Ketamine: The Estranged Psychedelic

 Jordan Lejuwaan (@jordan)8 years, 6 months ago

Has anyone else tried out ketamine? I had my first experience with it about a year ago and have since tried it a few times because it is flat-out the most interesting and spiritual drug I have tried. Shrooms and Acid pale in comparison (no joke).

For those who don’t know, Ketamine is a very powerful anesthetic, generally known as a horse tranquilizer. This causes it to have highly dissociative effects — you lose many, if not all of your bodily sensations. This ranges from being numb in your hands, to walking and not being able to feel your feet hit the ground (the only way to experience floating!) to losing 100% of sensation, which is called a K-hole. This all probably sounds very scary at first, and I won’t pretend that it’s not. You must be an experienced drug user to get the most out of K. But if used with a psychonaut mindset, you can attain some of the most profound states you could (and could not) imagine. Many experienced users say that they can reach more profound states with K than even DMT/Ayahuasca.

Effects:

– Insane time dilation — Your 45 minute trip will feel like 2-3 hours. Not in the marijuana way of ‘oh shit man, it’s already 2?’, but in a serious ‘I swear to god it was three times as long’

– Feeling connected to the universe / consciousness. This one is hard to explain. More than any other drug, K makes you feel one with everything to the point of being able to receive advice from what I think is the collective unconscious. You might also call it your guardian angels or higher beings. Yeah, freaking crazy.

– Ability to image the outcome of future events (and past events) with intense detail. I’ll let this guy from Erowid explain it:

Ketamine is good for personal analysis because in “eternity,” one can see all of the events and actions which shape and mold individual behavior. One can see the ego as a billiard-ball interacting, bouncing, and reacting in very methodical ways to events in temporal and spacial proximity. This is the “gem” of the Ketamine experience – the objective viewpoint one gets of their own ego and actions. It is as if one’s “eternal” self – that self which exists outside of linear time and 3-D space – is brought to the forefront of consciousness so it can look objectively down on the “solid” or “flesh” self. Facets of ego and personality begin to unravel into intricate cause and effect chains which shape who we are, how society functions, and how human beings interact within that society.

This process of objectively observing and intentionally altering personal behavior is called Metaprogramming – a term coined by John Lilly. Ketamine enables metaprogramming in individuals to a point where it seems like synaptic pathways are almost consciously being rerouted to acheive a desired reality shift. In the emergent state, one can literally “try on” new facets of personality, perception, and reality. For instance, you can invoke a new attitude for yourself, fit it into your old reality paradigm, judge possible outcomes and effects, then keep it or scrap it. You can project yourself into the future, into a new relationship, into a new career, or into a new life. This is not an abstract projection, it is as if it is actually happening! When you find a new reality, resolution, or answer that suits you, you can live it out and measure it against the reality you just came from. If you want to keep it, it’s yours upon reentry into the physical. How long it lasts is up to you.

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Has your jaw dropped yet? Well let me drop one more piece of knowledge on you: Ketamine can be used to induce an out-of-body experience with ease. If you’ve studied OOBE’s you’ll know why. When trying to induce an OOBE while sober, your intention is to dissociate yourself from your body and imagine sensations outside of your body. With K, this state is a given with the right dose.

Lastly, the negatives. Ketamine must either be snorted or injected. It can be ingested, but it’s not as effective. Shooting anything foreign directly into your brain isn’t that awesome for you obviously. However the feel just fine the next day. From my research, this is not even as bad for you than a few lines of cocaine, and SO much more rewarding.

So that’s Ketamine. Anyone have some K experiences they’d like to share?

March 30, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Martijn Schirp (112,779)A (@martijn) 8 years, 6 months ago ago

@jordan, What kind of ego revelations did you gain when on K?

