Marijuana + Meditation = ?
A couple weeks ago I tried meditating after smoking some weed. We sat on these two blocks in the middle of an empty park staring at the sky and meditating. It was the most peaceful 20 minutes of my life.
So anyone ever try meditating after smoking a bowl? I understand the point of meditating is to clear your mind without any drugs, but do you think this is a good way to start meditating? To get a taste of what mastering meditation is like?
I would definitely mix it up and meditate sober intermittently. Weed always makes me hyper aware of my own thoughts so it’s a good way to experiment with meditation but I wouldn’t make it the norm or you might end up needing it to get there.
It’s a cool experience, but that’s it. I used to do this a lot.
If you’re only meditating for relaxation, go ahead, it’ll be very pleasant. But if you meditate for inner cultivation or something like that, mind altering substances will kill your progress. Drugs and inner peace don’t mix.
I actually got into meditation because of smoking. For whatever reason, my tolerance gets lower every time I smoke rather than higher. This was a bit of a problem in the beginning, but as I started hanging around the right people, we just started relaxing together, listening to good music, and zoning out for a bit on our own. Ellie is definitely right, and you have to have a good mix of sober awareness so not to become dependent. The better mix of the two that you have, the better your meditative sessions on weed will become. I also think that you will develop a capping off point if you don’t allow yourself a good amount of sober awareness. Personally, I always get crazy visuals whenever I close my eyes and (if I can stay in that state for long enough) reach an awesome peak that varies each time. It’s always a result of oneness, peace, clarity, etc, etc, but it’s always amazing to see how many different ways the brain can display that feeling to you. Best of luck!
Meditation is for clearing your mind and just being at one with your body. Focusing on your breathing and nothing else. Whenever im high i cant stop thinking about random non sense so it kinda makes no sense to smoke and meditate. Yeahh it may be peaceful but I find it impossible to meditate when im high all i feel like doing is eating cereal and watching cartoons or something
I disagree with all those saying marijuana will hinder progress. Marijuana is a drug that doesn’t seem to have bring any content to one’s experience, rather, it enhances one’s experiences in whatever way that person allows it too. Different people handle it differently, some are more able to control themselves than others. But I believe, under the influence of MJ, one can reach the same state of meditative state of mind that people do while sober. I know many people who find it greatly helps them achieve this, as well as many who say it makes it more difficult. It can affect the way you reach that state, but it really depends on your ability as an individual to use your mind as a medium to reach a meditative state while under the influence. Many Sadhus in India who have devoted the entirety of the remainder of their lives to meditation and spiritual enlightenment, smoke ganja frequently to help with the meditative state. Some Sufi Muslims do the same.
It’s all up to personal preference. I recommend meditating while sober as well as while high, and comparing your experiences.
If it works for you good, there is nothing wrong with it.
This is a fairly common question but some people refuse to acknowledge that it indeed can help to achieve great inner peace and mindfulness just because in their personal experience it hasn’t been like that.
As Ty said it’s all about your mindset, and there are the Sadhus and Sufis who smoke ganja as a way to get to a higher consciousness.
Yes! Ty is 100% right..it’s all about your mindset. If you are using weed as a tool rather than a drug, it will most likely adjust itself to fit your needs.
Weed slows us down, and the reason that you have a million thoughts going on is because you’re actually moving slow enough to hear them occurring. Our brains are always moving at a million miles a minute, and we’re usually so wrapped up in everything around us that our inner monologue just kind of goes unnoticed sometimes.
When you smoke, however, you are actually catching onto all these great (and sometimes not so great), fleeting ideas. What I do sometimes is just try to hold onto one of those ideas for a while and let it spiral into a huge theory. If you stay with it long enough, it will most likely result in that feeling of oneness, as everything does if you let it.
That is my theory anyhow. Maybe it will work for you too. :)
@ty Yes you can hit the same state of relaxation and stillness, that doesn’t mean you’re hindering progress. Do you really think that’s the end of the meditation road? No, when you hit that state you’ve only just begun. You’ve dipped your toe in the water, not more. You will never get further than that if you keep using drugs.
Seriously, that state is nothing more than default mode. That’s how we’re born, no progress has been made until you’ve reached the next state.
no, doesnt work for me….my thoughts wander too easily. maybe im too burned out from years of doing drugs, but it makes me kind of ADD- scatter brained. sure maybe it works for some people. but i think it would most likely hinder you more than help in the end, i agree with everything manimal has said about this…
@manimal “You’ve dipped your toe in the water, not more. You will never get further than that if you keep using drugs.”
