As a major and as an activity”
What do you guys think?
Every time I hear this I feel like I have been stabbed in the heart…
I love philosophy so much that I don’t know how to respond to this?
DO you think we should study something useful and do philosophy on our free time? Or do what we love even if it’s useless and might never get us a job?
@manimal, By that logic studying anything formally is a waste of time. Your post is completely contradicting:
“Studying philosophy makes little to no sense at all, not just because it will be a huge waste of time and energy with nothing in return, but because you’re just getting other people’s ideas pushed in your face instead of thinking for yourself.” “Philosophy is awesome.”
“If you’re gonna waste time and money on studying, then you should make sure that it pays off. Philosophy doesn’t pay off.” “Jobs are for suckers, they’re an even bigger wast of time than studying, it doesn’t pay off, from a distant observation.” You could learn anything you want without having a formal education. Formal education is just what society seems to think is the best way for the majority of people. However it isn’t needed due to the availability of ideas passed through the internet, books, and verbal communication.
Also, I direct you to @psychonaut‘s post.
@kidvisions, I bet you’d make an awesome rockstar.
@mwinship13, “By that logic studying anything formally is a waste of time. Your post is completely contradicting”
Bingo! Well, almost, pretty damn close though. But you’re not gonna get into the big labs unless you got your degree. For good reasons.
@psychonaut, Oh so I’m a non-philosopher, eh? Haha, you’re a funny guy.
What you’re talking about in the early part of your post isn’t really knowledge, but belief and theoretical understanding. Knowledge isn’t born from someone telling you shit, knowledge only comes from experience, exposure.
If you just think what someone told you to think, you’re not knowing, you’re just regurgitating.
The great minds became great because they were smart and focused, and because they thought of things that most people didn’t. Great minds aren’t copycats, they’re originals.
By pretentious geezer i mean JUST THAT, a pretentious geezer. I say what I mean and I mean what I say, it’s as simple as that.
Vast knowledge in many aspects of life? Right, being a sickly old man with zero social life, a withered marriage, a mundane boring life in a shitty apartment, little to no experience of the world outside the box they were assigned as kids… that sure is a vast amount of knowledge in many aspects of life… if you live in a mirror world.
I’m talking about just those pretentious geezers, the so-called teachers who have their heads so far up their own self-glorifying ass egos and think they’re smarter than others… just because they read a bunch of books and learn to regurgitate them, and having a nice little title on a piece of paper, and being older.
Well, guess what, these “teachers” are full of shit. Teacher ego is all they have going for them.
Of course I’ve read the classics, and some of them are great. But guess what, something being difficult doesn’t mean it’s noble or good or smart. I sense pretentious intellectual wankery.
A helping hand at your side is just a crutch, and another filter which taints the information input. Instead of just declaring that you can’t figure stuff out on your own, find out why you can’t and do something about it. Or just let it be if that’s your style.
And yknow what they don’t tell you? A lot of stuff that’s “interpretive” really has no actual meaning, your projection is just as good as any professor’s.
Having some nice new thoughts to entertain your mind with, that’s an insurmountable benefit? Right… Such a huge benefit, gold and green forests, paradise is here. Praise the force.
It leads nowhere, changes nothing, and there’s a billion other ways to get the same pleasant effect on the ego.
Why do I have to get paid? Who said I do? I sure as hell don’t.
Why do I have to pursue financial gain? Well, I don’t. There is no “have to.”
There’s a lot of great stuff in this world, currency makes it easier to experience and embrace all of this, I don’t care for money but it helps along the way, makes things easier. It’s not like I’ve sold my soul for it or something, it’s just something that was there and I thought that “Well, why not?”
A life that’s more fun, more stimulating, more productive, etc. And a survival advantage.
So why the hell not? It’s a great thing. Humans have always been gatherers.
