Manifestation

Dom (@dominickjohn) 9 years, 5 months ago

Law of attraction, intention, reality creation through thoughts/feelings/beliefs…

Do you guys think it’s possible, or already do this? If so how much influence do you think we have?

August 26, 2012 at 7:23 am
Martijn Schirp (112,780)A (@martijn) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

I always take these with a grain of salt, a modern wishful thinking, a kind of superstition (we know it doesn’t work, but it creates the illusion that it does, so I keep doing it).

Also, it seems to completely underestimate the way our thoughts feelings and believes already create reality. Look around you, my thought causes me to create articles, which in turn modify peoples behaviour, which in turn effects god knows what. Don’t look further, you are already amazing without these New Age paganistic believes.

@dominickjohn,

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Chris (10) (@chlomo) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

All I know is I’ve noticed an ability to envision a certain parking spot on my way to school being open and as long as I don’t doubt myself I can usually pull up to meter #13 it might be 12 or 14 or maybe I have to drive to the end turn around and then the person that was there pulls out. I also do this with traffic lights either being green or staying green in time for me to get through.

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Dnonymous (18) (@udntnome) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

Objectivity is a concept that we can only experience subjectively, as is the nature of our perception. There are some interesting theories involving the role that observation plays on the day to day, but as the claims have only been substantiated on a quantum scale, it’s tough to say how true they hold.

It’s hard to change the world, but we’ve evolved to the point that it’s a damn shame if you’re not constantly and consciously remaining aware of the way that you are viewing it. Synchronicity exits, you’ve just got to notice it.

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Dom (78) (@dominickjohn) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@martijn, I agree wholly with what you’re saying. I feel like it’s some magical take on what is a very logical process of cause and effect we don’t yet understand, and shouldn’t be taken at face value. Thoughts and beliefs do effect our mood, which effect our actions, which we know can truly create change. So you could say thoughts create reality, but to what degree is the question.

Like @chlomo, says, there are times I’ve experienced coincidences that are way too freaky to ignore, and the possibility is there that some part of the universe is intently listening to my inner thoughts.

@udntnome, that’s the tricky part with this concept. According to it, if you believe it works it does, if you believe it doesnt it won’t. It’s all subjective in the end.

It was my first nose dive into inner growth, and I’m really interested to hear what other HEthens have to say on the topic

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Dom (78) (@dominickjohn) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

Regardless of whether Law of Attraction is legit or not, it helps make you aware of your inner thoughts, feelings, and beliefs in every moment… which I’m fully on board with.

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Jeslyn (594) (@jeslyntweedie) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

I personally believe that any sort of power of this nature varies greatly from person to person. No way in hell would it organically make sense for everyone to have such powerful ‘manifestation’ capabilities.

I think some consciousness are older than others, wiser inherently. Some that can practice this at a higher level than others so it seems.

People are different. They have to be.

Law of attraction, manifestation stuff–well, you do create your own reality. You get out of life what you put into it. If that’s what that means then yes, that exists.

You realize goals you are capable of realizing. You can live in whatever above ground part of the cave you are able to climb out of. But I think there are different exit points out of that cave. Potential. Fulfillment. Collective. An ecosystem on the consciousness plane.

This is really all completely nonsensical hypothetical bullshit, and my own point of view on this topic–though I enjoy reading the perspectives of others because I do feel that pang; like a slightly sharp or flat note; almost on pitch, but not quite- this view is skewed in some way I can’t comprehend right now. Almost.

Thanks for bringing this up OP, it’s a good one.

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Ellie (1,363)M (@tangledupinplaid21) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

I’ve experienced this firsthand but don’t believe in it as unabashedly as some. It makes perfect logical sense to me because, if you want to be a certain way, all you have to do is act the way you want your reality to be. You can manifest the reality of a confident person by being that person, but do I think I can manifest a purple elephant in the lobby of my work right now? Probably not.

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Ellie (1,363)M (@tangledupinplaid21) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@dominickjohn, I do have a friend that can make people’s hands close just by willing it though so…. That’s some pretty freaky shit.

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Daniel (316) (@qwuakeup) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

I’ve heard it’s more of a not so much “attracting” things into your life, but stopping the blockage so things can flow into your life

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Bryan Hellard (307)M (@xyver) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@dominickjohn, Oh boy, this reply may end up to be really long :P

I first heard about the law of attraction when I read “The Secret”. It seemed wrong, so very wrong, especially when the author was giving an example “If you want to be rich, then just act like you are rich! Spend you’re money, go to fancy restaurants, buy shit, and the money will just appear!”

