New idea for politics and the money…?

Mitchel9997 (@mitchel9997) 8 years, 9 months ago

The thought crossed my mind, and well i had to share it with my fellow HEthens.

Right now politicians are paid ridiculous amounts of money, because it is considered an important job. However many of them are corrupt and so on, so what if we cut their pay check down a bit? I think those who really care about the issues and fixing them would come forward and those who are in it for the money would back out and maybe just maybe we can set our country on a better path then the one we’re headed down.

Opinions and Ideas??

February 15, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Anonymous (22) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

This is very true. The politicians have been bought by businesses and for the most part, don’t really care about the money. They tend to care about the power and “importance” of their role in society.

We need to go back to the time when politicians were in office once or twice; not their whole lives.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@mitchel9997, They really don’t get ridiculous ammounts of money. CEOs get ridiculous ammounts of money. In my country, Australia, our Prime Minister (=President) got $350,000 last year, the CEO of the Commonwealth bank got $16 Million, tell me it is harder to run a bank than it is to run a country. The U.S is the same, Pres gets shit compared to running a big industry or corporation.
The way the Republic worked best was when Senators(reps of people) were the most elite in society, corruption came when other people in society over took them and started to be able to tempt them. If politicians had everything they could possibly want (as long as it is in reason, like you don’t let them have sex with children etc) then corruption would be gone and they could even pay for initiatives themselves rather than selling their integrity to the rich faceless sectors of society.

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yoinkie (1,498)C (@yoinkie) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@trek79, Companies make a lot of money, hence they compensate their leaders so well. Country leaders dont work to make money, they work to make change. And their paychecks come out of the pocket of taxpayers. You cant compare the two. Its the same argument as saying profesional athletes shouldnt be paid so much; they get paid because they attract the audiance which makes the teams money, and hence they should be compensated as such.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@yoinkie, I stand by my point, if the only thing our representative had to gain or feared to lose was our vote then there would be no corruption.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@yoinkie, The only real problem would be in them choosing between pleasing us and actually doing the right thing by us, even if it doesn’t have our popular support at the time.

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yoinkie (1,498)C (@yoinkie) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@trek79, sorry I’m running a bit sluggish today. What exactly was your point again?

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@yoinkie, For a start, governments make decisions that help the economy as well as social programs, people forget that, I actually see that generally governments are doing a good job under the circumstances because I factor in economic considerations, most people only consider their own direct advantage.
So you want a point: learn more before you sling hatred, people treat politicians like they treat gays and blacks, they see the surface and decide they don’t like it.
There are many posts where I have dropped my opinions on how things should be set up, I am really quite over repeating myself.

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yoinkie (1,498)C (@yoinkie) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@trek79, Nah im with you all the way on that. I have no ill-will towards our government. I feel the term system brings forth most of the corruption. Having a 2-4 year term, I feel politicians start thinking about their careers more then what is asked from them. Hell, even the presidency the president took 8 months to go on a campaign trail, when I feel he should have been working on our country instead. Congress, lean a certain way or favor the majority because they fear their job security. They play favorites. Other then that, I get pissed off when people blame their problems on the government, that does so much for them. Not a lot of people take the time to research what the government actually does before they start spewing their mouths off.

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Nakedape (112) (@nakedape) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@mitchel9997, Yes we should absolutely get money out of politics. We should also consider changing our entire socioeconomic system.

– Economy: Infinite Growth to Steady-state
– Business: Competition to Collaboration
– Markets: Dispersed to Planned
– Work: Human Labor to Automation
– Property and Money: Private Property/Currency to Strategic Access
– Government: Lawyers/Politicians to Technocrats/Scientists/People
– Product Design: Planned Obsolescence (i.e. new product models every year) to Strategic Design/Long-lasting Products

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Anonymous (46) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@mitchel9997, many people work on the concepts of social currency to address such topics. I have heard of many trying to play with the perception how the value can be seen, transparant if you like.

A good example is the known bitcoin, which in itself could surface money that can’t be tracked in obscure banks. Or things like parallel value, index approached like in the stock exchange. An interesting concept arises when we enter a more information openess society which allowes quicker opinion forming and the need for control of the masses.

A good example is the concepts to to realtime participation in politics which is a company votizen I believe or think about indexing politicians where constant quick voting becomes a viable option. Other things that are interesting is empire avenue which tries to make the communication impact of individuals sharable, a game exchange sort of.

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@mitchel9997, This is new?

And the president doesn’t get paid squat (in his paycheck) in comparison to a professional athlete or a CEO, or even some doctors…

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@trek79, see, I don’t think giving politicians everything they want will help. If they get everything they want, they’ll have nothing to work for. They’ll know that no matter how badly they do, or how little they do, they’ll get rewarded anyway. This is the problem with highly paid contract workers, just like CEOs. They know they’re going to get what they want regardless because it’s in their contract, so they really have no incentive to do well except their personal morality, but do we really want to trust that? They are just people, after all, and people get lazy, greedy, self-serving, or distracted. They get fired after a year? Big deal, their golden parachutes are enough to ensure they’ll never have to work again. I think that’s the biggest problem with the crises today. The politicians that we trust to come up with solutions are all filthy-rich, our problems are not their problems. They know no matter what happens they’ll always be able to afford quality health care and put gas in their car. And they don’t have to care about the economic crisis because they don’t really need to work.

The way I see it, if we’re going to have economic incentives, then tie pay to performance, always. Even the most well-intentioned people can’t make promises of delivery. Doing anything else is just a big fat “screw-you” to the people who have no choice but to work hard for little to no advancement. That baseball or soccer player who signed a multimillion dollar contract and spends it all being injured or doesn’t score one run or goal? Give him the boot and not a red cent beyond his last paycheck. The CEO who fails to deliver on any of his strategies, costing other people their jobs? He should be the first one out the door, last paycheck and that’s it. The politician who cannot seem to solve the economic, healthcare and energy crises, or won’t put his duty before his ego? Time for him to find another job.

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yoinkie (1,498)C (@yoinkie) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@nakedape, that plan you layed out would cause a complete halt to evolution, techonological innovation and job production. Probably not a good idea.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@theskafish, Good point, I touch on pay according to performance of task in my new thread https://www.highexistence.com/topic/rays-political-mumbo-jumbo/

That is why I say governments do okay under the circumstances, the circumstances being that so many people are not paid according to performance and they gain phenomenal ammounts of power and money due to the circumstances of the system, not their actual value of contribution.

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Nakedape (112) (@nakedape) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@yoinkie, On the contrary according to significant mounting evidence.

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