Money and Life in the oncoming future.

Anonymous (@) 10 years, 1 month ago

I would like to draw a line where business, entrepreneurship, and nature need to merge, but I need help finding that fit.

With entrepreneurship comes business, and with business, comes money, and with money, well, a lot of baggage from centuries past comes as well. It breeds consumerism, wastefulness, and really we don’t respect money as we should. But that is our perception of money that creates the problem, money can always be used for good in non-wasteful ways, and in ways that benefit mankind.

So how is one to create a business while being conscious – always – of nature and preserving the earth? Creativity in entrepreneurship is at its peak – most of the biggest ventures in the world are capitalized on (i.e. natural resources). So, as we move into the next century, more businesses are either going to take advantage of the abundance of resources already made (recycling / reusing), or will be purely social (i.e. making a website like HE).

But – we all want financial freedom, in a world that is dictated by financial status and income, we, as a people aware of the slave-work and depressing conditions of working for a company you really care little for, strive to break away. Making your own business or starting your own website are the most likely options to obtain this financial freedom.

It is important, though, to remember that you are not doing this for yourself only, that others are intimately entwined with you – all your actions effect other people, and the larger your impacts are (i.e. the larger your business or website) the larger your effects will be.

So. I’d like to start a business, and I’d like i to reflect my ideologies of nature being important, so I’d like to start a greenhouse, having horticultural (main product), exotic species, and entheogens. I’d like to couple it with a forum for questions & answers and so forth.

But in doing so I’ve asked myself, multiple times, is this not just a greed? Will this really enable financial freedom – and if so, at what cost? What are the negative impacts that I will create – perhaps my exotic plant species may be invasive, perhaps they may be invasive removed from untouched forests. If it became large enough, would I simply not be contributing to a paradigm of consumerism? What benefits do I create?

Some of you have definitely expressed interest in starting your own businesses and I’d like to know how you feel about it, deep down. What keeps you from doing it, or what is really pushing you forward? What are you ideas about money & consumerism, wastefulness, and mindfulness of the chaotic effects of our impacts?

August 26, 2012 at 12:32 pm
RunnerBeneaththeSky (44) (@runnerbeneaththesky) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

Though I dislike corporations and the concept of money because of conspicuous consumption and the other factors that you mentioned, I think there is some middle ground that can be reached. I remember a book stating that a successful paradigm shift for future businesses would be to not only hold an obligation to their shareholders but also to their stakeholders. The stakeholders being the local community, the environment, and anyone or anything else that feels the positive or negative ramifications of their actions. I think if businesses emphasized empathy over profit than workers would be less prone to dissatisfaction in the work-place, though obviously this can’t apply to all jobs.

Anonymous (2,833) (@) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

@runnerbeneaththesky, Totally! I was writing down a while ago what I think is necessary to move forward with a government influenced capitalism;
(Let me see if I can find it)
Yes here it is (Ahem):
•Companies must be in the best interest of the individuals and the population.
**Companies with their best interest in self-profit and concentration of wealth, control, or power are to be examined and ruled as whether their intents are for the best of the individual and population.
•After revenue of a company reaches a critical point (not sure how I would define that), the company becomes a public affair and must be completely transparent.
•All major actions must become public knowledge of the company, and projects that affect general populations of people (construction of buildings / diverging of natural resources) can be allowed to be voted on.

A very basic idea but I think it would be necessary to evolve companies into meaningful, mindful practices.

It isn’t government run, but it would be government enforced. The general population is in charge of the dictations. Meh.. gets too complicated too quickly.

cheeky (76) (@cheeky) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

This is a great topic! Capitalism completely disregards the environment and I can completely relate to your concerns. Working for a Real Estate company, I have conflicted interests because we develop the environment etc. Fortunately, the company is great in other ways.

However, my biggest problem is finding a business that incorporates all facets of what I deem important. If you are feeling something; try not to focus on the “what-ifs”. This takes actual space and energy from what your vision could be. If you feel it, run with it. This could be your shot! If not, then you won’t have any regrets because you tried.