That kind of turned me off on the law of attraction, but at the same time it stuck around as a nagging feeling that there was something to it. I was reading some other books, old books, from the 40’s, 60’s, and 70’s, and the authors were referring to “Imagine what you want to happen and it will”, “Visualize where you want to go in life and you will get there”. So there were these wise men, separated by generations, all alluding to the same thing. There had to be something to it.

I’ve always believed the saying “You only use 10% of your brain’s full potential”. I fully believe that there is potential locked in there that we just have to discover. Along those lines, I read a book recently called “Psycho Cybernetics”,and the author talked about how we all had a “Goal achieving machine” in our head, I believe he was referring to our subconscious. He was talking about how we usually over think things, we try to force them when we should just let our minds deal with it. For example, have you ever tried to write an essay? If you try to force it, you just block up your mind and don’t know what to write about. But if you just relax, let your mind do its work unimpeded, and let the ideas flow through your pen into paper, amazing things can happen.

The author talked about how we should practice consciously, give our minds everything they need to work, then once you’ve learned it, don’t worry about it. It’s like learning to play a piece on the piano, or an example I’m more familier with, learning a gymnastics trick (like a backflip). When you are learning, you are thinking over every little detail. Where your fingers go, what timing to use, what everything sounds like. Or for a backflip, you’re thinking “Extend your arms, keep looking forwards, rise to the height of the jump, snap your knees….”, everything. Then as you are learning, it slowly becomes ingrained in muscle memory, and soon enough you don’t have to think about it. It becomes “Fur Elise? Yeah I can play that.” and away you go! Or “Backflips? Easy! I can do them with my eyes closed.”

The point is, if we train our minds, we can do amazing things. And visualization is a big part of training. I could keep typing, but I’m sure I’d slowly drift off topic, so I’ll stop here.

TLDR: Yes, and lots.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

It’s real, but it’s not what people think.

It’s not some kind of other-worldly spirit manifestation-out-of-thin-air shit.
All it is, is your brain’s “path-finding” ability. Some call this the Reticular Activation System.

Basically, your mind works on patterns and repetition. “Stick to what you know” and “like attracts like” are good ways to describe how the brain works. Whatever is in your mind, you will be attracted to, which means you’ll get more of it because your mind will seek it out. Your feelings, thoughts, actions, and so on, it will always try to accumulate more of it.

Why is that so? According to most evolutionary biologists it’s simply due to the fact that it makes survival a shit-ton easier. Think back to the pre-civilization times, let’s say you were a caveman living a mediocre life. At least you live, that’s what your brain cares about. Now if you were to make an attempt at making your life better, you might risk getting killed in various ways, so your brain will always try to keep you doing what you’ve always done (and thus getting what you’ve always gotten.) It’s basically fear of the unknown, “better the devil you know…”

How does this law of attraction stuff work then? Like I said earlier, whatever is in your mind you will be subconnsciously drawn toward it, NO EXCEPTION. The brain doesn’t understand negations, wanting something to go away only brings more of it to you, because you’re thinking of it. Everything in your life has been attracted, has been EARNED. Everything is just feedback on your thoughts and actions. It’s a universe of cause and effect.

So how does your mind know where to look and what to do? “Durrr spirits and manifestation and blahblahblah” haha NOPE!
Basically, some knowledge is inherited through the genes, your genes have been around since the beginning of life, that’s a fuckload of generations all passing on some small bits of information to the next one. You are the result of this, you know a lot more than you think you do. This knowledge is known as INSTINCT and INTUITION (aka emotional guidance.)

On top of that, your brain remembers a lot more than you think it does. Maybe even everything you’ve ever experienced/perceived/thought, all input your brain has ever received. The fact that you’re unable to recall most of it doesn’t mean it’s not there, you can only consciously recall a fraction of your memory bank. Subconsciously however, it’s all remembered.
Your subconscious mind remembers a lot more than your conscious mind. It understands a lot more, knows a lot more, it DOES a lot more.
In fact, all REAL knowledge is subconscious, the conscious mind only deals with theories, actual knowledge is for the subconscious.

So basically, you’ve got all this knowledge in your subconscious mind. And your subconscious mind ALWAYS DOES EXACTLY WHAT YOU TELL IT TO DO. I’m not joking, the subconscious is your humble servant that always does what you tell it to.
That’s where the problem is, because most people have no fucking clue what they’re actually thinking (and thus “manifesting”/wishing for.)