How can you be so sure? if it doesn’t work for you it doesn’t mean it will never work on someone else.
This is what happens when someone has strong beliefs about something “trivial” may I say, they only become closed minded, there will be people on both sides of X argument claiming that their absolute truth is the real one, but they fail to acknowledge that truth may be subjective. The thing is that most people don’t like this idea, they want to hold on to something and that’s the reason the world is in this situation.
How many times have I heard someone claim something will never happen/work, only to be disproved moments later.
Let me finish by saying this, I know from personal experience that (getting controversial in 3, 2, 1) enlightenment, bliss, Christ, and Buddha consciousness and whatnot can be attained with weed, I went so far as to have visions about my future (that came true), benevolence overload, with the other stuff that comes with higher states of awareness.
If it worked on me, it’s not impossible, just think that you will get enlightened with all your soul.
It only gives me a good amount of assistence if I mix the 2 in the woods. When it all comes alive, I stop thinking about all the things I was thinking about. Otherwise, I get more results
from reading a good and deep book after a smoke. I’m not saying that I read or smoke or meditate though. But when I did, then yea.
Hi! I just discovered this thread. How interesting that it was suddenly revived a week ago.
Weed affects everyone differently. I see a pattern here of people saying, “It just made me tired and scatter brained, so yeah, it’s not a good path for meditation or enlightenment!” It’s understandable how people would react this way, with the assumption that pot is going to affect everyone in the same way. In reality, however, there are a great many reactions that occur in people, and indeed it’s true that pot is not for everyone.
After dwelling for years on the mystery of why it is that weed affects everyone differently, I’ve come to realize the true nature of what marijuana does to a user. Quite simply, pot amplifies one’s internal nature. This is why, when stoned, people who cannot concentrate well, find themselves lost amidst swirling thoughts; why creative people find themselves more in touch with their creations; why lazy thinkers are ten times more lazy; why physical people experience a deeper connection to their body; and most importantly: why those who expect the drug to -bring them somewhere- (i.e., do the work for them) experience a more profound level disappointment.
Pot is tool, and like all tools it can be used properly or improperly.
My experience with pot seems to be unique as I’ve yet to run into any accounts of similar successes. I’ll start by saying that before I was eighteen I was against the idea of using any drug just on principle. Many principles really, but namely the idea that nothing foreign should be able to take credit for my own mental processes, or perhaps rather, the notion that I shouldn’t “need” anything outside of my own spirit to help guide me toward enlightenment. But then I tried it, and the results were undeniable. I realized, just as Emily touched upon, that pot gave me the speed to see things around me which normally go unnoticed. But even that statement is perhaps more cryptic than it needs to be. In the most literal sense, I began to have extraordinary experiences which shaped my spiritual path.
Many people just don’t know how to use the drug. I cringe when I hear about people using pot in groups, or at a party, or to watch cartoons, etc. What a waste to put yourself in a position where the normal, every day world of external influences perpetually force your attention back to the mundane. Instead, I discovered early, just as Vovinawol mentioned in the post above mine, that the best usage is alone in the woods (preferably at night for the same reason that lights aren’t kept on during movies at the theater). Here, a whole world was opened up to me. One which I had dreamed of my whole life and wanted access to -so badly- and for so long.
Any sage in the world will tell you that so long as we exist in this world, we are subject to the distractions which hit our bodies. Even a sage will get mad, sad or anxious, but they will tell you that the only difference between them and everyone else is the fact that inside of them, these emotions do not claim permanent residence. They are fleeting expressions of the universe. The real self exists in a point of stillness, or peace, which they always come back to.
In the woods, alone and high, I was able to achieve stillness. It was as if the pot cured a physical problem. It was as if, in life, someone was forever flicking the side of my head, preventing me from ever achieving peace. Upon getting high the flicking stopped, and I could rest. FINALLY I could rest.
Before me was a spiritual world which normally cannot be seen. You often hear of people relating supernatural experiences, and indeed they are possible. Over the years I saw it -all-. And it was fun! But in time I discovered that seeing spirits, the future, the past, auras, you name it, was not the “point”. When I finally -actually- met God, just as I knew I would all of my life, I was disappointed afterward to discover that I hadn’t immediately transformed into some sort of Neo, or Jesus, or Buddha as I’d always figured I would. I can say that “believing” was pretty much moot as now I actually -knew-. And while you’d think that not having to worry about things like the uncertainty of death, etc., would be a desirable end-game, I found that I still longed to discovered something even closer. But what could possible be left? -God- came to me, in this world, and in the most literal sense and yet I was still unsatisfied…
When God came to me (as a cat, lol) I was ecstatic because finally he was here in the “real world”, and not the world of the mind which superimposes itself above the external world which we see every day. The “rules” were broken in -this- world when he came, much like if a car just started to levitate in front of you. But in time I realized what it was that I was still searching for: -Me-. Who am -I-?