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minxedup (170) (@minxed) 8 years, 6 months ago ago

I hope I’m not repeating something already mentioned, but I think all individuals wanting to try any kind of chemical should read as much about it as possible – like I usually did before taking lsd, shrooms, xtc, etc. Also, everyone’s body is different and because just about everything is illegal, you can’t guarantee that what you pay for is what you’ll get… I also believe its important to be in a healthy state of mind and body and in a place that you are comfortable in and have people you adore around you :)

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 8 years, 6 months ago ago

@martijn, Yeah, after my cousin told me it is the only addictive psychedelic drug I decided not to touch it. The experiences I have on mushrooms are so magnificent that if they were addictive, I feel like, in the wrong mindset, myself or someone could possibly get addicted and start doing it too much.

Psychedelics are meant to be taken occasionally, you can go insane taking that shit all the time. People really need to be in the right mental state and maturity when dealing with psychedelics. It can be quite tricky, just like life.

To me, psychedelics are like experiencing life in a condensed session. It can be uncomfortable and even scary but eventually you will find the light, enjoy the ride, and be thankful it all happened. It feels like an eternity and yet at the same time, it ends.

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Nature (67) (@stefan) 8 years, 6 months ago ago

I’ve done ketamine would say it is an interesting substance, but for me acid is way more ”profound” than ketamine. The feeling of ”oneness” with the universe, insane time dilation and what you said in the long phrase ”Ketmaine is good for personal anaalysis because…” were all much stronger and very intense for me on acid than ketamine.

The first time I took ketamine was with my friends, slowly taking tiny lines in order not to get smashed by a k-hole the first time. It was a very great, interesting feeling. I was so relaxed and could just sit and stare at anything for a full hour. Walking was extremely wierd and funny and a lot of the senses we’re diminished. Also, on ketamine I feel more ”unconciouss” than ”super conscious” like I feel on acid. Hours passed in a blink for me, quite the opposite of what you said haha. Maybe if i’d taken more time would ”stop”.
The second time I took it alone on the come down of acid, with an increased dosage than last time. It was amazing. I don’t know how to explain it, because it’s impossible :P Anyways I definetely felt the K effects much stronger this time and enjoyed it with the little acid trip I had left in me. I had an amazing ”personal evaluation” here and had some super Einstein thoughts and intelligence, which I forgot the next day.
After reading your thread I feel like experimenting with K again, with a higher dosage hah.

Anyways, K is not a dangerous drug (only potentially, but fast food are also potentially dangerous), just like a lot of others. It is up to you to take them in moderation and stay safe with drugs.
Jordan, can you please say a little about what you think of LSD? Just curious

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Nature (67) (@stefan) 8 years, 6 months ago ago

Thank you Martijn :)

”The General Sensation:

When you are tripping, you realize that life is like a play. Everyone else is still acting in this play, taking their characters very seriously. But you are backstage, watching it all play out with you mask off for once. Your beliefs, which you now realize are very human and tied to your subjective sense of self, have come off with that mask. You are now able to look at the world through an uber-objective lense. Without those ‘filters’, the innate truths of the world become very clear.”

I got the chills when I read this because of how true it is !

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Jordan Lejuwaan (23,437)A (@jordan) 8 years, 6 months ago ago

@martijn, I didn’t consider ego while on K. I feel very strongly that we are here in physical existence to experience individuality, in which the ego plays a strong role. So I accept my ego and do not wish to rid myself of it. On K it is obvious that we are all one, and that the ego is an illusion of this life, but it’s also obvious that we have one for a reason.

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Daniella (347) (@bombdiggity) 8 years, 6 months ago ago

I have had both all kinds of experiences with psychedelics. The last couple have been spiritual. It’s crazy how against them I used to be until I opened my mind and researched them. I don’t think there’s a way to be egotistic while tripping on anything. Every time I do it I get that “we are all one huge organism” feeling. They way you discover everything in a new way like you are going back to being a child. Ahhh :) Sorry guys just wanted to express my love for psychedelics :) Anyway, thanks for the info Jordan!

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Nightowl (260) (@nightowl) 8 years, 6 months ago ago

@eric yeah sure, what I can manage.