That’s why meditation, self-talk and visualization are so powerful. Meditation lets you see more of what you’re auto-thinking. Self-talk and visualization is basically giving your subconscious mind orders.

And guess what, everything you think, feel or do IS AN ORDER. NO EXCEPTIONS.
If you choose to not take charge, that’s giving the “ego” the ORDER to take over and run on auto-pilot while you think of other stuff. And EVERY SINGLE MOTHERFUCKING THOUGHT IS AN ORDER.

I repeat: EVERY SINGLE MOTHERFUCKING THOUGHT IS AN ORDER.

And for every order you give, your mind will focus on achieving it. You know how some things always grab your attention, while others always go by unnoticed? That’s because you’ve calibrated your mind to focus on the former and ignore the latter. You know how some thoughts keep popping up in your head automatically? That’s because you’ve told calibrated your mind to think that thought over and over.
You know how when you’re sad you often remain sad for days? That’s because when you’re being sad you’re telling your mind “GIVE ME SAD! I WANT SAD! NOW!”

That’s the law of attraction for ya. I hope you found this useful and learned a lot, and that you start applying this shit immediately, claiming your own life and being more responsible and proactive.

It’s not difficult, it’s not complicated, it’s not fancy and doesn’t require any tools.
It’s your own damn mind, that’s all there’s to it, and you have FULL CONTROL over your own mind no matter what excuses you come up with. Whatever your mind does “automatically” YOU TOLD IT TO DO.

Peace, love, and prosperity
//Elion the Manimal

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Dom (78) (@dominickjohn) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@jeslyntweedie, I agree. It would have to vary person to person because each of us have different beliefs about what is and isn’t possible.

@tangledupinplaid21, Well, the purple elephant could be a statue, or a logo on someone’s shirt that walks in. The universe (edit per manimal: my reticular activating system) has had a sick sense of humor and finds clever ways to deliver. One time for shits and giggles I tried visualizing a gigantic candle, like WAY bigger than one should be. Later that day my friend came home from work with a giant novelty cigarette lighter they found at a gas station and just “had” to get >_<

@qwuakeup, that would help believe it's easier, which is everything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtE7N5qq5w8

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Dom (78) (@dominickjohn) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@manimal, Once again manimal, you’ve bridged the gap between magical BS and real world logic. Thanks brother ;)

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@tangledupinplaid21, That’s just limiting beliiiieeefs, you can manifest whateeeever you want if you just beliiiiiiiieeeve in it giiiiirrl, even a purple eeelephant maaaaann…

…is what a stoned new age pie-in-the-sky freak would say.
However, such people are just crazy. Manifesting things out of thin air, you’d have to go find Merlin for that hoggety poggety kind of shit.

Working “mind magic” on people is a whole ‘nother story. I don’t see how there’s anything psychic or magical about it, it’s just psychology, social dynamics, manipulation and subcommunication. Earthly stuff, not spiritual magic. Doesn’t validate beliefs in “supernatural” stuff.

And btw, the law of A stuff only works on yourself. If purple elephants existed, and you had some kind of clue as to where it was to be found, thinking of one manifesting would potentially lead you to the existing one.
Under the current bonafide circumstances, the most likely outcome would be mixing alcohol with psychedelics and seeing a bunch of crazy stuff, including purple elephants. That, or finding a drunk Billy Bob Thornton and telling him to steal a stuffed one for you, but then you’d get a bloody one.

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Bryan Hellard (307)M (@xyver) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@manimal, Well, you said pretty much what I was thinking. But better.

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Jeslyn (594) (@jeslyntweedie) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@manimal,

Write a book. In this theme of writing you’ve done here. Comprehension level is very high, compared to some other things you’ve posted. This is great. Someone would publish it. Good stuff.

Just helped me merge two topics I’ve recently been pondering, that I was only putting together and relating in my subconscious, so I felt it strongly on an intuitive level. Now it’s also conscious. Marvelous, thank you.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@jeslyntweedie,

I’m glad you liked it, I appreciate the encouragement and feedback. This will be covered in the book I’m writing, which I will publish hopefully next year. Though there are already books covering this stuff.

