Mental Illness and Shamanism.

kae (@agapeinflux) 8 years, 9 months ago

Hey guys. I just wanted to create some dialouge about this subject. I remember seeing this video that some of you might be familiar with. It’s by Terence McKenna; he basically speaks about the paralells between schizophrenia and shamanism. What do you think about the way our society perceives/stigmatizes mental illness and is there some truth in McKenna’s word. Can there be divine insight in the madness one experiences when their mentally “ill”.

Here’s the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wKZ0ImX7A0

Peace!

February 11, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Anonymous (272) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@agapeinflux, I found the others!

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Zane (89) (@albinomongoose) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Read Aldous Huxley’s essays Heaven and Hell / Doors of Perception. He covers this subject in depth and makes a compelling case for what you’re describing. I assume McKenna probably got it from him.

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kae (17) (@agapeinflux) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@albinomongoose, Good suggestion. That’s actually been on my list of books to tackle! Thanks.

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kae (17) (@agapeinflux) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Does anyone else got some ideas to throw around?

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Kristian Jaded (75) (@mentalkink) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Wow, I really loved that clip, lots of amazing ideas, I have much interests in mental illnesses, but schizophrenia is the one I know most about. I find it fascinating. And this parallel is cool, it shows our world and how were so goddamn afraid of ourselves and this unknown, we have to manipulate it to make it known in a way we feel more comfortable.

Its sickening to think about mental hospitals, and if anyone has ever been in one,you do understand! I am blessed to of had aboriginal morals brought up with me, and the choice to choose.

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Kristian Jaded (75) (@mentalkink) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@mentalkink, lol choice to choose, silly me. :)

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Saw this video a while back. Definitely think it is a high possibility. I’ve had cases of “psychosis” and “paranoia” and many others have too and usually because of “receiving” information and instead of accepting it, you reject it, thus comes the schizophrenia.

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@agapeinflux, I think its bullshit.

Terence wasn’t schizophrenic.

Schizophrenia and the states induced by entheogens seem relatated, but how can we really know? Schizophrenics that I’ve know who take these drugs don’t come back down and say “wow that is just like how I view reality”. Its still a completely mind-thrusting course through what we experience as well.

From all the schizophrenics I’ve ever listened to describe schizophrenia and/or psychedelic experiences, I’ve come to realize that the two, although sounding similar on the outside, are very different internally.

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, I’ve only seen a video about how schizophrenics think and feel, maybe it was particularly about paranoid schizophrenics. I was always wondering if I am a schizophrenic because I fitted all related symptoms once, but then I snapped out of it and told myself that I’m just thinking I am. I just had these really fast and loud thoughts in my head and while listening to them I asked myself with another part of my mind if that’s how schizophrenics think. So I guess schizophrenics may or may not miss that part that tells them they’re not how they feel or think, that part that could grab and start taking control of the thoughts and recognize them as a flow. Then I decided I’m a genius which also made me think I’m a schizophrenic.

I see that in a lot of societies mental illnesses are simply not treated with attention. For example, in my country there are mainly drug prescriptions for treatment, but no specific understanding or attention, I’ve read articles about it, haven’t seen an expert with more knowledge than what he read somewhere. There are so many symptoms and so many different types of schizophrenia that when usually reading about the illness, at the end of all the explanations and symptoms lies a message telling you that this doesn’t apply to everyone with those symptoms. So my critical opinion on this is that a diagnosis doesn’t make you mentally ill unless you’re suffering.

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MarkII (71) (@mwinship13) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I’ve read ideas about Buddha, Jesus, Socrates, and the Dalai Lama all having schizophrenia.

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Anonymous (46) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I reckon there is some great insights found in both “named” mental stages. It’s a matter I think of in which layer of thought you are, how much truth you lay within the thought and how analytical you perceive things.

