"Lightworkers", a message for you.

 Q (@Qualohuasca)7 years, 6 months ago

I am merely the messenger, but after witnessing a friend go from harmlessly delusional to downright hostile all in the name of (“the one and only!”, as always) Truth, I think everyone considering themselves a Lightworker has to see this for themselves.

Why I Am No Longer a Light Worker

TL;DR – The duality of light/dark is false, channels and “ascended masters” are deceiving everyone just as badly as the “dark side” is etc etc. You really need to read this if you’re into that kind of stuff, even (and especially if) you don’t agree with the premise.

{Personally I find this sort of… New (c)Age-y viewpoint to things a tad in bad taste, but I also accept that the world is full of different perspectives and try my best to respect that. Also, I almost went into the trap of submitting myself to the rule of imaginary (or whatever) angels and such, after still reeling from psychedelic shock and perceived “demon-attacks”. Oh, such havocs one can wreak on their own mind…}

Anyway, I made a new topic for this, and hopefully that’s okay. I just felt that the perspective is not put out much. No one is willingly running around declaring themselves as an agent of the Dark Side (hopefully), so it’s sort of weird that the same thing is not so with Lightworkers. The same sort of people also tend to (okay, I’m overgeneralizing a bit) talk about “the coming Golden Age” or “Ascension” or “vibrational yadda-yadda” without actually contributing to it themselves – and by this I mean researching and improving upon the scientific methods and tools that work toward abolishing hunger, war and such things. Say what you will, I still think that the real solutions are concrete and tangible, not transcendent, celestial and so on. Meditation will only benefit the one doing the meditation – except in the sense that other people will benefit from that persons (possibly) newfound sense of inner peace. It won’t “harmonize the crystalline grid of unconditional love in order to heal the Earth and it’s denizens” or something like that, a (generalized) phrase I unfortunately keep hearing among those interested in the esoteric. Please prove me wrong.

I didn’t *bother* checking if this forum even holds topics for this kind of stuff, but I’m fairly sure that any board concerning spirituality, the metaphysical and the like will have at least a few dozen “lightworkers” on it. So, yeah. Hopefully this sheds some… light… to somebody.

November 26, 2013 at 1:47 pm
i4c1m2b (70) (@i4CiM2B) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

@qualohuasca, you seem like a reasonable person, so I just thought of a few points for you to consider. I don’t know what happened to your friend, but I did read the linked article and did some additional research. Personally , I don’t like labels. Most of the time they don’t fit. People who have a difficult time with fundamental Christians, will often make the assumption that they represent the beliefs, dogma, and doctrines of all Christians. They don’t, not by a long shot. In the same way, “Light workers”, Do not represent the New Age Movement.

I have explored Metaphysical ideas for quite a while now an I can assure you , this persons experience is limited to a very small understanding of the whole picture especially with regards to channeled information. He claims that there are hundreds of channelers all with the same message. That is an extreme exaggeration. He might be correct about the one’s he’s been exposed to, I can’t say. At the end of his article, he does recognize what he calls the “legitimate” Channelers. There may be 5 or 6 of those, and they are nothing like the ones he describes. I know of only one that gives a clear and concise, detailed explanation for the Nature of Reality, And one who’s focus is on the Law of Attraction. What follows is a brief description of what the “New Agers” are about.

The New age movement is difficult to define because “there is no hierarchy, dogma, doctrine, collection plate, or membership.” It is a collection, an assortment of different theologies with the common threads of toleration and divergence. Its central precepts have been described as “drawing on both Eastern and Western spiritual and metaphysical traditions and infusing them with influences from self-help and motivational psychology, consciousness research and quantum physics”. It attempts to create “a world view that includes both science and spirituality. New Age spirituality is characterized by an individual approach to spiritual practices and philosophies, and the rejection of religious doctrine and dogma. The New Age movement has been centered around rebuilding a sense of community to counter social disintegration.

For thousands of years, religions and political people have effectively utilized fear as a means of control over our lives. Fear can creep into our lives in small doses from an article on the net. It can also be thrust upon us suddenly in a big way. If we’re not paying attention, it can take control over our lives and have serious consequence to metal health. Try to keep that in mind when considering the value of whatever media your exposed to.

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hector (18) (@hector) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm this hit home for me, I’ve been channeling what I thought were divine beings recently, and before I read this article I noticed their energy was too masculine, too demanding, the unconditional love was supposed to be there but it wasn’t.

For me though, this article is too specific, this universe does not work like that. This is one man’s tangible interpretation of what is happening, it can be believed and used as long as it helps to promote the spread of unconditional love, but the ‘corrupt demiurge’ is essentially a non-real thing.