***I understand that all of this is foreign to most people. Know that my endeavor to anonymously relate my spiritual journey has not been in an effort to pat myself on the back or to show you how awesome I am, but to show you what I was able to find with the help of POT. Before all of this, when the world was metaphorically flicking me in the head constantly, the possibility of realizing some sort of peace, and thus the pursuit of achieving any level of discovery, was futile. Pot, in my case, allowed me to rest.
In time that peace allowed me to truly let go and simply observe. For the first time ever, even those raging thoughts of mine were simply observed. I discovered that for anything to be seen, two conditions must be met. There must be that which is seen, and then something else which then sees it. Logically then, it occurred to me that anything which I perceive cannot be me, as the real -I- must be the one who is doing the perceiving. This may seem obvious, but explore the concept. When you look at grass on the ground, do you think “that’s ME, that’s who I AM!”? No, of course not. Nor do we look at a car on the street and think “I’m THAT! That car is ME.” We know not to believe this because we detect ourselves observing the car, and so the separation is made obvious. But why then do we look down at our own bodies and our own thoughts, our own personality and say “THAT IS ME!”? It is conditioning which causes this confusion. A confusion which leads to turmoil because it’s not true. The expression of us in this world is seen, and is therefore not the “eye” itself which sees it. The real you is this very “I”.
—I could go on, but I just wanted to get to that important concept before returning to the point of this post. Everyone has different experiences with marijuana. I wanted to drive this point home by showing you what is -possible-, all in an effort to stifle the ever-reoccurring tendency to outright dismiss the potential for marijuana as an effective tool.
@spektr, well said… i hate when people use pot for recreational purposes only too.
i met god the other too but it wasn’t while high, i was walking home 1 night pondering about the NOW, then it hit me, he was always in the “present” it was just for me to open it…
“The real self exists in a point of stillness, or peace, which they always come back to.”
im trying to make this state permanent but my ego and emotions keeps swinging out of balance…
about the global question of “who am i”, i say this with 100% certainty, you are whatever you want to BE…
@spektr, Thank you for your response. That was beautiful.
It is incredible the possible uses of marijuana in regards to spiritual development.
I know when I mostly recently smoked I felt an amazing amount of energy in my body that I only felt appropriately released through on-the-spot chi movements. I was moving around like sea-weed in the ocean. It felt beautiful. I felt I could channel my chi to my own body and heal each individual chakra’s (bearing in mind I had never really done a chakra meditation before this). I felt I could observe my “comfort zone” thoughts, which often are self-doubting thoughts. I could feel that channel of connections in my brain after I had some time to rest. I was aware enough to stop that channel of thoughts and start creating a new one. A channel of thoughts (thought-pattern) of self-love. Self-assurance.
It was beautiful. The opportunities and possibilities that can be opened up when you’re in the right environment and have the right incentives and motivations with marijuana are incredible.
Try. Love. Feel.
I have found the truth with a little help from MJ. Earlier on, I couldn’t enjoy the use of it, but luckly as I became more aware of myself through psychological therapy twice a week I learned to go with it’s flow. I had real strong insights, I named the state I found myself in, and also encountered many synonyms the appeared to be subdivisions of the whole. I wrote all of these down, Googled it and found a book homonymous to my title. The degree of concentration was something I can not even try to explain. I had an amazing sense of reality, capable of interpreting feelings without any preconception. This state of total conciousness endured over 24 hours. The day after I underwent a routine consultation with my doctor, I told her about my experience and obviously she wanted me tested. Hemograms (CBC), scans etc. That was the only moment I felt unconfortable with my experience. The journey into my consciousness took me around, showed me all different points of view, the infinite possibilities, realities within a reality, it was an express travel through a mighty scenic route back to myself! What a blissful instant, like an orgasm through my hole existence, that started around my pelvis and irradiated in all directions. When I went to bed I felt an enormous loniless, something I wouldn’t like to go through again. I’ve heard that at the last instants before you die you feel this deperation and no one can make you feel differently. What I learnt from this is that you should live here and now, that I AM GOD, thus I have the Truth. Liberum Arbitrium. Unity. This will echo in my mind for all eternety.