For example, I know of a man that was into deep trance and looking for new way’s to think and look at things, he often scribled and wrote things in code that made perfectly meaning to him. When he was forced into a clinic the physicians told him he was schizophrenic, while he asked them what they where meaning, they told him he was hearing voices. I remember well that he told me that he never thought about that perspective and started to think about the concept of schizophrenia, he ended up being schizophrenic for 2 months. Being hold against his will and pumped of medication he wrote a letter to clinic that he tried schizophrenia but that it didn’t make any sense, he said.. “I understand that one can create diversity in mind, even allocate a name at the emotion it holds and converse with the concept of it or debate with them at a table, but to label a mind a general term is part of the disease which is called psychology”

2 weeks later he was released,..

Part of the problem is the believe of generalization and naming something which in course can inflict a problem within the mind, If i’m confused and weak and a person tells me i’m stupid, I’m more likely to believe it, that when I’m strong.

It’s like a wound, I can have wound and not notice it, but when made aware of it i might pull of the crust and make the wound larger… It’s the law of accelerating return in a way

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Anonymous (46) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I reckon there is some great insights found in both “named” mental stages. It’s a matter I think of in which layer of thought you are, how much truth you lay within the thought and how analytical you perceive things.

For example, I know of a man that was into deep trance and looking for new way’s to think and look at things, he often scribled and wrote things in code that made perfectly meaning to him. When he was forced into a clinic the physicians told him he was schizophrenic, while he asked them what they where meaning, they told him he was hearing voices. I remember well that he told me that he never thought about that perspective and started to think about the concept of schizophrenia, he ended up being schizophrenic for 2 months. Being hold against his will and pumped of medication he wrote a letter to clinic that he tried schizophrenia but that it didn’t make any sense, he said.. “I understand that one can create diversity in mind, even allocate a name at the emotion it holds and converse with the concept of it, but to label a mind a general term is part of the disease which is called psychology”

2 weeks later he was released,..

Part of the problem is the believe of generalization and naming something which in course can inflict a problem within the mind, If i’m confused and weak and a person tells me i’m stupid, I’m more likely to believe it, that when I’m strong.

It’s like a wound, I can have wound and not notice it, but when made aware of it i might pull of the crust and make the wound larger… It’s the law of accelerating return in a way

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Kelleyh (1) (@kelleyh) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

There’s a big difference between being mentally ill and being a shaman–as in someone who accesses the spirit world on behalf of a community. The key difference is shamans have the ability to control going into and out of trance, as well as what happens to him/her while in trance. Those enduring a mental health emergency can’t do either.

Western culture’s greatest mental health failure, IMO, is not recognizing that those experiencing schizophrenia (and some other mental states) are intensely intuitive, and valuable. Just because someone is mentally ill doesn’t mean s/he isn’t deeply connected to All Things, or what not. By the same token, just because someone is a shaman doesn’t make them mentally ill.

It’s also worth noting that our general mental health system doesn’t distinguish between mental illness and spiritual emergency.

Cheers, all!

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Anonymous (328) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Alienation makes one think more, not the usual thinking you do when you’re around people. All the Mental disorders are just medical names for things they cant explain, to this day they still don’t know the real EXACT causes. It’s generalized but it’s still an on going research. As for the mysticism part, it’s part of self meditation from being alone I think, because MEDICAL TERMS ARE USUALLY TRANSLATIONS OF OLD SPIRITUAL PHENOMENONS.

I do believe there is a really fine line between being called a genius and an insane person, since we are socially taught to dismiss things we don’t understand, to feel safe with the herd.

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cheeky (76) (@cheeky) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@agapeinflux, absolutely. Terrance’s intellect and breadth of knowledge on ALL subjects was nothing short of astonishing… ..another gentleman has a website called bypolarorwakingup.com in which he catalyzes kundalini awakenings and compares them to schitzophrenice experiences. Many, many folks on here have had experiences in other realms and levels of existence; could there be anything more fascinating?? Amazonian Shamans claim the ayauascha spirits taught them how to make poison darts from vines to shoot prey out of trees helping perpetuate their Amazonian existence… Shamans manipulating life on other planes of existence through ritual and trance, fucking wow, love that shit !

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Anonymous (22) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Being normal is bad. Wake Up! The government herds us together like sheep because we’re easier to control as a herd versus lone wolves. Anyone who is “ill” will be determined socially defective.

Open your eyes and don’t buy into the society created by our government; it is there job by the way, to influence and control society.

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