"Philosophy is useless.

Hitomi (@kidvisions) 8 years, 7 months ago

As a major and as an activity”

What do you guys think?
Every time I hear this I feel like I have been stabbed in the heart…
I love philosophy so much that I don’t know how to respond to this?
DO you think we should study something useful and do philosophy on our free time? Or do what we love even if it’s useless and might never get us a job?

April 21, 2013 at 11:38 am
Anonymous (145) (@) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

Thinking is useless, watch television programming.

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Hitomi (67) (@kidvisions) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@whowhatwhy, I don’t understand anything at this point…

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Psychonaut (133) (@psychonaut) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@kidvisions, I’m just finishing up my first year of philosophy at uni. I feel that philosophy is the only thing that is useful and that everything else should be secondary to it. There are far too many sheeple in this world and not enough thinkers and people living life for themselves. I suggest you do what you love to do (philosophy) and build the rest of your life around it. If you don’t land a job teaching it or whatever else may result from your knowledge, then who cares! At least you are happy and doing what you want to do. The philosopher understands that one doesn’t need material possessions to be happy, just ask Socrates.

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John (29) (@johnnyboy) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@whowhatwhy, wow I’ve never realized why its called television PROGRAMMING until now. Truly what it is.

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Anonymous (145) (@) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@johnnyboy, haha :p
@kidvisions, i watched the movies The Wicker Man (the original movie) and Nosferatu yesterday… a good (they are rare) movie always makes me feel better when i’m confused.

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whitewolf (2) (@whitewolf) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

Can you post links to these movies

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Hitomi (67) (@kidvisions) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@johnnyboy, @psychonaut, @whowhatwhy, Smiling with a tear ready to drop :)

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Joel (40) (@jp907) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@kidvisions, While I don’t think philosophy is useless by any means, it certainly doesn’t lead anywhere immediately beneficial. I’ve restructured and rethought my life a dozen times over in line with my philosophical views, and while I used to be in the same boat as you (just read your other thread), I’ve decided that philosophy is more of a sideline activity. Definitely do not stop thinking about life, love, happiness or whatever your favorite track of thought may be, but realize that there is no “big answer” and that everyone is simply learning as we go.

I think everyone should be a philosopher, in fact everyone is, to an extent. What’s important is developing your skills and interest in a passion of yours, something to dedicate yourself to. Philosophy IS worthless if it is never applied to daily life and long-term goals, and thinking of philosophy as independent from the rest of life would be just spinning your wheels.

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Gigi (0) (@gigicotto) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

I dont think philosophy is worthless. Philosophy its the root of life. Its in our daily lives, how we see the world. How we are raised is a philosophy. Everything starts as a philosophy.

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Hitomi (67) (@kidvisions) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@jp907, I don’t think philosophy is disconnected from life, even when it’s metaphysical because asking philosophical questions is crucial for everyone.
I think I can make something useful of it, I want to study the relationship between language and thought, is this useless?

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marthamena95 (85) (@marthamena95) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

watch “my dinner with andre”. I am sure ya’ll will enjoy it.

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whitewolf (2) (@whitewolf) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

My dinner with Andrea, links please

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Anonymous (145) (@) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@marthamena95, Mindwalk is a less known film but equally awesome, if not more so.

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Joel (40) (@jp907) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@kidvisions, not at all. I was considering something similar, studying neuroscience in conjunction with philosophy and tying in the nature of consciousness or language development.

You’re perfectly on my point, though, connecting your passion for philosophy to a practical application that you’re also interested in.

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marthamena95 (85) (@marthamena95) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@whowhatwhy, thanks, I ll try to watch it some time soon :)

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MarkII (71) (@mwinship13) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@kidvisions, I am in love with philosophy and sometimes that makes me lose touch with reality. The link between language and thought is actually something that interests me highly. Philosophy is definitely not useless. I think everything could be solved through logic.

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Anonymous (68) (@) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@psychonaut, better example is Diogenes of Sinope :P

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Hitomi (67) (@kidvisions) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@mwinship13, I agree, it’s pretty cool! I love love it!
@jp907, Awsome then! :) I’ll do that!! :) Neuroscience is pretty cool too I have to admit that. do you have to be good at math & physics to do that?

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MarkII (71) (@mwinship13) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@kidvisions, I also believe that all knowledge is innate (Buddha consciousness) and our problem is really that our language is neither precise enough or advanced enough to reflect the mind. So five stars for going for language and thought!

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Hitomi (67) (@kidvisions) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@mwinship13, thanks! :) I think that some people just don’t know enough about philosophy so that’s why they call it useless while everything, all human knowledge goes back to philosophy!