My experience with MXE was under the impression it was ketamine. I was unaware it’s considered addictive until I just now read it in this thread, or I may have been more averse to the experience. I’m glad I didn’t, then, especially since it’s not known well yet if MXE is addictive or not.

It might just be my complete lack of addictive tendencies, but I couldn’t imagine that experience being addictive in the literal sense, although it was quite an experience… positive, yet intimidating.

I had a small line during the day one day of Moogfest this last year. I’ve never inhaled anything up my nose before, nor since, but it wasn’t bad at all. There is ‘the drip’ though which is weird.
It wasn’t long before I began feeling very light… physically, mentally. This was the constant throughout the experience. It’s not very easy to describe, nor like the general lucid clarity one might expect I mean. It’s definitely a different state of consciousness. The flow of things, or rather the exchange of information as I saw it, moves very fluidly and this was particularly evident in the state.

Most of my experience will be unrelated since it was at a music festival, but throughout everything there was this highly informational nature of everything. Even the dissonances of this harsh world that seem to imply separation between everyone was apparent to me as feelings of very diverse yet profound interactions of love. The informational nature of happenings were complex stories about all that love is capable of being. This was strung together as serene moments of deep flowing clarity in moving meditation throughout an amazing evening at Asheville’s wonderful music fest.

At one point, I saw how my feelings of ease nearby police officers acted as a force of reality that divided my reality and his. In a certain way, I was above a level of reality that he could touch while being on the same ‘physical’ plane. This was obvious because of how simple it is, and how always true it is – simply a result of my mind and the way my thoughts and their manifestations in me radiate out into existence and bounce back as like energies. A smile at the officer very well put me in a different level in his mind and was returned.

It started to notably pan out sometime after an hour and a half, and I was enjoying it, so I sniffed a small pile off the tip of a knife. Several of the folks that came and went amongst our group did this, and the people familiar with K knew this was something else by the result of their normal dosing. This small extra bit really sent me over the edge. If MXE has something alike a K hole, I was spinning right on the rim of it. There was a rather long bit sitting in and around my vehicle with my ladyfriend [trying 2ce at the time] where I saw nothing but loveformation everwhere I looked and in everything I felt and all my senses feeling the different levels of vibrations all began to blur together. I felt empty space everywhere pervading everything, and this intangible pulse of data everywhere that made up a single undivided existence that moves out from My center.

Although experiencing those things are fairly common to see in different ways with other psychedelics, it was a very different matter with MXE. It was very data-like, with a very clear but subtle joy to it that didn’t seem to far-remove my regular mentalisms while having this knowing and state of lucid and clean consciousness observing them.

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@nightowl, Amazing story! Sounds like a mushroom trip doesn’t even touch a Ketamine or MXE one. Also, I just wiki’d MXE and apparently it is a derivative from K and a chemical was added to make it even stronger…wow.

Oh and next time use the “reply” button on the side, it allows me to be notified :)

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Nightowl (260) (@nightowl) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@eric, I wouldn’t say a mushroom trip has nothing on Ketamine or MXE. With MXE and I presume with K, the experiences were data-like and the environment not far removed from experiencing reality as we know it otherwise. With mushrooms, the experiences are emotion-like and profoundly vibrant. Also, mushrooms are capable of inducing DMT-like otherworldly experiences. Psilocybin and psilocin are DMT molecules after all. The naturalness of the eon-refined mushroom vibration can’t be matched by any manmade chemical either.

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Kevin (12) (@mongie52) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

The first time i did K, I felt a loss of censorship in my mind.. it was as if i was in life’s garden and i didn’t have a care in the world. I definitely can relate to the “can’t feel your feet touch the ground.. floating” thing, because that was probably the most profound thing i can remember.. It felt like walking on a cloud. It was a pretty small amount so I didn’t have an OOBE, but it was definitely fun to experiment with..

