Knowing vs Living

 Anonymous (@)4 years, 2 months ago

What’s the difference, and/or relevance between knowing something philosophical-style,
and actually living a new truth?

March 23, 2015 at 8:38 am
sian (109) (@siantastic) 4 years, 2 months ago ago

Well if you know it but choose not to live it, for me, it presents a daily nagging feeling of discontent and discomfort. My greater knowing comes from within, and really nowhere else can provide it. One has to become someone comfortable within the discomfort however, as within the worlds current rules and constructs, it can be hard to exercise all you know at all times. Moments of forgetfulness need to be forgiven to not continue backwards in the journey of knowing, as self criticism, whilst giving opportunity for new growth, can do nothing but stunt it at times.

The relevance is that if we all chose to listen to what we actually undoubtedly know, then listening would become much easier for the whole in general. I think this is what keeps me going a lot of the time. That if I continue to strive for daily action in what is known then perhaps others will find it easier. Perhaps, who knows though. Hmmmm I hope I answered your question.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 4 years, 2 months ago ago

yesyes, you did. nice post thanks!

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Anonymous (328) (@) 4 years, 2 months ago ago

The marketing fodder is if you are “living the truth”, somehow all the good things happen. No. You will see and experience all the wrong things that will shatter what you thought about this oh so special marble with a billion chomping dentures.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 4 years, 2 months ago ago

What’s the difference between knowing your alive, and actually living? Do you see how RELEVANT that is! o.o

To know would be to accept something as true or valid, but incorporating it into your daily being to the point where it stops being ‘just another thought or idea’ is living it.

My friend recently blew my mind, left me in awe, because of how accurate and spot on she was with what she said. Someone was having trouble with life and its daily challenges, and wanted to know how to overcome them. My friend went into this rant over how muscles become stronger by resisting the force exerted on them, and something about gravity. It was a little annoying how long she was dragging it out, but what she said at the end of it – “You can resist things as much as you want, but the more resist an aspect of your life, the more you strengthen it. Through non-resistance, you weaken and neutralize your life’s problems.” – mind blown.

If you have a problem and someone spits some helpful philosophical advice at you, knowing how valid their advice is won’t make your problems go away. You have to apply it, you have to live it.

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 4 years, 2 months ago ago

I think this all depends what it is we are resisting.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 4 years, 2 months ago ago

Heh, true :) Resisting can help resolve problems (e.g. resisting going back to sleep to stay up and write down dreams XD), but in general, resisting problems altogether isn’t wise.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 4 years, 2 months ago ago

Thanks guys, your arguments make allot of sense to me, but why is it that so many people seem to get stuck on an idea?
Why is it that so many stop at an intellectual concept, and not immediately take it to the core of their being, and live it?

Manny people seem to “know” something new, and than continue the hunt for more concepts without changing their ways.
So they keep on piling up concepts, thinking they “know” so much, and project their changed ways in to the future. (Or not at all)
Why is that? It’s such a shame would you not agree?

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sian (109) (@siantastic) 4 years, 2 months ago ago

Fear. And as @monkeyzazu mentioned, resistance. Fear of resistance. I guess everyone wants the easy way out. Coming across a life changing idea and concept is just sometimes too much, especially when it goes against everything we thought we knew about ourselves and life. So we continue searching in hope of something that won’t take so much effort, and won’t face such a massive amount of resistance. It doesn’t work though, you have to face and accept the opposition. And sometimes the opposition comes solely from within. And it is a massive shame, fucking huge.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 4 years, 2 months ago ago

the individual must “know” fear before all else…

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sian (109) (@siantastic) 4 years, 2 months ago ago

Absolutely. The problem being it doesn’t always come first.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 4 years, 2 months ago ago

Mm, I agree. Adding on to what Sian said, I’d also say fear of unwanted change stops people from living out internal truths. Knowing, or believing to know that the changes that come about from living those truths will be unsavory, they just keep them in thought.

This is bad, and not bad… Everything’s relative to circumstance I guess. Being conscious of outcomes is a good thing in my book, but I guess the question is to what extent are you willing to live out deep philosophical truths? At what cost? Kinda reminds me of Socrates – “The unexamined life is not worth living.” – i.e. choosing death over not being able to question life and living out his truths.

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Anonymous (2) (@) 4 years, 2 months ago ago

Because they don’t know it, they only heard it. If they stopped hearing other truths and felt the one inside them they wouldn’t have to fixate on the idea.

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Crazy Bag Lady (1) (@CrazyBagLady) 4 years, 2 months ago ago

I really like this question but have nothing to compare it to in terms of philosophy, I’ve never read anything on the subject nor had someone speak it to me. So I dunno I just do my thing

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Ellie (1,360)M (@tangledupinplaid21) 4 years, 1 month ago ago

Knowing something philosophical-style is safe. It doesn’t take any actual action or experience to have an idea or opinion. Adopting opinions is simple, hiding behind ideas is easy. Actually attempting to live a new truth takes some bravery and trial and error, and patience, and a lot of honesty with yourself.

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JustinDanger (41) (@JustinDanger) 4 years, 1 month ago ago

You can see the difference in their face and hear it in their voice.

If you live something you carry it everywhere.

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Manimal (2,997) (@manimal) 4 years, 1 month ago ago

The axiom. I see and so I know, then I think and I forget, but I DO and thus I remember.

Practice is knowledge, understanding is just theory.

There are many people who preach. Sometimes they’re right about a few things, but it’s merely a case of lucky guesswork. You can see, by the way their actions and situations are not aligned with what they say, that they really have no idea.

One who lives his truth is in the end wiser than any intellectual or spiritual theorist.

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