Permanent conciousness expansion.

emptyminded (@thoughtless) 6 years, 9 months ago

I won’t get into the debate about what exactly is conciousness but I think most if not all of us on here are familiar with the common definition or made up a similar one for themselves.

I stopped smoking weed about 2 months ago, and I never got the chance to take any psychedelics. Whenever I use to get high off weed, I can always remember myself saying that I felt “free” like I’m everywhere, the experience felt like my very conciousness was being expanded. I felt more aware, more in the now than ever before. I say all this to ask the following questions:

1) do you believe psychedelics expands our conciousness? Or if the conciousness of an individual can be expanded at all?

2) if you answered yes to 1 above, do you think that this expansion can be made permanent without the initial “catalyst” used? If yes could you state how?

February 2, 2015 at 8:39 pm
Jorge (3) (@Jorge) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

I do believe psychedelics make things clearer and sometimes make you feel very aware of certain things, I also have all kinds of epiphanies when I smoke. On one side, you don’t need to be in a hurry to expand your consciousness, you are here to learn what you need to learn and it will definitely make you more aware.

However, I’m sure that the best, permanent way to feel as aware as you say, is by chakra work. The 7th chakra is the one about Consciousness, so it will be a long way. You first need to know what chakras are over active and which ones are being blocked. I just started to take this seriously a couple of months ago, and it is definitely changing my life. When working with each chakra, you will feel much more aware of whatever is related to it, for example, after having worked constantly with the root chakra, you will start feeling more present and aware of the space you are in, and all of the physical stuff will seem much more real. I is an amazing experience to have a balanced chakra, I hope you are interested.

So, I would say that by working the 7th chakra, your consciousness will be at its full potential. I don’t think it can be expanded though, as it is a natural process that takes countless lifetimes, consciousness expansion is happening, slowly, all the time, to all of us.

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emptyminded (68) (@thoughtless) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

I have heard about the chakra system before but it seems like meditation is a vital process to unlocking this network. I’ve always wanted to get in the habit of meditating but only recently feeling it start to stick since this 30 day site wide challenge thing. Did you know the art of meditating before you started your work or during ?

P.s thanks for the reply :)

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Jorge (3) (@Jorge) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

I got into meditation because of a yoga teacher, but I didn’t start to take it seriously until I realised how much it could help me with the chakra techniques. Now I think I’ve found the right way to do it, at least for me. It is helping me a lot, so I want to share it:
I use audios like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdjoLk-by5k
and say a mantra
http://www.sourceenergyhealingarts.com/images/Chakras.jpg
“singing” it with the same note of the video. I do it 10 or 15 times.
You should feel how your body, and especially the area of the chakra you are working, vibrates because of the sound you are making.

After that, I just try to understand what ever is related to the chakra I’m working: “I have the right to be here”, “I have the right to act”, etc.

http://www.eclecticenergies.com/chakras/emotions.php
That last link has a lot of information:) you can read it and then decide the technique you want to follow, I’m sure there are plenty of them.
I hope it helps.

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Josh (213) (@reinvented2012) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

I believe that psychedelics expand consciousness. Thats the basic answer. Now what I also believe is that all levels of consciousness are available to each and every individual but most people have been at say “0” for most of their lives. I am sure most people here are finding more and more ways to expand, and psychedelics is just one tool. Meditation is another, yoga, prayer, many routes can help people to expand their consciousness, but I do believe psychedelics would be the fastest route, but I dont think that makes it any less authentic.

I have also been able to experience myself and seen it in others to be permanent. Now you may trip to another reality while on the drug or medicine and come back to this one but you always bring something back or lose something in this realm that was not serving you based on your trip. It all depends on how you were able to decipher the information given to you, most of the time you need a few trips to get you to the point of being able to handle all that is being received.

I am just now starting to take the psychedelics more seriously and delve into the spiritual realm with them. Doing some research before trying anything is the best thing to do. Happy tripping!

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emptyminded (68) (@thoughtless) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

Speaking about tripping the way you did makes me start to miss weed. Sigh I’m pass it tho and wish to stumble across “stronger” substances. I’ve had many epiphanies during my smoking days, the first lead me to this site with the question I asked 2 years ago And one last made me quit doing the thing (couldn’t get a vaporizer and smoking is bad for your health). Overall it was a fun experience, your o insights about tripping was spot on and I couldn’t agree more, sometimes it does take multiple trips to process some messages. Makes me wonder the type of messages received on more potent stuff.

Thanks for the reply :)

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

Psychedelics remove the normalization that our brain is very adept at doing. It removes filters, so there is a larger sense of experience. It’s like being a child again, in a way – everything becomes important once again. The smallest things can make you cry or laugh or become afraid or feel loved.

I don’t think it’s easy to remove the filter without knowing its there. It’s like walking around your entire life with an ever-darkening pair of red sunglasses. As they get darker and darker, you see less and less, but it happens so gradually that you’re totally unaware of it. Perhaps some serious, serious commitment to understanding yourself could allow yourself to realize the glasses can be removed, and you can see all, but an assured method is to just take psychedelics, and the glasses will simply disappear.

Perhaps a similar analogy is to people with joint and nerve pain. As they age this pain gets worse and worse, but the brain normalizes it. Even with the normalization – the apparent ‘coping’ mechanism that allows people to live with this pain – it still takes it’s toll. Whether mood’s are lowered, or sense of self worth is diminished. Then these people get surgery or undergo some type of therapy and the pain is gone, suddenly they realize how much pain has been caused to them for so long, how much they have been suffering. How much they’ve dealt with. It’s a similar thing with psychedelics (sometimes) – the psychological pain we carry can get overwhelming, yet we may not even understand how bad it truly is. Psychedelics will wake you up to this – show you.

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emptyminded (68) (@thoughtless) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

yea but taking psychedelics just removes that temporarily, I’m searching for a permanent state of that feeling. I believe what you said about a serious commitment to understanding my individual psyche, thus the current study I’m undergoing, but I was seeking a sort of permanent catalyst. Psychedelics does catalyze the procedure but I feel it’s only temporary with weed (maybe it’s because I lack the experience given by other psychedelics, so it would be misleading to believe this for all) and once the high is gone that enhanced feeling of your presence is gone. I think once you take it once you know the filter is there and that’s what keeps most people going back.

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Ellie (1,363)M (@tangledupinplaid21) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

I think once we’re shown those states and know for a fact they exist, we can find other methods of attaining them. I don’t believe your sense of presence is gone once the drugs wear off, or that they are a necessary catalyst (especially after having an experience with them). If you believe they are necessary, they may become necessary, but in my experience they change you permanently each time. It’s like you’re being shown possibilities that exist outside of your normal mode of existing and you can choose to take lessons from that and live differently, or you can mistake the catalyst for the truth itself and think you need it which means you will.

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emptyminded (68) (@thoughtless) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

I get that my perspective is profoundly affected when I take them, but there is also “feeling” that comes along with it, that calm, euphoric, oneness feeling. I don’t believe the drug is needed to attain or maintain that feeling although it was induced mainly by chemical reactions. It also affected the “thing” that was aware, the conciousness, therefore a permanent state like that may be dwelling in the depths of our conciousness.

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

There is no permanent change, that is a constant effort, a constant path.

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emptyminded (68) (@thoughtless) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

I believe it’s in the human nature to reject impermanence, although it may be a multi-versal constant. Maybe it is a constant effort but you have to remain open to both sides of the coin

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