Also if the ‘false light’ and the ‘dark’ are two sides of the duality within the deception, where /what is the other side of the duality where the true ‘divine light’ is concerned?

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

As soon as you think you’ve figured everything out and joined a group of people who think the same shit as you, you know you’re a fucking idiot.

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Q (94) (@Qualohuasca) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

@i4cim2b, yes, I’m fully aware. Thank you for the pointers though. The idea of this post was to shake the foundations of people who consider themselves lightworkers: and perhaps to help people question their beliefs in general (I find this important – not a constant doubting of one’s ideals and beliefs but a skepticism every now and then). After all, if you can’t question your beliefs, I’d say you might be effectively psychotic.
We’ve had a sort of… boom of psychosis where I’m from lately. Whereas it used to be about aliens or demons, now it’s about spiritual awakening and enlightenment and battling shadow creatures, misaligned energies and whatnot.

I’ve enjoyed the “new” age ideas and especially the way these ideas are spread by the movement in the past. Unfortunately a lot of misinformation and complete superstition is also passed to people as “new age” thinking, and especially people new to the click may have a hard time taking what they’re told with a grain of salt.
If I have any standing at all, it’d be closer to the “New Thought” one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Thought), but as @ijesuschrist so eloquently expressed, well, yeah. Categorizing (both others and oneself) is a favorite pastime of many a person (oh, the number of personality tests on the internet…), but unfortunately it tends to be rather unproductive. As they say, stupidity increases in groups.

@hector, glad to hear it resonated, at least on some level. Did you get the channel in voices or feelings, actually? I hear voices in my head (or rather, have thoughts in my head that I don’t and can’t seem to be able to identify with. I’m fairly sure it’s some sort of a Jungian shadow-part of my own psyche brought to light by massive doses of psilocybin and nothing more), but to me it would make sense (as the article in my original post suggest) that true channels would not hear voices but rather “feel” what they were supposed to say. I mean, why use language if you’re a 4/5/6/whatever-dimension creature? And to extend that idea, I wonder why people think these things have a form or identity at all.

Also, very good points you’ve made, the last one being one I was wondering myself when first reading the article.

Thank you for your replies.

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Frosty (45) (@iflipvans) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

@qualohuasca, You know what… last night, my boy went through an episode in my house. Started seeing some hyperactive spirit (that eventually went through my body as well as his and we both felt it) I walked him home while praying and once we stepped inside his apartment building he stopped seeing and hearing this spirit. Power of prayer mate. I don’t really consider myself a lightworker but I pray and the golden light always is there.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

@qualohuasca, seems to imply that some “evil” force created the duality of good and evil to trick people. You and your friend are just going in the back door with this. You’re recreating the same duality you claim you are “transcending,” but now good AND evil are both considered evil…

Classic endless rabbit hole of ego games to feel like you’re above it all and you’ve finally figured it out.

How about there is no such thing as archons and angels and demons? That’s just a story. Ever consider that the mind tries to explain things by coming up with stories and rationalizations to provide a feeling of security and certainty? Gotta differentiate facts from stories. The new age is just a story, like the mainstream beliefs are just stories. Nothing more.

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Anonymous (328) (@) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

It’s an internet cult, and they lived happily ever after.

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Q (94) (@Qualohuasca) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

@mikeyw829, you’ve read my mind. :D I hope I wasn’t giving off the impression that I was agreeing with the text. I suppose I must have, considering the reaction. Believe me, after seeing hypnagogic images of hell and demons for a couple of years and “hearing voices”, you start to connect the images with stories emanating from the subconscious rather than actual, disembodied, malevolent entities [edit: ok, maybe that’s just me.]. Assuming you’re not waking up with claw marks on your chest or something.

Interestingly enough, the word “Hell” originally meant “to veil”. “Apocalypse” means “lifting the veil”. I think we live in an age where the disappearance of ignorance is at it’s most probable since… ever (more information available to more and more people readily and at all times). We may live in apocalyptic times – but it’s all in which meanings of the words one uses. If one doesn’t know their meaning, a completely different message is conveyed. That is to say, we may live in times when things such as superstition are slowly extinguished for good.

Also, there’s no mention of winged humanoids in the Bible. Just some things called “angels” that everyone’s afraid of at first. The mental image of an angel we carry now comes from artists. These things may have been metaphors for, say, zemblanity (the opposite of serendipity) that “God” (the Universe) “sent” to the people. That is to say, life taught them scary lessons. I don’t know, just riffing here.

I’m restating that the post was supposed to kind of shake the people in the light/dark-matrix to question the highly contrasted concept of light/dark in the first place. I just felt it needed a mind-game such as this one.

