Lately in our Social Psychology class, our discussion is about the presence of God if He is an actual, implied or imagine presence. One of my classmate talked the presence everywhere of God. I believed in God about the mysterious way of the universe. But I was disturbed on that omnipresence. There’s a question pop out in my head. I was pondering what He is doing everytime when people is in a tragedy like rape, murder, etc., does He is only watching? If He didn’t do something and If that is a free will then what it will be? Just expressing my thought. If there is other opinion, I will open it in my mind.
P.S. I’m not an atheist.
Im going to say an unpopular opinion-
Sometimes, tragedies, murder and rape isn’t a bad thing. Or I should say, sometimes good things come out of them. For example, one of my favorite musicians is a rape baby.
A couple things though- Why is God a male, personified being?
Second, regardless of if free will exist, if the Christian god exists- he doesn’t support the entirety of free will anyways. I mean, we got kicked out of eden the first time we did something against ‘his word’
Third- presence of consciousness doesn’t imply awareness.
Personally- I think if we wanted to stumble on the mind of god- we would simply have to find a way to funnel every living creatures brain waves together. It’s like how microwaves and Uv rays are all of the same spectrum. I think all living forms have types of consciousness on a bigger spectrum of consciousness, and we would call that spectrum itself god consciousness. That isn’t to say UV rays care what microwaves are doing all the time.
+1 based on my own lifelong search for who/what God is. Very well said, although I think that from a different perspective it is also can be said that there is a presence (seemingly separate from us but in fact not) watching over us. This higher Self (of an unconditionally loving nature) doesn’t intervene because to do so would be to negate free will, and besides all these “tragedies” no soul can ever cease to exist or be lost forever. This concept was explained beautifully by Neale Donald Walsh (NB I don’t resonate with absolutely everything this author has written) in “the parable of The Little Soul and the Sun”. I recommend looking it up on google.
I’ve actually read Conversations with God (some of my favorite books ever!) and know the little soul and the sun story. I think you may be right, that we are all cells in a larger consciousness… I think Neale also mentions that but says that the larger entity doesn’t intervene because it would be comparable to us concerning ourselves with what each blood cell is doing.
The concept of human suffering is often brought up to question the existence of God. What is left out of the question is the simple fact that the bulk of human suffering, in cases like you list such as murder and rape, is caused by human beings themselves.
God could prevent these things by taking away free will. Would humans prefer that alternative? No ability to choose anything for yourself at all, period, in exchange for no suffering?
We can theorize until we’re blue in the face, or we can be appreciative, or we can both, or we can be neither. Regardless who’s watching or not watching us, we’ve the ability to be accountable for our actions (or, at least, we’ve convinced ourselves over the years that we’ve this capability), so I’d say in a sense that we’ve at least some free will to wield. Let’s be joyous of that (potential) fact, and be our own referees as we graze through this lifelong landscape of not knowing things and not necessarily needing to know things. We’ve beautiful realities to make for ourselves, man.
If we are honest about god we don’t need to define god.
“Also, it’s kind of fruitless to have a topic of conversation without a definition of what you’re talking about.”
I agree with this totally. Conversations about what or who “God” is and what purpose he/it serves have stirred up massacres and riots throughout our history, so I’m sure this is one of the reasons it is so controversial in classes not geared towards religion. But, it is either the existence of god or the lack thereof that determines nearly every other perception we have in our lives on a psychological level. Though I don’t believe any two people should come to the same conclusion about who/what “God” is, or if he even exists and serves the purpose we choose, but I do believe that each person should figure the answer out for themselves to truly grow as a conscious being. To determine where exactly that free will stems from.
love social psych, great class, the way id respond is to first acknowledge that each person has their own, separate view on reality, that, what one person experiences and interprets as reality is something no one else can,
this is important to acknowledge BC everything we perceive as ‘is’, is really just an accumulation of our knowledge and experience, and this viewpoint is always limited bc we will never know or experience all things,
so, with the knowledge that our limited viewpoint is the camera angle through which we see reality, what one person considers real, how they define reality, is experienced only by them
God’s omnipresence, is a concept that means different things to different people based on their personal accumulation. if we are limited to just our viewpoint, than a feeling of being watched, or that things happen a certain way around us, likely has more to do with how that individual’s camera angel is oriented,
and is real to them even if there is evidence that is contrary to it, they see things how as their perception allows them to. if i believe God is everywhere, then i will filter reality to fit this, if i feel that God is everywhere watching me, then the information i take in will create this perception,
again, if this is all that i know, that God is everywhere, my perspective is limited to defining things in such a way, whether real or just in my head, whether anyone else sees/feels/experiences it or not,