The second and last time i ever tried K, I had just got back to the lodge from snowboarding. I had broken or sprained my arm and I was drinking a decent amount for my size to help coincide with the pain. The last thing i remember was bumping a fairly similar line to my first experience (and of the same exact batch) and i went straight into a K hole. I can’t say i had a negative experience, because i woke up an hour or 2 later and continued to drink and felt completely fine. Felt completely fine the next day as well(except for the pain in my arm).

I probably should have done more research on it, but I’d say it’s not a good idea to mix alcohol with K or else you’ll probably end up in a hole and not remember much. Not saying i’m sure you would remember anything without it anyways. But those are my experiences.

I’m kind of curious to try it again and even out the dosage to a controllable level yet enough to push my further than my first experience.

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Anonymous (31) (@) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

Everyone read this interview with a ketamine chemist, it’s really interesting.
http://www.vice.com/read/interview-with-ketamine-chemist-704-v18n2

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Kevin (12) (@mongie52) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

^ that is an awesome story.

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Elvis Mnamda (0) (@jilz) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

@jordan, Can you point me in the direction of a reliable supplier for MXE? Methoxetamine sounds like it would be an invaluable substance for an aspiring yogi to try.

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Jordan Lejuwaan (23,437)A (@jordan) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

@jilz, I haven’t found one for the US yet. Let me know if you find one!

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DaJetPlane (994)M (@lytning91) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

@jordan, I’m just recently going into the world of induction, so K sounds like a world away. I will read, as I have and do, but I mean like WHOA at all of the material in your OP and the people who can relate.

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Alexiel (5) (@mazquerade) 7 years, 1 month ago ago

@jordan, It’s a very odd one.. I once was at a party and had a fair bit of K, was standing at the back of the crowd in front of the soundsystem looking at all my friends and just generally observing the situation, and I felt like I could almost see (not literally see, but very strongly sense) the timeline that is my life – the current situation, and then a load of situations behind it, and it was like I was standing on the edge of it and I was able to control which situation I was existing in. Just like I could time travel. The situations ahead of the one I was already in were more blurry however, I couldn’t really put much thought into it as it was really hazy but I definitely had a really strong sense of knowledge that I could decide where I was, when I was and what I was doing. I remember thinking “i don’t want to be here anymore! might go back to yesterday afternoon”.

This only lasted for what felt like about 10 seconds though (fuck knows how long it actually was) and then I was snapped straight out of it.
I’ve had some very odd K experiences – although I’ve never been in a K-hole, I have been contact juggling before and literally lost sight and touch of the ball, thinking I was trying to manipulate a ball of compressed air or water. I’ve forgotten who I am, where I am, completely lost touch of what speed the music I’m listening to is at… it’s a weird drug and one I think that should only be done occasionally, as lots of people I know have become hooked on it quite quickly.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 1 month ago ago

i have had the opportunity to experience good sedation K and good psychedelic K. regardless it vanquishes anxiety in one breathe of not so fresh air. sedation K feels like gravity is pushing me so hard into the earth that my leg’s would be off balanced and would wobble around. psychedelic K feels like the perfect amount of ground suction. sedation usually brought me into a goofy state.. chemicalzero fucks not given. psychedelic K i could hold my shit together and felt like it allowed my soul to flail in any direction it wanted and allowed me to unlock new patterns in dance. sedation K is very introspective when you are alone. i controlled a K hole and have explored realm’s in which i was newly experiencing (outer~body kind of deal.), i got up from laying down with my eyes closed went to the bathroom looked in the mirror and looked straight into my eye’s and let them sink into their selve’s, i then eventually came out of the trance and focused on my self and saw a being in full ape form which would be myself.

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dennyglo (1) (@dennyglo91) 7 years, 1 month ago ago

The first time I took a psychedelic besides canabis, it was ketamine. I snorted it and was a very strong experience but good. The other three times I took it, they were not as profound, but in respects to the substances effects, I have heard of many novel experiences people have had with being on it. After the four times of trying it, which were all within about a month, I haven’t tried it and wasn’t sure if i ever wanted to again. It seems a little more risky than your triptomines, and if I do decide to take on a strong psychedelic experience, it’s with one of those. (Most recently, lsa)

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levon (91) (@levon) 7 years, 1 month ago ago

First time I had K I was just having a bump an hour… Definitely felt detached from my body. I couldn’t feel myself walking around.
I ended up going skimboarding on it and had a really fun time. It was like someone was skimboarding for me haha!
Love this thread!

