New Age?

Sunchild (@ChildofSol) 7 years, 3 months ago

It seems like a good amount of the material I’ve viewed (here) falls back on concepts like the Law of Attraction. The universe will give you what you wish if you merely focus hard enough. If you aren’t getting what you wish, then you obviously aren’t focusing hard enough.

I believe that this concept has some psychological value in some cases, but it’s little more than hope on steroids. It’s also extremely selfish to believe that the universe would alter itself just for you. Of course, you are a component of the universe, but the aggregate is really quite impartial. I don’t believe that it is somehow wrong to live according to one’s ego, but to go that far is something else…

Do you believe in the Law of Attraction? That you can have literally whatever you wish, irrespective of your current limitations, if only you fill your mind with “like energy”?

People are free to believe what they wish, but in order to create more dynamic profiles of who populates this beautiful place, I need this kind of information. Hell, you might even convince me.

October 22, 2014 at 12:19 pm
Anonymous (12) (@) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

Yeah, I have tested and used my own version but as you said, it is selfish, and in a world filled with narcissistic selfish greedy people not sure we need more of this, and you? Here how about I challenge all of you. When was the last time you gave yourself to a cause? I’m talking about giving yourself towards the advancement of others. Can any of you understand this logic or is it so foreign to you there is zero comprehension? Im a wonderin.

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Sunchild (1) (@ChildofSol) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

I devote myself daily to ensuring that people be the most informed that they can be, starting with their misconceptions. It makes me feel wondrous to know that I’m empowering people with knowledge they didn’t have before. Not really a challenge, but a compulsion.

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Anonymous (12) (@) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

Outstanding, many need to find this zone you speak about. Many will begin to hear the calling soon, when we begin to see an exodus of people straying away from the self centered and an embracing of being of service to others, there is simply no better gift than to give ones services to another human being. Are you being?

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Anonymous (12) (@) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

It’s more that it reprograms your self-concept so that you become suited for your deepest longing.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

People who go into detail about the Law of Attraction will tell you that it also requires action, or, in biblical terms, faith without works is dead. The point is, good things do come to you if you focus on them, but you also have to act.

Also, keep in mind that we as human beings have no direct experience of reality. There is no such thing as color, sound, distance-space etc. in the underlying reality we exist in. All of these concepts are created for you inside your brain in response to sensory data. Immanuel Kant was the first person to really touch on this, the 18th century German philosopher. A good introductory book to understanding this is “From Science to God” by Peter Russell

You are not a component of the universe. The entire universe of your awareness from birth to death takes place solely in your mind. There is no “out there” that you can ever perceive as a human being. That is all an illusion. Its a pattern your mind creates for you from the underlying unknown reality we exist in, what Kant called the noumenon.

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Sunchild (1) (@ChildofSol) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

Oh, I had the misconception that we had people who were sensitive and open to others’ perspectives here. Fine. I’ll do it. You forced my hand, buddy. I am an outright solipsist, an extreme skeptic. The only objectivity I believe in is that I must be something. After all, I’m thinking. I can’t be certain you exist. I could draw it up as far more complex than it is, but there’s no point. Even if a brain is objectively real, the 5 senses can very easily be decieved. My mind is a painter and the the universe is the canvas. The paint is my conscious experience. However, I am not willfully painting. I am merely observing what my mind has constructed for me. But isn’t it interesting how extreme skeptics like you and I claim to know such absolute truth while tossing out others’ perspectives? Kind of ironic. Anyhow, since I’ve no control, even if I am the creator of this universe whose origin is my mind, it isn’t exactly like lucid dreaming. Things don’t just pop into existence because I wish for them to, or even put in effort . Some things are out of reach.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

We don’t really know anything about the reality we exist in. I’m not claiming I have absolute truth, just the opposite. I’m saying no one has absolute truth.

What I’m saying is, we cannot know, do not know what reality is because we don’t have any direct experience of it. Everything we think is “real” is just how our brain interprets electro-chemical signals it receives from our senses. Its all second-hand knowledge.

I’m actually not a skeptic Sunchild. I enjoy science, I have two science degrees. But I also have religious beliefs. I believe the Law of Attraction viewpoint is valid.

If anything, you could say I’m the complete opposite of a skeptic. When people ask me what I believe, I say, “Everything.”

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Sunchild (1) (@ChildofSol) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

Saying “we don’t really know anything about the reality we exist in” is a truth claim. That’s why I said it’s ironic. To say “no one has absolute truth” is a truth claim. Truth claims are inescapable, like quicksand. Not that it really matters, because that’s just boiling it down to semantics.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

By “truth claim” you seem to be suggesting that its a belief. Its not. Its just a basic fact. Our brain interprets what our senses feed to it.

But everything that takes place in the brain is generated in the brain. Light frequencies are assigned the concept of “color” by the brain, but “color” does not really exist. The same with every other sensory experience.

Our senses are just detecting electromagnetic waves and our brains reconstruct them into images, sounds, spatial perception, even the passage of time. Physics has proven that space and time are relative now, so we know they are not fundamental aspects of nature like the speed of light is.

I’m simply saying here that this is not open to interpretation. Everything we sense in the brain is an interpretation of an unknown underlying reality – a reality that we can never “know” as human beings. Its just a fact.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

LoA has been discussed many times on HE. Be sure to check out some of the older threads using the search function. You’ll come across some descent answers.

