Mixing downers with psychs?

Heed them, HEthen (@heedthem) 8 years, 10 months ago

Hi there,
I wanted to see people’s experiences with mixing downers with psychedelics?

I want to go on a spiritual trip inward and meet my god self in order to answer more ultimately what I want to do in terms of my career and major for Spring Break. I want it for functional purposes, not recreation.

My problem is even as a seasoned tripper sometimes I can get that underlying discomfort and I want to feel totally relaxed as I intend to trip balls to achieve full OOBE.

I tried MXE (synthetic Special K) a number of times which invoked a feeling of calm/peace as well as tripping. And also have mixed Molly with muscle relaxers. I am comfortable with mixing.

Any helpers?

January 24, 2013 at 1:13 am
dr. hamsa (42) (@s7221919) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

No, improve your meditating sober, than next time your tripping start to meditate. Though it does depend on the substance. But k and cid don’t mix well in my experience.

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ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

kratom is an awesome mix in my experience with most psychs

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@heedthem, it doesn’t sound like a good idea to me….I’ve tripped on various things (shrooms, acid) after being drunk a couple times, if you consider alcohol a downer, and those trips always seemed to veer off into a scary direction, I kind of felt consumed and lost in my head…I felt everything was against me and several times had short-term, but severe, memory loss where I’d forget the significance of things, how to speak English, and even my own name. I’d just take psychs by themselves from now on.

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DaJetPlane (994)M (@lytning91) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@heedthem, I mean my best tripping experience was Lucy mixed with alcohol.

That’s something everybody says is a no-no but I had an excellent time and quite a bit of depth, despite the fact that people say it reduces/dampens the effect. In fact, my mind was in a unique place for that trip compared with any of the other tripping experiences I have had since, and definitely one I would recommend for others.

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Kazi (140) (@kazi) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

i remember one time when i had just come down from my shroom trip i had smoked some heroin and it was surprisingly a lot more mellow than usual. never done them together, and probably won’t since i don’t like heroin that much

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dr. hamsa (42) (@s7221919) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

It’s not as consistent when you mix I think, I candy flipped with alcohol once and it was great. Other folk however had a bad trip.

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ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@theskafish, I agree with the alcohol, cid lasts way longer and than alcohol and the depressant feeling 5-8 hours after drinking is not a good combo, waiting till later is a great idea tho forsure.

@s7221919, Ive had nightmarish experience candyflip with alcohol.. learned a hell of a lot about the darker side of reality ha ill never forget.

Kava kava is a good combo also with MAO activity that in theory can boost the psychedelia, I tried shrooms with yohimbe last weekend and that was rad! I love combos, kratom mix with yohimbe (great combo alone, kratom lasts alot longer with much less of a crash) and a psych is gonna be my next experiment. Its important to be comfortable and informed with each substance by itself before mixing it with something.

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PsYcheDeLiC (50) (@xavv) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@heedthem,

Why mix? take a higher dosage. Obvious answer.

5g’s shrooms don’t do it for you? take 7. Doesn’t do it for you ? Take 10.

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dr. hamsa (42) (@s7221919) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@heavydreamz, I know exactly what you mean dude. I was still able to enjoy it though.

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Heed them, HEthen (91) (@heedthem) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Got more responses than expected, lol

@s7221919, I agree I need to work on my meditating before this takes place, and that is my intention. However, my problem which I failed to explain very well is that when I do take psychs in a high dosage (especially varying in more extremes depending on the chemical), I get a very uncomfortable racing heart. As I want to feel as comfortable and serene as possible in this moment where I will be going further than ever before (even though I have very good mental control and grip on logic when on hallucinogens), I thought maybe a light dosage of downers would be a good idea.

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Heed them, HEthen (91) (@heedthem) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@heavydreamz, Doesn’t kratom add a sort of drunkenness feeling? I forget

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Heed them, HEthen (91) (@heedthem) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@theskafish, I am going to stay away from alcohol as much as physically possible when combining it with psychs. I meant more of a pill-induced calmness.
However, I have known several people to mix molly/alc and tripping/alc and they had a blast. I will never venture to figure that out. But to each their own.

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Heed them, HEthen (91) (@heedthem) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@kazi, @heavydreamz,
I agree with the general statements you made. I was most interested in some sort of pill-induced calm as I get extreme heart racing the higher dosage of hallucinogens I take and want to feel as composed and comfortable as possible. I’ll look into kava kava and kratom more

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Heed them, HEthen (91) (@heedthem) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@xavv, That’s pretty much the opposite I would suggest. As I want to experience a full on OOBE, that does cater to my interests to take a high dosage this time. However, my problem which I failed to elaborate on much in my OP was that I get extremely fast heart rates the higher dosage I go on all hallucinogens (with the single exception of MXE, but is already mimicking a tranquilizer) and while it does not give me a bad trip ever, it can cause me general discomfort. I want to feel as comfortable and and least heart-racing as possible. The heartrate is the only drawback to the high dosages I feel. I don’t want to feel that really high energy buzz, I want to feel the euphoria and extreme mental clarity and hallucinate my god self.

