Knowing people that don't exist.

Psyke (@Psyke) 9 years ago

I’ve been dreaming of two men for as long as I can remember. One a teacher to me and one a lover. I’ve been dreaming of them for years. One is named Lyre. He is a teacher to me. He tells me what I need to know and what I need to do. If I do not listen to him, things go to shit. I feel like I’m going insane talking to him. We meet inside my head at random times. In the middle of a forest. The weather in the forest changes depending on my mood, the time of day is the same as outside my head, but I have no control over what Lyre says or does. The other man is a mystery. He has no name and no reason. When we meet in my dreams its to dance or dine or have sex. I have never seen either of these two guys in my life outside of my dreams or visions. But they are always the same and always come back. Has anyone else experienced this? I think I might be crazy.

July 24, 2013 at 12:35 am
evolve (144) (@evolve) 9 years ago ago

@Psyke, Find a hypnotist on Yelp.com

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Psyke (9) (@Psyke) 9 years ago ago

@evolve, Why a hypnotist?

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evolve (144) (@evolve) 9 years ago ago

@Psyke, they’d be able to decipher your dream and such.

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Shah (5) (@snshah) 9 years ago ago

@Psyke, I’ve heard that recurring dreams have a purpose, perhaps a meaning. Your dreams don’t sound like they’re recurring. The people in your dream might be ones you see over and over again. But the situations, the time and how you interact with them differ. Maybe they’re just a guidance. Especially the teacher guy. If you claim that not heeding his words usually lands you in trouble, then I reckon you have a guide in him. Which, if you care to assign a word to it, is lucky.

i don’t know what more to say.

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Jesusbob (34) (@jesusbob) 9 years ago ago

@Psyke, I have no idea what this would be called, nor have I experienced anything even close to this but I am very intrigued as I am one who (almost) never dreams and to have such regular visitors -for lack of a better word- to your dream world is fascinating.

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Elkra (473) (@elkra) 9 years ago ago

really interesting.

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Anonymous (328) (@) 9 years ago ago

@Psyke, That’s pretty awesome if you ask me. As long as they don’t give unhealthy/negative advice, I guess.

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Maya (15) (@prethoughts) 9 years ago ago

@Psyke, Seems to me something like the Wizard of Oz lol. Like each person represents a piece of your personality or some one that you’re close to or someone that you wish you had in your life. Say you have a mentor that gives you advice, or you lack a mentor & wish you had someone to give you advice, so you dream up this figure as such.

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Psyke (9) (@Psyke) 9 years ago ago

@prethoughts, That could be it. The person who’s name is Lyre though is literally nothing like me and both of them have their own distinct personalities. You may very well be on to something though…

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VIII (34) (@triplemind) 9 years ago ago

@Psyke, you wouldn’t be able to recognize these guys if you saw them would you? i mean, you obviously have amazing remembering abilities. could you like have a police sketch artist (for example) draw their faces?

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Bryan (104) (@Substratum) 9 years ago ago

@Psyke, This really is interesting…if only because it so mysterious and unusual…even what are typically called “recurring dreams” don’t continue for “as long as I can remember”…whatever that means!…approximately how many years can you remember that you’ve had the same characters in your dreams?
There is a notable lack of detailed information in your telling of this story. Can you give an example of something that “has gone to shit” when you didn’t listen to Lyre? What are examples of “things you need to know or do”? I wonder if Lyre is performing a function for you…if there is some kind of obstacle preventing you from “listening to” yourself…does he tell you about things you need to know and do as a part of daily living…like paying bills and buying food…making an important phone call or appointment, etc?
How long do these dreams last? Are you fully asleep or are they lucid dreams? What do you mean by dreams OR VISIONS? Are they hallucinations?
Have you ever been evaluated by a psychiatrist? As cool and enviable as this sounded to me initially…now it seems much more intense, complex, and not something to be taken lightly…or ignored…It could possibly involve mental illness or a sleep disorder…I would strongly encourage you to seek an evaluation by a medical specialist…a psychiatrist or possibly a medical clinic for sleep disorders. Don’t be afraid or bothered by the idea of “going crazy”…and don’t be complacent about it just because it’s been going on so long…there could be a specific medical cause …such as sleep apnea…or narcolepsy…very treatable…but potentially dangerous to your health if left untreated…please make sure you get medically evaluated very soon!

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 9 years ago ago

People in your dreams are people you have seen in real life. Your dreams can’t just fabricate faces out of nowhere.

So they’re probably just random dudes you saw in a crowd somewhere once a long time ago, and their characters in your dreams have nothing to do with the actual people whose looks they possess.

That’s how dreams work.

Yeah you’re crazy. Everyone is. Don’t hate, enjoy. Deal with it.

