Nature is complicated

Anonymous (@) 8 years, 9 months ago

Nature is complicated. Its far more complicated than a meager human brain can fathom. I hope you all understand this.

It is one thing to say “Things are not black and white.”
But it is another to say “Nothing is truly grey.”

That is, nothing is truly individual, or reductionist. There is nothing in the universe that is not influence by something else. This is why nobody has created something at absolute Zero Kelvin, because zero kelvin is an asymptote of perfection, never to be achieved, but can continuously be strived for.

To make this post worthwhile to HE I want you all to realize that there is no political Yes/No scenarios. There is no black and white, and its difficult to even say there is a grey, because that would indicate that there is only 2 objectives.

Things are complicated. No matter how simple you want to make things out to be, they are more complicated. An atom does not behave like raw matter, it behaves like a wave. Much like a political decision is not separated from hundreds of thousands of influences. For example (and this is not specific!) Obama’s political decisions are never just his own, they are foundations on which he was born, raised, and trained in – and so it is with all of us as well. Our defiance of things is also a consequence of the same exact influences.

We cannot blame anything on one person, just as we cannot attribute art to a single entity. Picasso was a genius in art, but would be no where if he was born in 1640. Much the same Hitler was a “Something” but would have gotten nowhere if he was born in 2012. We are products of our time, products of our generation, and products of our influences.

That is directly saying that no one is directly responsible for bringing ideas to the world. Nobody is direcly responsible for anything, they are responsible for little other than what they were given. And given the diverse range of influences by all men and women, we cannot possibly say that any single person, or even a single small group is responsible for anything.
If you killed Hitler [when young], would hatred for jews subside? I argue no. Perhaps the holocaust would have not happened, but it is difficult to say.

In the end, please. Stop making posts with only links to an opinion-oriented blog. Please write something meaningful and from YOU. I don’t give a shit to read a reporter’s opinion, they get paid for it so it is biased. You don’t, so we have a chance to discuss.

March 2, 2013 at 3:06 am
Anonymous (68) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, i would say that everything is very simple, but looking from a larger scale (our perspective) we give to massive groups of atom (but atoms from ancient philosophy) meaning and find regularities and patterns of movement etc. This is just how i see it :P

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Matthew (1,127) (@ojai) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, good read. Especially just waking up. You know what’s funny about this though? Everything is extremely complicated and intricate buuuuuut this probably isn’t even nearly the tipping point of how complicated the universe really is.

I would like to say imagine it but thatd be silly. To think how far (or not far we’ve come depending on how you view it) and it’s already THIS complicated. Well, damn, all I can do is wonder. Wonder about things that I can’t even fathom. That nobody could really fathom, I believe. Hence why we know just as much as we do.

Question for now….

As we progress is the universe getting more complicated or more simple with each and every one of our discoveries?

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Matthew (1,127) (@ojai) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I meant to say more complicated or more simple. >.>

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Anonymous (251) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, Yes to this thread. I have kind of come to the conclusion that I know fucking nothing, yeah really pretty much nothing. This is all beyond even the smallest amount of comprehension. Which really, is sweet if you think about it. Knowing that you can’t comprehend shit no matter how hard you try, well it stops you from stressing out about ‘being right’…and you realise that the things you’re trying to be right about…well, they either don’t fucking matter, at all. Or you feel like you want to be right about something and find out every possible bit of information you can about it.

Yeah ‘look what this guy says’ isn’t coming to your own conclusion. It’s reading something, liking it, and then acting as if you’ve come to your own conclusion. It’s a good move, we’ve probably all done it, but it’s too easy.

@ojai, I feel like it’s only going to get more complicated. But in a good way. There will be more sides to the coin than ever. With every discovery there is more chance for discovery. I don’t know if discoveries will ever stop. We will always want more. Maybe though, there is one ultimate point where everything can be discovered and it’s all so simple. That could be boring though :)

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Anonymous (512) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist,

“It is one thing to say ‘Things are not black and white.’
But it is another to say ‘Nothing is truly grey.'”

Crucial distinction. Ironically enough, I was talking about this exact topic last night with a buddy of mine.

Would you agree or disagree that there everything (that we can comprehend) is robed in either action or inaction? I came to the conclusion that there is, in fact, a black and white. And this is because everything comes down to having either happened, or not happening. A grey would seem to suggest that everything in existence is in a sort of hiatus, which may seem plausible to some I guess. I feel that “grey matter” is a sort of construct though. Maybe it’s just me.

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Anonymous (130) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I agree, there is a distinction between saying that nothing is absolute and that nothing is absolutely relative. I also agree on the idea that nature is relative.

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Caleb McCoy (111) (@cjmccoy93) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, Yes, dude! I love your posts, man and I couldn’t agree more with this one.

@ojai, It seems to me that the more we know, the more we realize that we actually know nothing. Does that make sense?

@optimystic, So you distinguish black and white by dividing that which has happened and that which hasn’t? Y’now, quantum mechanics say that even if you don’t choose to do something (or make it happen), that choice to not do something actually creates another universe where you do choose to do it (or make it happen). Therefore everything that could have possibly happened, actually HAS happened. Its just in its own universe/reality. So in my opinion, I don’t think there is a black and white even in regards to whether or not things happen

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VIII (34) (@triplemind) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, living IS complicated just as surgery or creating beauty. but surgery is just a memorisation of different parts and prepared knowledge to keep them functioning – its the opposite of creating a fine art in the sense that the viewer and the artist expect something new. if i get surgery i want to leave feeling like i used to but i want a movie or album or gallery to kind of change who i am or at least exposing something new inside me. as different as these activities are, mastering either takes patient effort.

the nature of living and dying though complicated takes practice to master – and as every human is a product of its environment – different forms of masters may coexist both in life and memory or recorded expressions, each representing equal but different … colors if you will. but those colors do have a root. the unifyed everything be it preset or conscious gives us many systems from the anatomy of man to the musical scale, the different sciences are all arts to master. and i think the smoothest yet inevidably complicated way to live is mimicing a personified creator. no not someone elses definition though we musnt block exterior influence- we filter what we are given both internal and from nature because trust takes effort to not be a lazy absolute. effort in the form of addition subtraction and overall balanced.
word up on the less links too.

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I was seriously intoxicated when I wrote this. Do not remember writing this.

haha, all great responses though.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Well its either incredibly complicated beyond comprehension, or its so incredibly simple that it is incomprehensible.

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Anonymous (25) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, Great article….for me Human nature is most complicated stuff in the universe lolz…

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