Comprehension level is relative and subjective, and its importance is much lower than that of teachability (open-mindedness and willingness to learn.) The latter is ever-fluctuating if not watched, and it is directly lowered by things like expectations, clinging to previous “knowledge” and opinions/feelings about the person presenting the info.
I don’t mean to point any fingers, but judging by the points you made in our last debate, you seem to do the latter one a lot (all that stuff about “tone of voice” and so on, it implies that you’re too attached to how things are being presented. It drops teachability down very low, due to closing the mind. This theory about mind-closing and teachability is scientifically validated, as even the slightest feelings of “hostility” release norepinephrince which directly causes “close-midedness”)

I repeat, I do not mean to offend you or accuse you of anything. (Why do I even have to say that? Why do people get offended so easily? It’s unreasonable.)

This stuff about teachability is so key to fast learning, and to wide learning. There is no “good” or “bad” comprehension level of information, it’s mostly about how one handles the info. REALLY. I had a thread about teachability and learning in the past, it got really popular but it was deleted for some stupid reason.

I guess the key lesson here is: Whenever your attention is on the person presenting the info, or his/her “tone,” you miss a lot of information. When you think about stuff, the same thing happens. If you want to learn more, pay more attention to the info and disregard the other stuff.

Because really, the only difference in “comprehension level” between that last post of mine, and other posts of mine, is that this one used less “offensive” words. Take a look for yourself, compare them and this is the only real difference you will find.

And believe it or not, but this stuff ties in closely with the law of attraction stuff. It’s very much on topic. Remember, whatever is in your mind multiplies. When you miss info, your auto-pilot will ignore more info. When you get upset about something, your auto-pilot will find more reasons to get upset.

That’s how being upset really works. You FIND reasons to get upset, to validate your ego’s previous behaviour and keep it going. When you’re upset, fundamentally it’s because of YOU and nobody else.
And whenever you do it, you attract more of it. Whenever you blame it on others, you attract more ways to blame things on others. Whenever you defend or justify your behaviour, you attract more opportunities to do so. Whenever you deny what you did, you attract more denial of truth.

Whenever you say the responsibility is someone else’s (such as this comprehension level stuff) you find more ways to hold others responsible (thus lowering your own resonsibility and thereby your power/authority/initiative/freedom/call-it-what-you-want, your self-reliance and all that jazz.)

It’s easy to overlook these things, and you’ve been taught over and over to do just that, overlook the basic fundamental truths. And you’ve been taught to get upset and close your mind down when presented with something you don’t like. And you’ve been taught to like certain things (like supplication, aka “being nice”) and dislike certain other things (“offensive” non-sugarcoated expression.)

And thereby, you’ve been taught how to attract a certain way of being, a certain general outline for lifestyle and situation, a certain attitude toward people, etc. And as long as you keep feeding those mental patterns, they keep growing, “attracting more.”

In every moment, the choice is yours. Choose wisely.

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Jeslyn (594) (@jeslyntweedie) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@manimal,

Ok, good points yet again. I’m referencing comprehension from the fact that I was a crew leader for 16-19 year olds out in the woods for 5 weeks at a time for 5 months doing trail and conservation work-as well as an educational component every day (science, environment, conflict resolution) and what I meant by a high level of comprehension, is simplification. There is a way to present material and ideas that will be understandable by a wider range of people. I am not placing responsibility on them, not at all.

Responsibility on myself, and others who do have valuable things to share and the ability to share them.

Also, I do not blame you, I do not get upset when talking to you. On the contrary despite my opinion of your personality–when you speak logical truth I still recognize and respect it, and critically analyze it.

I think your idea of me, my own intellect, and personality on this webesite-can be too literal. The words I use are meant to cover vague ideas sometimes. Comprehension, simplification. The word comprehension was not meant to be taken to it’s literal extreme meaning.

I was definitely encompassing teachability. I do like that word. But that also depends on your audience. With the stuff you’ve been sayin here–I think simplifying it to a point where understanding can be achieved by the largest audience possible would be beneficial.

You’re lack of offensive words/satirical sarcastic examples, as well as logical bluntness, work well here. Just wanted to point that out.

Perhaps, also, sidenote- just maybe, I think we are beginning to more accurately understand each other–so that’s kind of cool.

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Fictitious_Z (21) (@ziggy) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

I have had lots of experiences similar to what you are describing.I’ll tell you about one,I was at school,on disciplinary duty (bored out of my mind,I might add),it was the middle of the very short winter we have here.The sky was clear with the sun up.So,me being a rain lover,wished it would rain so the day would be a little better.A few minutes later,while I was talking to a friend,and BAM! Dark,low hanging clouds in the sky,there was a bit of lightning,and then it started raining.I couldn’t believe my eyes.Shit was epic.