I don’t see how this phenomenon of yours is a problem. You don’t like them?

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cosmicloner (31) (@cosmicloner) 9 years ago ago

@Psyke, I’ve actually experienced the same thing myself!
It started about a year ago. I had an unusual dream…At least it ‘felt’ unusual. It was very lucid and a woman came into the picture. She had long straight black hair, pale skin, big bright blue eyes, and a black dress…the kind a stoner would wear.
She and I were having fun, running around some futuristic-ish mansion and we came to a bedroom with a big bed that was waaay too tall.
We got to the door. There was another chick on the bed waiting for us. I was looking at her and the dark haired girl pulled me toward her. She reached up to me as if for a kiss and bit down on my lower lip, pulling gently.
This really set me off. The rest of the dream is a blurr now but…I was stricken with that emotion all throughout the next day when I woke up.
I meditated and sought out who this person was. She was no one I had ever met or seen…at least that I can recall.
One name came to me above all else. It just felt right. Like I instinctively knew it.
It was Julia.
Ever since then, she comes and goes in my dreams and every day thoughts.
I’ll stare off into space or when I meditate, I always end up in the same place where she meets me. Usually on a big grassy meadow under an enormous tree, like a redwood.
Same place, same Julia, every time.
I really enjoy it. I only hate the fact that she isn’t in the physical realm. Because she is everything I’ve ever wanted in a partner. Kinda sad, really.

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Ellie (1,363)M (@tangledupinplaid21) 9 years ago ago

That actually sounds kinda cool.

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Psyke (9) (@Psyke) 9 years ago ago

@Substratum, When I say as long as I can remember I mean I don’t have a specific idea of when they started. I had glimpses of them as a child but they didn’t become this vivid until I was 12 (I’m currently 17) And when I say visions, I could be outside working in my garden and talking to someone and then suddenly I space out and I’m in a forest area with Lyre. It happens very randomly but repeatedly.
As for the situations, it could be something very little to something extremely important. There was one time, I was in the car with a friend and I zoned out and was with Lyre in a tree. He was listening to an ipod and he looked at me and said “you know what’s a good song. Butterfly by Jason Mraz” and then I came back and my friend was snapping in my face. I looked at him and said “have you ever heard butterfly by Jason Mraz?” And then the song came on the radio. For more sever issue, there this time I was late for a school charity event and I was giving my mother directions and we where going down a busy highway in the early evening on St. Patricks day. I spaced out and Lyre was in the back seat. He leaned forward and said “I hate st. patricks day. There is a very drunk man coming up behind you at 80 mph. Move two lanes left and he won’t hit you” So when I came back, I told my mother move two lanes left. And sure enough a car in the lane we were previously in gets rear ended by some guy flying down the road. Things like this happens regularly. They could be as small as the radio thing or as large as the traffic incident. I’ve been too scared to tell anyone about this, let alone see a psychiatrist. But I get plenty of sleep and am quite healthy. I have no idea why this happens or who Lyre is but its quite frequent and its still going on to this day.

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Psyke (9) (@Psyke) 9 years ago ago

@triplemind, Yes, if I saw them I could verify them easily. I’ve seen them for most of my life. I could easily describe them to a sketch artist.

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Psyke (9) (@Psyke) 9 years ago ago

@manimal I don’t hate these people, especially Lyre. But I have no control over anything that happens and people start getting scared when I just know things out of the blue and I can’t tell them its because somebody in my head tells me. And as for the second guy I can’t tell you much about but he usually appears in dreams taking place in ancient or medieval times. I think he is someone from a past life I am destined to meet one day. But like I said its bizarre and uncontrollable. I’m worried it might get me into trouble one day

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 9 years ago ago

@manimal, You don’t know what the brain is capable of.

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rhythy (0) (@rhythmman) 9 years ago ago

@Psyke Personally I believe everything that absolutely exists, EVERYTHING. If one thing doesn’t exist in the world you’re living it might just exist on another, you know what I mean? For example, you know God exists and you can feel him but you can’t sense or see him can you? None of your five senses can detect him but you know he’s there. Similar to angels and ethereal beings, you can’t sense them but you know they’re there, they are just in another plane. So if any of those men exist only in your dreams that means they do exist, only visible to you on the other side. Then again, that’s how I think :)

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Bryan (104) (@Substratum) 9 years ago ago