It means different things to different people. Similar to god, it really depends on how it’s defined. I think the one thing that stays consistent regardless of definitions is the emphasis on the mind. Our mindset and the thoughts that accompany it play a huge role in the carrying out of our lives. They’re the bases for how our perception of reality is shaped and molded. Altering your mindset or outlook will inevitably have an effect on your life.

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Sunchild (1) (@ChildofSol) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

You are correct.This is indisputable. I do believe that altering your perception will alter your reality. I find quarrel with the notion that people believe they can do things that literally aren’t possible as far as empirical evidence is concerned. For example, many of those who believe in LoA think that before opening an envelope they got in the mail, if they think it’s going to be a bill, it’ll be a bill. If they focus on it being a check, it will be a check. The idea that the world magically transforms to give you exactly what you wish is entirely separate from the idea that you can make your reasonable dreams come true if you change yourself in a way that is compatible with those dreams. The latter is definitely possible, but the former is New Age hogwash. Suffice it to say that the LoA works to help you achieve things that are within reason. Interestingly enough, Anton LaVey acknowledged that his “magic” ceremonies as described in the Satanic Bible functioned off of a similar principle: a change in the mind leading to a change in the world.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

it just depends on what we manifest into our reality. i am _____________ . the end.

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Anonymous (17) (@) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

OMG it’s extremely selfish to believe what you wish.

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Sunchild (1) (@ChildofSol) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

Depending on how powerfully you think you can influence the universe with menial wishes(aka how much you think the world revolves around you), yes.

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Sunchild (1) (@ChildofSol) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

And that doesn’t mean I think selfishness is immoral. It is what it is, nothing more.

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Anonymous (17) (@) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

If your wish was the world to revolve around you and you influence the universe to wish for nothing in return, it would make pretty inconsistent revolutions. You’ll get nauseous and die with a dreidel for a head. The world indeed revolves around everyone according to their wishes but no wish lasts for too long. Intentions last longer than wishes, even after acting upon them.

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Sunchild (1) (@ChildofSol) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

Ah. Well, I think I have a better picture of how you think, now. Thanks for sharing (:

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Sunchild (1) (@ChildofSol) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

Actually, I’ve more to ask. Do you believe in magic? If you do, please define what you mean by magic. To me, in many of its forms, LoA is a magical concept insofar as it has the capacity to break the laws of physics or alter reality. That’s just an example, though, from my perspective. I want to hear more of yours.

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Anonymous (17) (@) 7 years, 1 month ago ago

Uh.. oh. I just now saw this. I am one distracted man. What’s LoA?

I believe in human energy… that’s kind of what I call magic. Maybe Chi? Also in musical magic. Specifically music because it feels like a visualization of human energy through the science of frequency and vibration in the most unique way for everyone? That came out more awesome than I expected.

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Irina (21) (@psyhe) 7 years, 1 month ago ago

LoA = Law of Attraction. Took me a while to figure it out :)))))

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Alex (63) (@alexsabus) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

There has been many beliefs connected to the New Age. LOA is nothing more than changing your psychological mindset and emotions, thereby aligning yourself to focus on your goal completely utilizing your complete human potential to achieve your goal.

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 7 years, 1 month ago ago

I made a comment in the thread “Does (Magick) really work?” and this law of attraction is the main reason that for most of us it doesn’t. What we normally wish for deep down in our heart (being stained by the ego) in most cases…is almost never a yearning for our true existence even if we like to tell ourselves that we know God, and even more so if we tell our self that we are God. The latter only makes us think we deserve our desires to be full filled all the more. Hence, all the more of our self standing in the way of this would-be truth. I hope this may kill 2 or 3 birds with 1 stone. : )

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Irina (21) (@psyhe) 7 years, 1 month ago ago

Why is it selfish to believe / ask the universe for something, it’s not like it can focus on just one person at a time? (unless you wish for something that implies others / the whole world, like, i wish this world extinct or something :)) )

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Irina (21) (@psyhe) 7 years, 1 month ago ago

I’m not really able to give an answer, if I believe or not in the Law of Attraction. So imma just ‘narrate’ from my experience/s. For as long as I can remember, things / events / people somehow found their way to me. I have always had this sense of… flow… I can’t really describe it. ‘Being at peace with the Universe and feeling its energy flow through you freely’, I dunno. Stuff that I wished for happened or came into my life, but not through being focused but through this flow thingie. There was a period when I wished for *very* specific stuff that very soon just popped into my life, in such detail that it was eerie. (I won’t say more; I know, very convenient :)) ). Anyway, I kinda stopped doing that (because of reasons). But it still happens, answers to my thoughts, wishes and needs just appearing. I’m not looking for any explanation, I know the mind sees what it wants to see and yada yada… (it’s not about that, though). Well, no, I think I have to ‘explain’ something: I know for a fact that if you’re really negative, chances are slim you’re going to approach your wishes (maybe you’re not seeing the opportunities under your nose etc). Also, ‘negative’ people tend to encounter negative people (of course their perception weighs a lot), and ‘positive’ people tend to, even randomly, bump into amazing people (and of course a positive person is more open to seeing the good side in other people, so there’s that, too)… from what I’ve seen, at least.

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 7 years ago ago

Alot becomes clear when we realize that there is the universe, and then there is the personal universe.
The macrocosm and the microcosm. When we change the microcosm, even though the macrocosm changes slightly… other microcosms are not effected profoundly in any way. If you sit at home and become a christ or a buddah, or whatever form of an enlightened being you like to call it… the person next door won’t know any different. The group soul of the planet will raise a notch, yes, but the guy next door remains the same until he or she becomes as such.

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