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Anonymous (9) (@) 7 years, 1 month ago ago

Never heard of anyone intentionally putting themselves in a ket hole and only ever heard bad experiences of people being in them, I was in one and the only way to describe it was that when I looked around the room it wasn’t a smooth visual it was like a shutter effect with lots of pictures being taken, no concept of time and just sunk into a couch. Had to shut one eye to stop myself being sick and help myself focus. Another time I had taken it and literally couldn’t feel anything except a circle patch on my face but I had taken a pill as well and was coming up hard. The ket we got was in crystals and needed to be crushed and we just snort it with a key. The only thing I would change would be not to take it out at a rave and pick a group of people to do it indoors with, definitely wouldn’t do it to often though. I’ve done it a few times and don’t think it is addictive not touched the stuff in probably 4 years now, never heard of anyone refer to any spiritual experiences on it, was always a party drug for us mixed wiith something else and a lot of alcohol so maybe thats why there wasn’t anything spiritual. I’ve done psychedelics and it was a different experience to ket.

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t-rav (25) (@travis) 6 years, 8 months ago ago

I had tried K once a few months back when I showed up at a small party and my friend started giving me bumps. I was already drunk when I got there so a lot of the experience was hard to remember the next day and didn’t leave any meaningful thoughts except a very confusing k-hole and projectile vomiting but I remember that I definitely wanted to do this drug again.

Recently the same friend called me and said we could do it sober with just us and his girlfriend. I arrived and we did a couple lines to start out with. About 5 to 10 minutes (I think) after, I started to feel very disoriented and numb all over, we then took another line and I was not able to talk or move without great effort and started to get some anxiety. I had to meet with a professor the next day and didn’t want to be too tired, I was afraid I had been up for hours already (but it had been minutes), I was afraid someone would call and I might answer and I’d get in trouble or something(didn’t make much sense, but I turned my phone off anyway). My friend looked at me and smiled and it made me realize that I was just panicking, relief washed over me, I sunk into the couch I was on.

After falling into the couch I was having some of the “clearest thoughts” I have ever had, the mental flow was so amazing that I wanted to share everything that I was thinking but when I tried I could not manage to talk right so I just stopped trying. I started to experience what you’re post says about imaging future events, I envisioned my current last semester of school, where it could go, how I could conduct myself, and what each choice would bring. All of this was in surreal beautiful clarity and astounded me. My friend then convinced me to take another line.

It felt almost instantaneous that I got put into the next level. I left my body and drifted through the ceiling, away from the earth, outside our solar system, outside the galaxy, until I saw the whole universe. Then all became a black void. It made me have feelings that the universe/consciousness is completely indifferent to what us humans do but made it completely obvious that our actions are all connected and that there is a definite direction the human race should be striving toward. Then a setting I can’t quite describe appeared, it was if I was experiencing dozens of human interactions in a odd earth made of translucent materials and could see that human ego needs to be talked about more so that everyone can make a brighter future more in line with positive human growth/survival. All the sudden I realized I was still sitting on the couch still and was able to sit up.

I felt very sedated and thirsty so I got up to drink water. After a glass I could tell I was going to throw up so I went to the bathroom and did so three times. I then drank more water and sat down in awe to my experience. My friend then wanted me to do another line but I declined because I wanted to mull over all that had happened. I have no idea how long the experience was because I didn’t think to check the time after but it was much much shorter then it felt. I was up for about an hour after drinking water and trying to recall as much as I could before I laid down and went to sleep.

