Ketamine must either be snorted or injected. It can be ingested, but it’s not as effective. Shooting anything foreign directly into your brain isn’t that awesome for you obviously. However the feel just fine the next day. From my research, this is not even as bad for you than a few lines of cocaine, and SO much more rewarding.

So that’s Ketamine. Anyone have some K experiences they’d like to share?

March 30, 2012 at 12:11 pm
SumtinProphetic (4,923) (@sumtinprophetic) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

Dang… never tried it before but this is very intriguing.@jordan, how much would you recommend snorting?

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Jordan Lejuwaan (23,421)A (@jordan) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

@sumtinprophetic, I’d highly recommend it. Especially with K because it’s a very powdery substance and immediately numbs everything it touches. Perfect for snorting.

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SumtinProphetic (4,923) (@sumtinprophetic) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

@jordan, lol word – I was asking how much you recommend snorting though…

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Jordan Lejuwaan (23,421)A (@jordan) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

@sumtinprophetic, oh haha. Somewhere around 50mg. From what I’ve read, you would need around 150mg for a K-hole experience.

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Jordan Lejuwaan (23,421)A (@jordan) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

OH and I almost forgot, there is a more potent analog of K that is still completely legal in the US. It’s called methoxetamine — //www.erowid.org/chemicals/methoxetamine/. You can order it online for pretty cheap.

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Mike Wuest (509) (@mikeyw829) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

Sounds interesting. I can see why it is starting to be used for treating depression. Jordan, I have a question. How high would you rate hallucinogens in bringing about psychological transformation for you? I’m not really skeptical of them I’ve just not done many drugs at all and am curious, although I’m trying mushrooms soon.

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Martijn Schirp (112,764)A (@martijn) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

@jordan, Damn, this was what I was wanting to hear from you! Now I am excited too!

Did you experience the K-hole? Or the OOBE?

The metaprogramming explanation is amazing, I never saw it that way but it somewhat similar to other psychedelics. Especially to my ayahuasca experience, the difference is that during ayahuasca, you are not in control and you can’t change the perspectives. You get shown perspectives and you get connected with your deepest insecurities but also your highest potential. It’s like all your ego’s dissolve because they are not important anyway.

@mikeyw829, Very high, it can definitely break open the skeptical gate that prevents you from considering new and hitherto crazy ideas. It makes you want to change within.

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Uncle Myu (38) (@wizster) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

i love you guys. we are consciousness right? different components of the same stream of reflective thought. Cells of one organism re-establishing communication. i love it. i’ve never tried Special K. never had a full on OOBE. I’ve had my own experiences.
It’s just so nice to see the soul consciously looking for itself and communicating with itself. Trying different things out to get the ultimate answer. i didn’t have a chance to see this for so long. i felt so alone.
the convo is great, sorry to interrupt. don’t mind me, i’m just the janitor eavesdropping while i’m sweeping behind you… reflecting on a time when i thought i was by myself in the spiritual struggle.

btw @jordan, hell of a post. i got schooled.

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Jordan Lejuwaan (23,421)A (@jordan) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

@mikeyw829, I would rate them as #1 in my life, with meditation coming in second. Marijuana and psychedelics are the reason this site exists. I cannot recommend them enough.

@martijn, I was going to take enough to K-hole after Ultra, but then I got sick for the rest of the week before flying home. Had to ditch the stash. But I’m going to order some of the MXE and induce and OOBE soon. Cannot wait. You should read some of K-hole experiences on erowid. Insanneeee. As for metaprogramming, you seem to only be in control of the first event. Then it shoots off and shows you what would come from said event/choice/persona. This was only off of 75mg or so too. Can’t wait to see what happens with 150 :)

@wizster, Yes we are certainly consciousness. The way reality works becomes painfully clear on ketamine. It’s undeniable. Like you ‘remember’ again for a short time.

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1.61803399 (246) (@drunkmonkmeth) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

I’ve done it and i don’t like it. shoot I’d rather do a 8ball of blow and hope i live than do K again.

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Jordan Lejuwaan (23,421)A (@jordan) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

@drunkmonkmeth, I’ve heard of a lot of people say they don’t like it. It’s by far the most bizarre sensation I’ve experienced (besides salvia…) so that’s understandable.

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Chris (74) (@comicsanmc) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

I’ve met 5 people who have done Special K, but only 1 recommended it. Sounds awesome.

