Patriots and Racism

savmot (@savmot) 8 years, 10 months ago

I sparked a discussion on Facebook earlier with a status, that basically implied that people who claim to be patriotic are also often racist.
I had been looking at a few ‘patriotic’ facebook pages, that basically did nothing but moan about britain, and make racist comments about immigrants and Islam.

Clearly, I know that not all people who claim to be patriotic are racist, but I would also say that all racists would claim to be patriotic.

I’m just interested in other people’s opinions on the matter. I’ve never been one inclined towards patriotism. If anything, I’d probably rather be Canadian, or Finnish, but you know, England will do.
I cannot grasp the idea of my country being any more amazing than any other country, and it’s obvious to me that people only feel that way because they were born there and have been brainwashed into accepting their countries greatness.

I just find the whole idea of separation strange, like how if there is a massive tragedy in the UK or USA the whole world stops, but if anything happens anywhere that the people are, god forbid, not white, the world just shrugs its shoulders and moves on. People genuinely do not care about others on the basis of where they were born, and I find that incredibly strange.


January 31, 2013 at 10:42 am
Anonymous (2,654) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Ugly and true.

Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@savmot, When that shooting happened in the U.S, I read a thing that was a discussion between two people:
The first person said “Did you hear about all those kids who were massacred?”
The other person said “The one in Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan or the one the media actually covered?”
I know what you mean, Yanks would get a total culture shock if they came here to Australia, I suppose they just wouldn’t understand that you don’t have to be scared here.
But migrants come here and complain, then Aussies complain about them complaining saying “If you don’t like it, go home!”
The thing is; it is very Australian to complain yet when others do it, maybe just to fit in, they get blasted for it. People have come from countries that if they say anything at all they will be killed, they don’t have that fear any more so they try to catch up on lost time.
But yeah, I hate National distinctions, they are totally irrelevant, except that we make them so. With internet, it shouldn’t be so difficult for people to learn how to build a good life for themselves and their communities these days. Of course there are plenty of people who do not have access to a computer or the internet, but it is just a matter of time.
I think if everywhere more or less got up to a similar standard of living and quality of life then opening borders would be the next logical step.

Nick (195) (@nickc2007) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Really sad isn’t it. I find similarities between this and fanatically supporting a sports team. There’s nothing wrong with playing a sport (or representing your country), but you can’t take credit for the achievements of others, and take them as somehow representative of your life because that’s how you badge yourself.

Beni (110)C (@beniandtheuniverse) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

So I took one class of psychology and two of sociology this week and this is what it’s had me understand so far. Culture is the most deciding factor by far in the ‘script’ that we adopt and use every second of our lives. Whether you consider yourself racist or not, you still experience culture shock when you’re introduced to the script of other cultures. Although not everyone associates those feelings with fear or hate, it still conjures a reaction no matter who you are. You find out that in Nigeria fat women and men are considered the physical ideal because it signifies success and material wealth. That small fact sets your brain in motion to identify it as a deviation from your ‘norm’ or ‘script’ and label it for your own understanding. Maybe you had to subconsciously force yourself to form your opinion in accordance with your belief that we are all one. That’s cool, that’s the kind of mind many of us here have. However, if you haven’t been exposed to those sets of values (and there’s nothing right or wrong about that) you’ll go through a process that’s more like fear, anger or disgust and you’ll have only the beliefs your immediate society has equipped you with to make a final decision about Nigerians.

So everyday things fuck with your script and you have to define them. We all have different ways and some people end up with responses that get labelled as racist because that too fucks with the script of the ‘open-minded’ and they need a label to define they’re reaction to the ‘racism’.

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