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Anonymous (78) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@heedthem, Ayahuasca will give you the inward journey you seek, provide clarity, answer the questions you ask. Her trips are gentle and she envelops you in a warm sensation which is cross between MDMA and xanax. Plus she’ll take you for a ride through the cosmos. She is functional ancient plant medicine and the all-in-one grail you seek. I truly hope you have an opportunity to experience her gnosis. I feel confident from your question that you will find the answers you seek. Love and light.

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ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@arenotlost, is probably right on with ayahuasca, @xavv, is also probably right about larger doses of one substance.

@heedthem, But if what you are looking for is a substance to put your mind in a comfortable place to enjoy your journey and be confident to fully explore your mind and evaluate your life.. kratom is what you are looking for.. its the shit, and fuck pills. Im obviously obsessed I think its a miracle medicine comparable to pot!
I always start with a lower dose, its way more stimulating if you take an amount that you would at first think wont do anything, but be careful not to take so much that you get the sedating effect there can be a crash involved, yes similar to alcohol, its definitely dependent on the strain. If you overdose it can trigger some serious nausea that will turn into bliss if you lay down stay calm and stop resisting it.. again like alcohol.
Its actually triggered a full blown ego collapse for me.. followed by a third eye experience, one of the most intense experiences I’ve had, one of the most cleansing as well. Ive never felt so calm or ‘present’ in my life.. psychedelic on its own.
Ive combined it with many psychs and its very synergetic, a large dose combined with rooms will give you a completely different trip than rooms alone, combined with cid is a fucking blast if your on a hike ..its a funny substance like weed, always giving you something new.. depending on your mindset, environment, other chemicals in your system etc. I like to take it after I peak because it makes the after party super fun, puts your mind in a place that your ready to explore anything inward or outward.. taking it before can actually cancel out some psychedelia though so timing is important.
Bali is one of the more common and affordable strains but in my experience the most consistent and euphoric.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@heedthem, maybe it’s just me, but pills don’t sound like a good idea either. I just don’t think pharmaceuticals are good for us.

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PsYcheDeLiC (50) (@xavv) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@heedthem,

Well then don’t do shrooms.

DMT, Salvia, Lysergic Acid.

Mixing psychedelics is not suggestible, and it tarnishes the novelty that it provides.

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Heed them, HEthen (91) (@heedthem) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@xavv, Didn’t say I was going to do shrooms, however DMT is pretty much unavailable to my area for now (the MHRB is pretty hard to get ahold of or people ask way way too high of a price). Salvia purported my first and mostly last OOBE derived from a substance, however I have grown too high in tolerance to it and it has ended up being a waste of money ever since.
Shrooms is too inconsistent, I need to spend the money only once and I will be spending a decent amount of pocket change. So I don’t want to bank on shrooms.

I will be doing pure LSD in a decent large dosage. I have never done such a pure acid, even though I am a seasoned tripper.
And what is the point of novelty? Novelty is kinda superficial in my opinion.

@theskafish, I agree pharms = harms. I pretty much outgrew them by age 20 and deny them when offered, even for free, but I have made the occasional exception for my acute back pain or similar instances. I guess my main concern was my discomfort from my high speed heart rate and wanted something to slow my heartrate.

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Heed them, HEthen (91) (@heedthem) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@arenotlost, I had this idea of going on a spiritual trip in the woods and talking to my god self for my birthday last September and Aya was the substance of choice then. However, it ended up not working in our favor to choose Aya at that time and I really wanted to not offend Lady Datura. It’s funny you say she gives gentle trips because I have heard the complete opposite. If I was to choose Aya, I wouldn’t want to mix since I hear she can be an envious spirit. Have you done it? Can you elaborate more on why you used the word “gentle?” I want the closest thing to what Aya trips have been illustrated as, but do have some fear :(

@heavydreamz, Hmm! I have read up on kratom some and it sounds like an interesting thing to have available in my more day to day. You say Bali? Is it pretty easy available where you are?

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Take mescaline, it provides comfort and psychedelic experience in the same compound.

This is a good compound for those of us with anxiety / discomfort.

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Heed them, HEthen (91) (@heedthem) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, I have done a low dosage of mescaline (actually it was just not very well extracted on our end), but it doesn’t seem to provide the OOBE I’m hoping to walk away with. Have you heard of instances where it did in high dosages?

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@heedthem, In high doses, if coupled with a rigorous spiritual setting and/or fasting, the most beautiful experiences I’ve ever heard about can occur with this compound…

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dr. hamsa (42) (@s7221919) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Buy the right plants (legally) and you can make your own dtm. I haven’t done so myself though.

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Heed them, HEthen (91) (@heedthem) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@s7221919, I can’t purchase the mimosa hostilis root bark, it’s illegal to get shipped around here now, sadly. It was in abundance but a few months ago. There are other plants, but I have done extensive research to find the potency and luck with those and find very few. Also, they don’t seem to be available either. It’s sad indeed.

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