@Psyke, Thanks for the clarifications…interesting and still a mystery…but at least I no longer feel that your well-being is at risk. Happy to know you get plenty of sleep and are in good health. It narrows down the possible explanations. Correct me if I’m wrong, it seems this is less about dreaming at night, and mostly happening when you’re awake, and you experience a shift from normal waking consciousness into some sort of trance…sometimes you shift to “the forest” and Lyre is there, but other times, such as in the car, Lyre shows up in “your” world…is that right?
You said “I have no control over what Lyre says or does”…that suggests some kind of “dissociative” state, not at all like day dreaming where you can self-direct what happens by willingly using your imagination. The same applies to what you said about the weather in the forest changing according to your emotions…you have no control over it. I’m just looking for some useful distinctions …it seems clear that this is not about imaginary day dreams and also not about typical dreaming …and in spite of what you said I think you already know this: You are NOT crazy. A lot of people having such an unusual experience would freak over it,You seem to me to be very rational, intelligent and notably calm and balanced as you attempt to understand what this is about.I strongly encourage you to stay that way…don’t let anyone, not even your own imagination, influence your thinking in the direction of “ghost stories”…you said “I’ve been to scared to tell anyone about this…”…depending on who you might have told, that may be a good thing…/// What did you mean by “I feel like I’m going insane talking to him” ? Are you at all “aware” as you speak to him that he is not real? Do you talk to him out loud? In the presence of other people? Can I assume that it only happens when you are engaged in some passive activity such as gardening or riding passenger in a car…there is a term “daytime parahypnagogia” you might want to search and see if it applies to your experience..seems the science on the subject is mostly speculative…..I also read some speculation about the “theta state” (brain waves) which might trigger release of DMT from the pineal gland…but from what I’ve read about DMT I think it would cause a more bizarre experience…of course , I don’t know …I’m just speculating on the speculations I read about…

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 9 years ago ago

@spaceghost, You don’t know that. Aren’t you forgetting something?


@Psyke
, I didn’t mean hate like that, it was used very loosely.

Knowing things “out of the blue” is common, and it’s an illusion, because the truth is that you learned those things before while not paying attention and forgot them. Everything indicates that everything we percieve and experience is stored in our memory, things that are forgotten are not erased from your brain but kept in your subconscious.
People rarely use more than 10% of their brain power, and a memory doesn’t take much of that.

In near death experiences people often remember things that they had completely forgotten. We often relive old memories in our dreams too. And flashbacks often bring back memories which we didn’t know we had.
Traumatized people often suffer from amnesia, they have no idea about their past, but they still know a bunch of stuff and they get these flashbacks and stuff. And when they get close to death, they remember a lot.

There’s a pretty good movie called Limitless, it’s about this guy who gets his hands on a drug which makes his brain a lot more efficient, making him super smart and attentive and makes him remember a bunch of stuff. That’s what it’s like.

As for dream entities, they’re manufactured by our imagination. Angels, demons, spirit animals, etc. All made up.
Why? Because our minds are specialized in simplifying things and labelling them to make them easier to understand. Give something a face and it’s easier to communicate and deal with it. It’s a good thing, but the form is not the true thing.

It’s like the start menu or dashboard icon on your computer. Just a simple little icon, which opens a window or context menu where you can access most of the software… well, that’s what you see, but that’s not what’s really going on. What’s really happening is this huge amount of code being called and operating various functions, and looking even further this is just another layer of simplification, translating physical processes in the components of your computer, driven by electricity and developed over several decades, built in very complex ways from various manufactured materials.

But all you see is a button, and you simply click it. Simple on the surface, very easy to understand, but below the surface a whole lot of more complex stuff is going on. The button is only there to simplify it. The programs and apps are only there to simplify it. The whole screen is just there to simplify it, so is the mouse.

They’re only there to let you easily operate the software, which is only there to let you operate the code, which is only there to let you operate the hardware, which is only there to let you operate the processes.

“It is like a finger, pointing away to the moon. DON’T concentrate on the finger, or you will miss all of that heavenly glory.” -Jun Fan

Recently, there was this very interesting social experiment, where some guys made up stories abuout this mysterious guru called “Diamond” who visited people in their dreams, then they sneakily spread the story on the internet in a way that’s nearly undetectable to most people.
Over the last two years, various people all over the world have mentioned having dreams about “Diamond,” and the dream was roughly the same for all of them. On this site alone, a bunch of people have made threads about these dreams.

A lot of people thought it was just another chain letter or something like that, but the people who wrote the reports had no connection to each other, and they all seemed fully convinced.

It was just a few months ago that the truth was revealed, the people behind the experiment came clean.
It’s interesting, these visions were so real to the people who experienced it, they were so convinced.

Just goes to show how good your mind is at making stuff up and convincing itself that it’s real, and covering up its own tracks to trick itself.

What does this tell us about angels, demons, spirit guides, dream visitors, Jesus, etc?

It’s all in our head, it’s your own subconscious creation.

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 9 years ago ago

@manimal, Did I forget to refer you as an alien?

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