Personally, I think everything should be free, for everyone. These are planetary resources and should be used for the health and well being of everyone on it. If there was no money any longer, most people I know would still do something because you’d be bored off your ass if you weren’t challenged.

Can you imagine the resources that are used toward keeping track of money and sales? Its the most wasteful allocation of energy and does not even begin to address the environment. People bitch about “well he doesn’t work hard as I do so he doesn’t deserve what I have” Personally, I don’t really care how hard someone works or doesn’t work. We should only care if others are having a good life. If they are not, than I am concerned and want to help them.

In Managerial Economics, there is a concept called “The Point Of Diminishing Returns”. This is the point where adding too many resources begins to take away from the benefit that adding resources once did. It would seem this could be applied to most governmental and corporate entities. Were wasting too many resources with not enough practical outcome. What if we re-purposed those sales folks to be in R&D; What if we turned our military into nation builders; what if we inspired the welfare folks to be productive?

Additionally, as we are beginning to see, most things are becoming free in some form or another (entertainment, education, mechanized labor, etc). With so many things becoming free, I don’t see how it can be sustained long term.

Hope I didn’t get too far off topic :)

R.V. Star (151) (@rickvonstar) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

@cheeky, @ijesuschrist, I think that what consumers want from corporations will also have to change. If the corporations are forced to change their habits without a population that also has the same ideas in mind then the corporations are just going try to find loopholes to do business as usual in order to meet market demands. Unless the consumer evolves, I don’t think corporations and business in general will evolve either.

And of course, the consumer won’t evolve unless there is also a change in direction of the education and socialization process

i think this is on topic?

TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

@ijesuschrist, I absolutely agree with you on the fact that business needs to adapt itself realistically to the environment….what good will it do anyone if we can create technological marvels, but there isn’t anyone left to use them because we live on an uninhabitable planet?

I too want to start a business someday, mostly because I’ve been an employee and it sucks. I feel like I’m just in a 5-star jail, like I am a passenger in my own life and I can’t stand it. I want the decisions in my life to truly be made by me, not dictated to me by a boss or a job. I feel that if I were in control, I’d be directly responsible for my paycheck and thus more motivated to actually care enough to do a good job, whereas when I was an employee, I cared only as much as I was required to and not an iota more. Ultimately, I’d like to find a way to make enough money quickly to retire as soon as I can, not because I am greedy but because I want control of my life back. I want to be done with making money, so I can move on to actually enjoying my (most likely) one and only existence.

cheeky (76) (@cheeky) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

@theskafish, what do you enjoy doing?

Anonymous (2,833) (@) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

@rickvonstar, Yeah… education of the masses before change of the business occurs.

@theskafish, Yes sir!

TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

@cheeky, eh, that’s a tough question. My favorite things to do in life thus far have been unstructured play, reading, and learning new things.

Troy (9) (@illusionist) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

@cheeky, Regarding a certain part of what you said, “Additionally, as we are beginning to see, most things are becoming free in some form or another (entertainment, education, mechanized labor, etc). With so many things becoming free, I don’t see how it can be sustained long term.”

I completely agree with the above however my big concern is that our system (I am referring to the U.S., my country) still does not seem like it is going to change.

Jobs continue to be lost (aka due to the mechanized labor you mention and do not say well go to college and change your path bro! because for many it is simply not an option with children and years spent working in these types of jobs.) I know the “National statistics” say we have somewhat reached a median point of loss, but I still see many people struggling in my local community (We are a middle-low average income place, which is obviously the vast majority of our country and where the actual hurting takes place imo) Or worse your average job has become very competitive and hard to find due to the shrinking amount of actual labor and people that is needed. Now I understand that to over saturate is just as worse in a business, market etc… but what the hell do we do?

Here however is where I disagree with you. The price for goods (i.e. tv, phone, electricity, water bills just about anything other then the social entertainment that can be pirated online for free continues to have a cost and it doesn’t seem like that will ever change.