And @manimal,I like what you’re saying and will give it a try to control my life that is spiralling out of control day by day.Tell me more.

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Gosho (50) (@gosho) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@manimal, I agree with most of the stuff that you said – how your thoughts and feelings multiply and the more you pay attention to something the more you will keep noticing just that. There is one thing that I noticed though – you keep saying that “spirits” and the like are just bullshit, and you seem absolutely confident about that. How come you are so sure about that? And what would you say about actual manifestation – of matter for example – and things like levitation, bending spoons and other “magic” – is that bullshit too? Is it all just … brains ?

From other posts of yours I know that you like questioning, but do you like answering? And isn’t that what you are doing here all the time?

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Ahtoms (0) (@buhawe07) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

whew!!!! I reaallllly like the exchange of thoughts! I want to stay but I need to go. See you guys!!!

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@gosho, Spirits and stuff like that are just a way to explain things. Just like any form of symbology and simplification. Taking it literally is just crazy. It’s like that show “Once upon a time… life” it’s not saying that there are actually little people walking around in your body, it just shows those people and events to simplify the concepts of biology. Same thing goes for spirits and all that stuff, it’s just a way to understand something without getting into details, and without requiring fancy equipment and years of studies.

Take Newton’s “intelligence theory” for example. Change some words in it and you get the old theory of spirits/angels. Change them again and you get Jungian psychology. And so on.

Manifesting matter, I don’t believe in it at all. If people could do that, they would, but they don’t so it can’t be possible. And by law of physics (and/or the occult laws of reality) you CAN’T create something from nothing.
“Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only redistributed” ring a bell?

As for levitation, have you ever seen anyone levitate? You haven’t? Then how is it anything more than a belief? And what is that belief founded on? Is there any real evidence behind that belief? Or is it just a figment of imagination?

Bending spoons is an illusionist trick, just like teleporting cards, sawing people in half, and so on. “Magicians” aren’t doing magic, they’re playing with illusions to make it look like they’re doing magic.

And sure, there’s some “psychic” stuff that is bonafide undeniable reality. But that doesn’t mean it’s got anything to do with spirits. It’s just a jumped conclusion, a crazy logic full of massive gaps.
Just like those people who think the explanation to everything is “aliens” or “illuminati” or “time travel” or other crazy stuff like that.

Here’s something most people don’t know about the human mind: It’s ridiculously easy to make literally any piece of unreasonable bullshit make perfect sense, to make any conclusion look solid, to rationalize things beyond recognition. All it takes is belief. Believe in something, and your mind will fill in the blanks with the necessary info to make it look like it’s true, no matter how untrue it is.

(Funny example, the other day someone sent me a pm on this site telling me I’m the antichrist, complete with scripture references and such and explanations of how I fit into those concepts. A year or so ago, someone sent me a similar message on here about me being an alien from some kind of conspiracy bullshit. People believe in such crazy things, and they think it’s actual knowledge of fact when it’s not.)

Spiritutal stuff is a pretty nice way to explain things without having to understand too much about them, but it’s pretty much outdated. Most of it can be replaced with mainstream science even.
But it’s still a nice way to explain things, but when someone starts taking the metaphors and analogies literally, things turn to shit.

“It is like a finger, pointing away to the mon. DON’T concentrate on the finger, or you will miss all of that heavenly glory.” -Bruce Lee

“Once you receive the message, hang up the phone.” -Alan Watts

Great quotes that explain the phenomenon perfectly.

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Ellie (1,363)M (@tangledupinplaid21) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@manimal, Quoting you again Manimal.

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Dom (78) (@dominickjohn) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@manimal, no fair, I wanted antichrist!

Just wanted to add that while I 100% agree with you, I don’t think people should ever shy from the magical or unexplainable.

In contemplating levitation… what if movement itself is the mind shifting to extremely similar parallel realities?
In contemplating manifesting out of thin air… what if energy couldn’t be created or destroyed, but transformed?

They might not achieve the initial starry-eyed wishes, but if some of those what if’s turned out to be true and proven, it’d have a serious real effect on the reality we live in. The only difference between crazy and genius is that genius knows it’s crazy.

Anything’s possible, but not everything’s probable or relevant. Sometimes impossible and silly hopes are those fingers pointing ways to the moon. :)

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Jeslyn (594) (@jeslyntweedie) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@dominickjohn,

Yes. What if there was a ‘place’ where the laws of physics we understand don’t even apply? Or a place where there’s no such thing as speed, or direction.

Important not to be locked in to even the most logical beliefs.

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