Mind boggling.. Free will vs destiny

mahany (@mahany) 7 years, 10 months ago

Have you ever had déjà vu, the strange sense that you’ve experienced something before? Have you ever felt like you were meant for something, that some event or moment in your life was fated? Do you think there is always a choice? In other words: do you believe in destiny or free will?

This topic is quite mind boggling, we as human beings experience déjà vu moments and believe it is fated as we experience these moments. I can not really say there is always a choice, a free hand in which we can easily find ourselves weighing in on but what I can say is we are given the cards and we choose how we deal them. I believe free will in destiny can exist but separately it would something i’d have to ponder over. What’s your view?

November 22, 2014 at 11:55 am
i4c1m2b (70) (@i4CiM2B) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Deja vu gives you a brief glimpse into a parallel reality and the very real existence of one or more of your alternate selves. Consider these experiences as an aspect of your own personal awakening into higher consciousness. Free will and destiny are another subject altogether. You will need an open mind if you want to learn more. That being said, I would suggest you begin exploring current metaphysical concepts and quantum theories. When you feel ready to go deeper, try reading “The Nature of Personal Reality” and/or “Seth Speaks” by Jane Roberts (both can be downloaded as PDF at no cost from sources online). If you have an open mind as well as a sense of humor, then you can learn much by simply going to You Tube and watching the “Bashar” videos. Pick and choose according to the subjects which interest you. Try to remember this: Expanding your consciousness will only be limited if you succumb to fear based beliefs and the ignorance of those who promote them. Don’t waste time trying to decide what to “believe” or what not to believe. Just take in any and all information and trust in your internal “data filtration” system to output the answers you seek as well as any updates that are likely to follow.

CountingCards (0) (@noemboeh) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

I disagree with the “data filtration” system and taking in any and all information. Engaging information with reasoning is the only way to master learning and swan diving into information is the surest way to get lost.

Deja vu has some mystery to it, but it hasn’t taken me anywhere. Even in contemplation, the only value I could determine from it is somehow knowing what is about to happen, but Deja vu has this peculiar tendency to strike right after the event. As for free will and destiny, such questions literally drag up people premises on reality which makes meaningful discussions difficult. If you found someone with a similar set of beliefs, you could discuss the possibility of how it fits in your world view.

Take some perspectives:
1. I believe in a single omnipotent creator god and original sin -> there is no free will, but there is destiny
1a. I believe in a single omnipotent creator god -> there is free will(by God’s grace) and there is destiny.
2. I believe that everything is random chance -> there is no free will, and there is no destiny.
3. I believe consciousness is a chemical reaction -> there is no free will
4. I believe in multiple gods/Pantheism -> There is free will, but we are caught on various possible threads of destiny. Appease the gods? Dash them on the dirt?
5. I believe in infinite multiple universes -> all things must occur -> there is both destiny and free will and not destiny and not free will.
6. I believe in Mathematics -> we are self-solving equations balancing to zero -> all events build their own destiny and resolution -> The infinitesimal is the prime decision maker -> free will is possible but misunderstood.
7. I believe in Reason -> the universe moves in dialectic process -> destiny is resolution -> the universe is bound by rules of infinitely supreme and simple scale -> free will is the sum-total selection of all consequences.

I spend time sorting out my own perspective because it will show me exactly what I would think on a subject before I even have to think about it.

i4c1m2b (70) (@i4CiM2B) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

@noemboeh – Thank you for your comments. Allow me to clarify. “Taking in any and all information” refers to any information (available perspectives) concerning one of the subjects in question, that being “deja vu”. Reasoning is one aspect of what I am referring to as “data filtration” . Intuition, “gut feelings”, and other intangible elements are aspects as well. (at least from my perspective) I do agree with you, however, about the difficulties that can arise when discussing free will vs destiny and your clear presentation (belief perspectives) of the reasons for that. They apply to just about any topic of discussion. That is why I chose only to offer a perspective on the subject of deja vu. I can also assure you, from my own experience, that when you do finish sorting out your own perspective, you will know exactly what you think about a subject without having to think about it at all.

Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

There’s a balance in everything. We have guidelines. We must adhere to gravity and certain laws of nature. But where the ‘law’ doesn’t state anything, we can do whatever we want, or find loopholes. This goes for individuals and societies.
This works with macro and micro things too. Particles make up macro things like galaxies..but the immense pull of gravity on the moving arm of a galaxy is enough force to ‘keep’ particles doing what they are doing.

Much like in our body, our bacteria and cells go about their business, but you know if I wanna move my arm, tough shit for them.
To me, destiny is pointless. Its almost like an expectation I place on reality, and I dont wanna do that stuff. I just let things happen. Ive had quite a lot of experiences with deja vu, and the other forms like deja senti, but if anything, those events make me shed even more expectations, and believe in destiny less. Because even if everything happened perfectly in my life, and I reach the end of the line, one moment of deja vu can change that perspective entirely.

Shubham Kashyap (62) (@Wolve) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

“Free will exist only if you are able to control your own mind”

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