The next day I felt mostly fine, just a little low energy. It was an experience I will be thinking of regularly for a long time and think it has altered what my behavior will be for the next few months for the better. I could definitely see some people getting freaked out from many parts of it; I was viewing everything in half second frames at one point and other points when I was completely in my head and realized it couldn’t move but I knew it would wear off so I didn’t freak out. Overall it was one of the best drug experiences of my life, I enjoyed every second of it except the initial anxiety. Shrooms and ketamine are tied for #1 (led 3rd) but it’s hard to compare because I’ve had so much less experience with K.

I would suggest trying this to anyone who has psychedelic experience. I’ve never had a “bad trip” on anything but this was by far the most challenging to control and might have been very uncomfortable if I didn’t have the “this is a temporary drug” thought from other drugs. Have fun!

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t-rav (25) (@travis) 6 years, 8 months ago ago

I had tried K once a few months back when I showed up at a small party and my friend started giving me bumps. I was already drunk when I got there so a lot of the experience was hard to remember the next day and didn’t leave any meaningful thoughts except a very confusing k-hole and projectile vomiting but I remember that I definitely wanted to do this drug again.

Recently the same friend called me and said we could do it sober with just us and his girlfriend. I arrived and we did a couple lines to start out with. About 5 to 10 minutes (I think) after, I started to feel very disoriented and numb all over, we then took another line and I was not able to talk or move without great effort and started to get some anxiety. I had to meet with a professor the next day and didn’t want to be too tired, I was afraid I had been up for hours already (but it had been minutes), I was afraid someone would call and I might answer and I’d get in trouble or something(didn’t make much sense, but I turned my phone off anyway). My friend looked at me and smiled and it made me realize that I was just panicking, relief washed over me, I sunk into the couch I was on.

After falling into the couch I was having some of the “clearest thoughts” I have ever had, the mental flow was so amazing that I wanted to share everything that I was thinking but when I tried I could not manage to talk right so I just stopped trying. I started to experience what you’re post says about imaging future events, I envisioned my current last semester of school, where it could go, how I could conduct myself, and what each choice would bring. All of this was in surreal beautiful clarity and astounded me. My friend then convinced me to take another line.

It felt almost instantaneous that I got put into the next level. I left my body and drifted through the ceiling, away from the earth, outside our solar system, outside the galaxy, until I saw the whole universe. Then all became a black void. It made me have feelings that the universe/consciousness is completely indifferent to what us humans do but made it completely obvious that our actions are all connected and that there is a definite direction the human race should be striving toward. Then a setting I can’t quite describe appeared, it was if I was experiencing dozens of human interactions in a odd earth made of translucent materials and could see that human ego needs to be talked about more so that everyone can make a brighter future more in line with positive human growth/survival. All the sudden I realized I was still sitting on the couch still and was able to sit up.

I felt very sedated and thirsty so I got up to drink water. After a glass I could tell I was going to throw up so I went to the bathroom and did so three times. I then drank more water and sat down in awe to my experience. My friend then wanted me to do another line but I declined because I wanted to mull over all that had happened. I have no idea how long the experience was because I didn’t think to check the time after but it was much much shorter then it felt. I was up for about an hour after drinking water and trying to recall as much as I could before I laid down and went to sleep.

The next day I felt mostly fine, just a little low energy. It was an experience I will be thinking of regularly for a long time and think it has altered what my behavior will be for the next few months for the better. I could definitely see some people getting freaked out from many parts of it; I was viewing everything in half second frames at one point and other points when I was completely in my head and realized it couldn’t move but I knew it would wear off so I didn’t freak out. Overall it was one of the best drug experiences of my life, I enjoyed every second of it except the initial anxiety. Shrooms and ketamine are tied for #1 (with acid in 2nd) but it’s hard to compare because I’ve had so much less experience with K.

I would suggest trying this to anyone who has psychedelic experience. I’ve never had a “bad trip” on anything but this was by far the most challenging to control and might have been very uncomfortable if I didn’t have the “this is a temporary drug” thought from other drugs. Have fun psychonauts.

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t-rav (25) (@travis) 6 years, 8 months ago ago

I don’t know why it didn’t format right. This was broken in smaller paragraphs.

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