I dont know how to describe what I am trying to put in words but I feel like our society (American Capitalism again) is in a very awkward stage, like we have one foot backwards (Things still cost money but it has become more and more difficult to extract money from the system, even though we have multi-billionaires who probably wont spend all their money in their lifetime) and one foot trying as hard as possible to move forward (The positive things you mentioned earlier in your post)

(Sorry to continue editing this but @theskafish is a pretty good example of what I mean.) Our society only seems to deem certain services of value to be actually paid money for (aka, why some people hate doing what they do but they have to put food on the table)

Troy (9) (@illusionist) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

Sorry for the double post, but how many of us can all go and create websites and become financially free? How many HE websites do we need before people stop using all of them and prefer to stay on one, big trusted site (i.e. Facebook dominating other social websites) Or as many of you like to say “Start a business” (Whatever the fuck that means, how do you even go about starting a service in a poor/middle class area where the people are more concerned with getting money to feed the family and pay bills)

cheeky (76) (@cheeky) 10 years, 1 month ago ago


I completely agree with you here. Society is not addressing these known needs and , my fiance reminded me today, that things will not change until there is a huge social outcry for change. Historically, shes right. We cant blame the president or the political system; they were sworn to uphold it. Its up to the people to drive change.

Seperate, we are not strong, but together we are! Folks need to start looking at what we have in common instead of which looser candidate we hate more. Thats our biggest problem and , as recient events have revealed, we are slowly moving towards a massive awakening of truth. If like minded people work together we can accomplish anything!!!!

We all like to learn, we all like to have fun and I am done with people telling us we have to fit into a fucking bubble to be “successful”. People have great gifts and capitalistic culture hoards and exploits, not nurture and shares. This is the new paradigm and slowly but surely we will watch the old collapse and transition into something with dignity for our elders, children and ourselves.

We are all significant and in this together. Until the masses understand this, its you and me helping one person at a time to see the light :) So much progress is being made though, its truly an inspiring time to live! I’m really glad the younger generation is pissed off because you should be!

Just do what you like to do and the rest should take care of itself. What do you want for yourself? What do you deem important in your life that you are having trouble achieving?? And, how old are you?

sorry for the rant but im tired :P Love you guys!

TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

@illusionist, “Sorry for the double post, but how many of us can all go and create websites and become financially free? How many HE websites do we need before people stop using all of them and prefer to stay on one, big trusted site (i.e. Facebook dominating other social websites)”

I don’t know, but actually, I think a lot of us can go this route. I am strongly considering it myself, for several reasons: one, unless our technology regresses the internet is not going away, two, building a business with physical resources and locations is very expensive whereas you can run a web-based business out of your own home, and three, you only need to differentiate yourself a little bit to be successful. Look at Facebook, Myspace, and Twitter for example: all are social networks but each works in a slightly different way. Facebook specializes in connections between people, event planning, and promotion in the form of “Likes” while Myspace I feel is better for promoting bands, because I find it easier to listen to the songs there than on Facebook. And while I know Myspace is pretty much getting clobbered by Facebook, I’m sure it is worth quite a bit and its top people could cash out at any given time and walk away financially free. Then you’ve got Twitter, which I admit I don’t know much about since I don’t use it but it seems to me like it is more focused on finding things relevant to the individual than Facebook, and more interactive between businesses and customers.

And then you’ve got smaller, niche websites like HE, which have only a fraction of the viewers and users than the other sites I mentioned. But I’m sure Jordan’s doing just fine for himself. You don’t have to be a colossal force to be financially successful…I think a lot of people have that idea, and it intimidates them. I know I felt that way for a while myself. And then, you don’t have to try to live lavishly with the money you make either, you just have to prioritize and find out how to make a little money go a long way. For me, I would much rather have my freedom not to work than have a mansion or exotic cars all the while working and stressing myself into an early grave. Don’t get me wrong, I am by no means Mr. Capitalism…..but I’m going to try to look for a way out of this mire instead of getting stuck in it. Like I said, I’ve been an employee….I’ll be damned if I’ll be one forever.

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