Oh, that’s why the name: “Lightworkers”, a message for you. I figured that would sort of make other people steer clear and pull the “lightworkers” in, like moths to the flame.

@iflipvans, Sure, sure. So far from what I’ve gathered is that “if you believe it, it’s true – for you”. Call it power of prayer or schematics in your mind for feelings of security. Faith is ok (like optimism, for example!) as long as it’s not used by someone in order to get money (like it seems to be, most of the time), power, prestige etc etc – and as long as it’s not contributing to and actively worsening pre-psychotic symptoms (like in the case of my friend). Psychosis is, after all, largely people holding on to irrational beliefs without the ability to question them.

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2Goats (20) (@2Goats) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

That article seems like some pretty words to describe ego

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i4c1m2b (70) (@i4CiM2B) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

@qualohuasca, Good point about, past exposure vs. present. Before the internet we usually would have a period of time between discoveries which gave us a pause to contemplate more fully what we were hearing an the context in which it was given. In a sense we had the time to develop an internal filtering mechanism that allows for greater discernment or digestion of information separating the nutrition from the bullshit. A journey of discovery today starts on the net and is likely to remain there linking from one bit of information to the next. Without a filter, those links soon become chains that can entangle (confuse) the seeker or bind him in one particular place. (such as becoming a “Lghtworker”).

Do you find yourself crossing paths with an increasing number of people who are beginning to awaken, or at least acknowledge an interest in learning about …(I’m still undecided on what term I’m comfortable with) Spiritual Realities? One of the things, I find valuable in this forums post, response,reply format, is that with an open mind (and disabled ego) we can receive insights that are not always apparent at first but arise from unobstructed give and take. Your post is a good example. Prior to our exchange, i was aware of the importance of having a filtering mechanism in place but had filed that information in with the rest of the topics that someone new to all this might be focused on at the moment. Our natural inclination is to offer what we may have learned about the subject. In effect, I may just be adding a link to the chain. I now realize that the filter issue, belongs in a file for high value topics. Now when I encounter someone all excited about his latest “revelation” about ET, spirit world, ascension, whatever, etc., my first concern will be to learn what kind of filter, if any, this person uses. If my goal ,purpose or intent is to add something of value, that actually benefits the person, Then helping to create a filter would be a worthwhile place to start. So thanks for that!

Aside from that , have you considered checking out the teamspeak discussion forum set up by @stormy-colt . Here’s the set up info. if you’d like to check it out:
Wonder what it would be like for people on this site to engage in actual verbal discussions.
@stormy-colt .rented a teamspeak server to test this theory out and see how it goes..
Here are the server details anyway If you have a mic then install teamspeak 3, click connect and enter this ip 85.236.100.96:12857 then drag your icon to join the discussion!
There is no password. You don’t have to use your HEthen username as your nickname

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Frosty (45) (@iflipvans) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

@qualohuasca, Well… I didn’t want you to get the impression of “If you believe it, it’s true for you.” because that’s not necessarily true. Prayer is positive energy from language. Meditation and “Om” is the sound of Peace. When you say, hum, or even think of a sound/word you are influencing nature.

So… if you pray/meditate you will attract forces of that nature that you are willing, being positive or negative.

I used to use my Ki and the energy around me by willing it to become and form elements, like fire ice, and electricity. (This was 6 years ago) I have stopped, God warned me of messing with natures elements and using it on people.

Now putting all this together… what is real is real, what you believe in will help see your own reality. The power of persuasion will let someone else know your reality. The knowledge of good and evil will let you see true reality.

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Eman (9) (@eman) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

We are attempting to interpret what is happening to us in physical world terms. Maybe that is the most effective instrument of the curse. All those ET names and terms for layered phenomena of earthly human transformation. Greatest distraction from achieving our greatest achievement. Whatevs. Every block you find in your mind that weighs heavy with fear and doubt needs to be sought and observed and examined and subsequently reasoned out of existence.

Really to seek out a label for the self like “light worker” is to seek a predefined purpose. Something to tell you what to do. Not a path created by the soul. Yes we are all part of the same, but our consciousness is the definer of our taste in knowledge or experience.
What do I know.

Love grows stronger.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

@qualohuasca, Yeah, balance is what life is all about. Picking sides is just another cage for the feeble and corrupt.

But this false light stuff applies to EVERYTHING.

The people who are obsessed with being good are really just constantly running errands for shady fuckers.

And why do they do this? So that they can keep convincing themselves that they are good people.
Sweet food for the ego.

There is no good or evil, it’s imaginary stuff. Deal with it.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

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Royzer (0) (@Royzer) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

Looks like just one more attempt to give life “meaning”.

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

Zzzzzz

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

@vovinawol, Interesting hypothesis.

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