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Kris (0) (@kt7474) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@mwinship13, I can completely relate.I find myself so completely wrapped up in all of philosophy’s goodness that I catch reality slipping by. Then I have to catch up with it. Isnt it weird how easy it is to explain how a person can get sidetracked by playing video games or surfing the web, but explaining how we get distracted by thinking seems impossible?

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MarkII (71) (@mwinship13) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@kt7474, it is! I believe it can be a bit dangerous if not regulated properly.

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Anonymous (68) (@) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@kidvisions, i cant remember who said it but it goes something like this: “those who are not engaged in philosophy think they do something important, but actually cant see their silliness”

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Hitomi (67) (@kidvisions) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@bono95zg, That is just awesome! :) Thank you! I’ll tatoo this on my wrist and show it to whoever tells me philosophy is useless! :D

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Kidd (1,059) (@kidd) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

It’s useless job-wise, unless you’re looking to be a professor. Taking the classes will enlighten you, but you can’t do much with a philosophy degree. In my opinion, though, a degree alone doesn’t make you a philosopher.

As for growth and knowledge and wisdom…philosophy is necessary. It’s essential to you as a human being: “The one who feels no distaste in sampling every study, and who attacks the task of learning gladly and cannot get enough of it, we shall justly pronounce the lover of wisdom, the philosopher.”

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

Studying philosophy makes little to no sense at all, not just because it will be a huge waste of time and energy with nothing in return, but because you’re just getting other people’s ideas pushed in your face instead of thinking for yourself.

And if you want to learn from those great minds, you can do it just as well on your own, there’s so much material about their philosophies in the libraries and on the web. And you don’t need some pretentious geezer to tell you what it means.

If you’re gonna waste time and money on studying, then you should make sure that it pays off. Philosophy doesn’t pay off. Philosophy is for your free time.

And speaking of free time, time for some philosophy:
Why is some of your time free and the rest not? Shouldn’t all your time be free?
Don’t you like being free?

Jobs are for suckers, they’re an even bigger wast of time than studying, it doesn’t pay off, from a distant observation. Trading big chunks of time for small bits of money, that’s inefficient and soul-crushing.

Fuck jobs, walk YOUR path.
Philosophy is awesome, but studying it formally is a waste of life.

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Hitomi (67) (@kidvisions) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@manimal, then I’ll become a rock star! :D

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Psychonaut (133) (@psychonaut) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@manimal,
Textbook response from the conventional non-philosopher’s take on philosophy.

To start, getting other people’s ideas pushed into your face is how knowledge is born. The only knowledge we can have is that of which is contrasted with other people. We receive other’s projections and process it in our own unique way that corresponds to our subjective experience. We then analyze this information and provide an interpretation and re-expression of the aforementioned ideas that were “pushed in your face”. How is it you think those great minds you speak of became great? They understand and study other philosopher’s works as well as other’s creativity in order to expand on or re-direct their notions.

Pretentious geezer? You mean the people who hold vast amounts of knowledge in many aspects of life? It’s a shame you have to give a negative connotation to people who attempt to seek out truth in life. I shudder to think what you hold in high-esteem. Based on the aforementioned I have to assume you have never read the works of many Continental philosophers (Hegel or Heidegger for example). Their works are most difficult to understand, follow, and comprehend. Having a professor at your side to guide you through the thought process, to give you different translations and interpretations of claims (the professors are fluent in the language in which it was originally authored), to correlate ideas with later authored works of the same philosopher and that of other philosophers hitherto unknown to you, to direct you down the particular streams that catch your interest, etc. etc. etc. is of insurmountable benefit.

Why do you have to get paid? Why do you have to pursue a financial gain in life? I think this short video that expresses Mr. Watts’ thoughts on the matter sums up this question:

http://vimeo.com/54225275

A degree in philosophy doesn’t pay? I’m curious to think what it is you believe philosophy to be… This is simply a common fallacy. So you are opposed to the teaching of philosophy and therefore the growth of philosophical knowledge… Obscurantist much?

I’m finding it difficult to follow your train of thought. You say that it’s bad to spend lots of time for little financial reward. But then you go on to say jobs are for suckers. Do you mean to say that it is good to spend lots of time for a large financial reward?

It seems as if you are defining free-time as time spent on activity you want to do and non-free time spent on activity you dislike (such as work). If you pursue a job associated with philosophy, and consequently doing something you like to do, then is this considered work? I don’t think so, I would say it is pleasure; using your time (all of which is ‘free’) to do what it is you want. Hence, the person pursuing what they want to do is truly free.

A distant observation when making reference to a point in the future?

Studying it formally is a waste of life to you, the obscurantist. Please remember that your subjective experience doesn’t suffice for all, k thx.

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