I’m no -ist at all. Isms are for the soulless only, there is no pre-made notch for my thoughts and I would never try to fit them into one. I’m not a follower, never have been, never will be… followers are a disgrace.
Freedom, it’s a great thing.
If money is what you want, then a big financial outcome for a big time investment could be a good deal.
People have jobs for one simple reason, they want the money, but it doesn’t pay much and it takes their time and they lose their enjoyment of life. Zombies who sold their souls for nickles and dimes, comfort-seeking followers who would rather shoulder this suffering than have to think for themselves for a moment.
Where did you get that shit about free-time? That’s the friggin opposite of what I said. All time is just as free, just as you say.
If you’re spending the major part of your waking time doing things you don’t want, then you’re dumb and messed up. But that’s a choice, as good as any other, but it only leads to suffering.
I don’t dislike working, I love working, working on MY shit… not just doing some repetitive drone task assigned by some superior, which only serves to make the fat cats richer at the expense of you and the planet itself.
If you do something that is against your values, you’re a whore, selling your soul for breadcrumbs and peanuts, and whatever suffering it brings you is well-deserved. People work hard to get their suffering, it takes a whole lot of consistent active work.
Life is a serious of goals.
What, why, how, when? That’s what life is all about.
Not wasting your life on dumbass studies and mind-numbing jobs, living paycheck to paycheck and being nothing but a pawn in this vile game.
If you want your life to suck, go ahead. If you wanna be a drone, go ahead.
Your life, your choice.
@kidvisions, Philosophy would dictate that ethics are subjective, thus using philosophy to establish ethics presumes an initial desire and once that is found philosophy is simply a general base guidance of action. It is not in itself productive towards the goal or desire you have it simply keeps your from acting counter intuitively. Now this may seem like an insignificant thing but our whole society is acting counter intuitive to its alleged purpose and it in fact is existentially counter intuitive to the purpose of safety, productivity, and alignment with existential logic. Philosophy will not get you anything in itself but acting accordingly and with passion will. One thing to note is that Socrates died when he stopped using philosophy soley for the aid of others instead for the aid of himself. You can not expect someone to be genuinely interested in their mistakes and ignorances, thus socrates only used philosophy when the topic was brought up as a problem which need a solution ( in discourse). If i find that the whole world is upside down and that being right side up is amazing i cannot go and expect to convince someone that they should stand right side up because upside down is wrong. They will not be interested in their own short comings they want to solve problems according to their preferences not yours. I asked you to define government in another post, hopefully that discussion will shed truth in both areas if I havent alienated you through the process which i just tried to explain.
@epiphanyaddict, Thank you for the post.
I am still incapable of writing something worth being written at the moment, I am still making up a view on all of this.
Concerning the post about government I will check it out. I haven’t noticed that I have been asked this question.
@kidvisions, This reminds me of Oscar Wilde’s famous aphorism, “All art is quite useless.”
While it is true that philosophy is by no means useful in furthering one’s career or helping someone succeed at life, it is certainly a good creative outlet, as well as an excercise in free thinking.
In my opinion, experiencing life should be your primary concern, and philosophy second. Unless you want to teach philosophy, or you think that you could be successful as a philosophy writer. Then, totally go for it :)
Everything is philosophy. Life itself is one big phenomenon waiting to be philosophically understood. If we cannot live our lives philosophically then we might as well not live at all.
Also, “useful” is an interesting word. Useful for whom? Useful for what? Those are very subjective questions with very subjective answers. As a nihilist I think that everything is objectively meaningless and therefore inherently useless. We give meaning and value to things subjectively. So if philosophy works for you then own it! Don’t listen to those close-minded people!
If everyone since the beginning of time thought like this, we’d have never learned any of the scientific discoveries and created any of the inventions that we have today. Anyone who thinks like this is just incapable of understanding the simplest of things. Any normal human should have a drive of curiosity and a desire to answer the explainable, and as long as we exist, people are going to need to do it. So no, I don’t think it’s pointless.