My Christian Friend Thinks I'm Closed Minded

Aizen (@aizen) 8 years, 9 months ago

As the title says my friend has been trying to convince me that Jesus truly is the son of God and rose from the dead, however; I found proof that this is not the only religion that has done this. I’m not finished on my spiritual journay or my search for truth but I want to focus on other areas of my life, areas that will grow me as an individuel and help accomplish the things I desire. I have everything going for me and I’m creating a group for college kids to help them chase there bliss and teach them/ inspire them to chase there goals and dreams. He is a good friend but doesn’t understand that this “knowing if jesus was the son of god” is not a big deal in my life at the moment. Am i close minded for thinking this way? I could really use the awesome HEthens on here on this one.

February 21, 2013 at 5:57 am
Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@aizen, I’m Christianish but Jesus-son of God risen from the dead is irrelevant, the real miracle is what he taught about love, I don’t even give a shit if all that other stuff is real, I don’t need any promises to motivate me to do what I think is right, that comes freely from the heart.

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Aizen (21) (@aizen) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@trek79, I said the same thing! I feel like were never going to truly know the rise from the dead fact so its not a huge focus of my life right now, in the future it may be but those kind of questions I don’t feel the need to search right now. Thank you for your input its very encouraging!

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Tom (187) (@scott3600) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

He is the closed minded one, following a religion because he was brought up to believe it is true. Fully believing he is correct and all other religions are wrong, fully believing there is a God and not being open to the fact he is wrong. And denying all scientific evidence and logic and reasoning which shows he is likely incorrect.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@scott3600, Quantum physics has shown that the universe functions, at its most fundamental level, on an infinite variable, scientists who are more likely to find out if God exists or not now admit that what they have found could be described as God, just not the typical interpretation, God is an absolute, the universe works on an absolute principle: Infinity=Divinity.
@aizen, The only begotten son thing is really all about faith, placing Jesus as the Prince of the universe is meant to encourage people to observe his teaching more zealously, but they may have over-sold it somewhat. The faith factor is only vital in the faith department, the teachings of love are practical in real life and the faith factor primarily depends on an honest attempt to practice the love factor.

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Tom (187) (@scott3600) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@trek79, But the God you are talking about is not the same God as Christians believe and all the dogma which comes with it, the Christian God is like any other religious God, made up just to control people and make people feel better about life.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@scott3600, And they promote moral conduct, but point taken. But religions aren’t bad, it is Theocratic institutions that give it a bad name, religion is just when you take morals, ethics and virtues and try to promote them, usually it has a metaphysical aspect to encourage it, but not always. Your aggrovation with religion only stems from religious leaders manipulating the public and changing the meanings of principles to justify their control and dictatorship.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@scott3600, I mean, things like Star-trek and Star-Wars are allegedly legit religions, but they don’t have Deities except perhaps characters from the shows, but they have moral principle guidelines. Just sayn, be sure not to typecast or generalize religions, know the distinction between religion and Theocracy.

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Anonymous (119) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Christian’s accusing of close-mindedness. Oh the irony.

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PeaceRiot (178) (@peaceriot) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@aizen, Have him watch The hidden human history on youtube. It’s a hypothesis. But it may or may not get his gears turnin.

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Alex (141)M (@alexishungry) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@aizen, I’ve edited your title. In the future please avoid using all caps. https://www.highexistence.com/topic/faq-how-to-use-highexistence/

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Alex (141)M (@alexishungry) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@aestheticbrah, Generalizing all Christians as being closed-minded seems closed-minded to me. OP’s friend I would say is definitely closed-minded.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@peaceriot, I loved that link, you should consider creating a thread that we could discuss it on, as I personally want to comment but I don’t want to hijack this thread.

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Anonymous (119) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@alexishungry, Whenever you select ONE religion out of a whole worldwide multitude, you’ve already closed your own mind by not accepting any others not even as partially ‘true’. Don’t even try to be condescending with me.

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PeaceRiot (178) (@peaceriot) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@trek79, The topic has been bumped. Discuss away!