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1.61803399 (246) (@drunkmonkmeth) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

bizarre indeed.. but not as enjoyable as shrooms.. when I do shrooms (only at cottages and in the wild.) I explore and everything is beautiful and trippy and fun.. On K which I’ve done 2 times I felt like I was just drugged up.. literally tranquilized and fading away slowly.

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Jordan Lejuwaan (23,421)A (@jordan) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

You really have to go into it know what the drug does, and knowing how to use it. It’s like a fastrack to a deep meditative state where you are so in your mind that your body is no longer a thought.

And if you listen to music on it, I guarantee you’ll have a good time. K makes any song sound like it’s being played in a massive auditorium. Live.

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Raphael (2) (@raphael) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

I went to order some methoxetamine, but it just got banned ‘temporarily’ for 12 months in the UK a few days ago! It probably won’t be back. I wish I found out sooner, oh well.

D.M. Turner rated the intensity of a K experience 10 – Infinity, and gave DMT a 9-10.

Nice post Jordan, the guy from Erowid explains it better than D.M. Turner did.

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

@jordan, My question is, are there any negative side effects or dangers to this drug? Do you lose the ability to move? Is it addictive? etc.
My friend has offered this to me in the past and I turned it down because it just sounds sketchy seeing it is a horse tranquillizer. Also, my friend has experiences a K-Hole and he does not recommend it to anyone.

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Jordan Lejuwaan (23,421)A (@jordan) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

@raphael, Thanks man. The drug gets a really bad rap from being a tranquilizer and because ‘K-holing’ sounds really scary. I think it’s the most underrated/misunderstood drug out there.

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Jordan Lejuwaan (23,421)A (@jordan) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

@blankey, It’s no more addictive than cocaine. But it’s more of an intense experience so I can’t see someone doing it everyday. Like how you couldn’t possibly trip shrooms every day.

About the K-hole, I’ve come really close to it and can tell that it would be horrible if you’re not aiming for it. If you want to experience an OOBE, you’ll be stoked. If not, you’ll be horrified that you are completely paralyzed and have no point of reference to where your body is. As with any psychedelic, it’s all about perspective.

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Daniella (347) (@bombdiggity) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

I’ve always wanted to try it, but have always been scared because of its bad rep. I think it’s because I watched the movie Party Monster.. I guess it doesn’t exactly show the most spiritually rewarding results but it still looked like fun!

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Nightowl (259) (@nightowl) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

Anyone personally familiar with MXE that’s able to account for it in this use relative to K?

I’ve only had one experience, supposedly K but turned out to be MXE. This description of K only seems to cue some of my experience.

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Jason (1) (@geauxst) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

K completely changed my life. Before I even knew anything about it. Back then I just use to like getting fucked up and would try anything. I look back now and think about it and can see the chain reaction of events, seemed like pure chaos back then.

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

@nightowl, Would you like to describe your experience with MXE?

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Jordan Lejuwaan (23,421)A (@jordan) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

@bombdiggity, That’s the crazy thing about psychedelics — how subjective the experience is. I tripped shrooms with a bunch of people in Thailand and the majority of the group spent the entire time just making silly faces and laughing at nothing while myself and another guy were more reclusive and had a very spiritual experience. If you don’t close your eyes and going ‘into yourself’ so-to-speak, K will not give you the experience I described.

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Martijn Schirp (112,764)A (@martijn) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

The first time someone offered me Ketamine was in Nepal (you can buy it on every corner in those little shops/pharmacies). I did some research and found it was the only addictive psychedelic, so I was a bit hesitant to try it out. In the end I turned the offer down, because the guy who offered me the K used it almost every hour and his mind was everywhere.

I wonder how that kid is doing :/

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minxedup (170) (@minxed) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

I had a bad one where I didn’t realise what it was and had too much and think it threw me into a ‘k-hole’… it was horrible and I was relieved when it was over. everything seemed to shatter… was very wierd.

I’ve had the oobe on a smaller dose which was fun.

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ItsMeYo (0) (@MindYoNeck) 6 months, 2 weeks ago ago

@minxed That’s called a Death Hole.   At least that was the nickname we gave it.   Ya, that was like….. 1,000th Dimension shit going on LOL  (imo it wasn’t bad, it was just very… very.. VERY unlike anything else ever… definitely not of any dimension ever even written about).

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