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Aizen (21) (@aizen) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

This was awesome! Thank you guys so much for your help @peaceriot, @aestheticbrah, @trek79, @alexishungry, @scott3600, This has really helped! I have just come to the conclusion that just because I don’t put a specific religion as my main focus does not make me close minded. I have been very open minded and witnessed both sides of the spectrum and I would have struggled to realize that had i not been for you guys thank you!

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I believe in a lot of things, I just have it filed according to relevance. I think faith is irrelevant if you do not have love in your heart, when you approach law you do it in a spirit that best conforms with compassion and consideration.
I believe in quantum physics, Phi spirals, the Golden Ratio, the Fibonacci sequence, a common source of all existence that can be attained in the ultimate discipline of consciousness, where time becomes non-linear and space becomes non-local.
Of that, I still believe in everything Jesus taught and one of the many things he taught was the Ressurection, so technically I’m Christian, but I dabble in philosophies and matters of faith not exclusive to Christianity.
I will only go to Hell in the eyes of a closeminded person :)
(oh, I don’t believe in Hell)

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Kip Goeing (91) (@kipgoeing) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

The way I see it, religions are like martial arts styles. You chose one and put your faith in its ability to help you grow into a top tier fighter. Christian people often think that their religion is the best or only religion that really works. But we can see that people from many different martial arts backgrounds have been able to become great fighters. It reminds me of Jet Li’s Fearless. They were always arguing about whose wushu style was best. It took Hiu Wan Jia a really long time to realize what really matters is an individual’s dedication to the discipline. It’s not about proving to others that your style is better than theirs; it’s about having direction and mastery of self. That’s how religion should be.

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PeaceRiot (178) (@peaceriot) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@aizen, your welcome my brotha.

chew awn diss if you will.

What other people think about you is none of your business.

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DeepWithin (120) (@deepwithin) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@kipgoeing, Yeah, but not really. It’s pretty clear that somethings just aren’t true – like i.e. some religions. We’ve outgrown many religions and spiritual views through our history and chances are that we’re probably gonna outgrow some more; if not all(?).

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DeepWithin (120) (@deepwithin) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

oh.. and the irony of this post: “My Christian Friend Thinks I’m Closed Minded”.
Get it? huh? huh? Get it? huh?

Huh?

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Kip Goeing (91) (@kipgoeing) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@deepwithin, Some things aren’t true, but I don’t think that’s is the point of the religion, to be true, that is. If your goal is just to find literal and provable truth, you should turn to science rather than religion. Religion is supposed to help you find peace, fortitude, and self mastery. Science was never meant to accomplish such things.

I like to think that, originally, religion was not meant to be taken so literally. It was an imagination exercise. Perhaps the masters realized the highest level of imagination is Actual belief, so they strived to earn the esteemed title of “believer”.

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Aizen (21) (@aizen) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@kipgoeing, That is an awesome way to think! I feel that same way, if it helps you grow and makes you a better person with out hurting anyone or anything go for it and if you want to truly find out what you believe or what truths are out there then search, I just choose my energies and focus on other things at the moment. @peaceriot, Holy awesome way to think! @deepwithin, Very true I will be interested to see how science and the world views change in the coming centuries. @trek79, Very well thought out, I will one day have a firm grasp of what I believe like you in time.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@deepwithin, What is or isn’t true for sure? How do we know what is possible and what is impossible? We as humanity have an incredibly miopic view of the universe, individual humans even more so. There is not a single human who knows more than what mankind does, yet look how fucked up mankind is, no doubt even the best of us are dismal when it comes to knowing the line between the possible and the impossible.
The best we can hope for is to focus on what humanity and the planet can benefit from, just maybe we can make a decent impact toward what is relevant to that aim.

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Alex (141)M (@alexishungry) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@aestheticbrah, What if I’ve eaten at every burger joint but I decide that Burger King is my favorite, so I only eat burger king. Does that make me closed-minded?

Settling on one religion does not make you closed-minded. In my opinion, yes, growing up with one religion and strictly adhering to it without considering others, is. But just because someone decides to believe a certain one does not mean they’re closed-minded.

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KevinSG (105) (@flyingrhino) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@kipgoeing, *tear* that was beautiful *applause*. I’ve never read a metaphor that i agreed more with on a personal level.

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