Post Dream Sensations

Matthew (@matthew) 11 years, 7 months ago

There have been several occasions immediately after waking up from a vivid dream, I still feel the physical sensations I had felt within the dream. Once, I dreamt I was a wolf running through a grassy field and when I woke, the entire front of my body was left with a tingling sensation that felt like the wind. Most recently, last time I woke which was several hours ago, my dream left off inside an interstate travel bus, such as Greyhound, but not the same. My current infatuation (not in life, just inside my head last night) turned around in her seat when she realized I was there and to my surprise, started to kiss me. Just as our lips touched, I woke, but it felt halfway; I realized it was a dream but my mind hadn’t reached full consciousness, yet I wasn’t lucid. It may have been a form of sleep paralysis. As I slipped back into consciousness, I still felt the pressure on my arms and mouth as if the woman was still there, despite my eyes telling me otherwise. Has this happened to anyone else before? Is there a word or term for it?

February 17, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Ace (3) (@ace7) 11 years, 7 months ago ago

I’ve been told that the brain/mind cannot distinguish between experience that is real and imagined, so sensations carrying over from a dream into waking life wouldn’t be unusual. This probably doesn’t explain much, but perhaps it could be used to guide your search in the right direction.

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Martijn Schirp (112,780)A (@martijn) 11 years, 7 months ago ago

This is true and goes back to Kant where he stated that we don’t perceive reality, we only perceive our perceptions of that is what is out there. We really don’t know what is out there (everything has to be translated into our 8 senses to ‘grok’ it). And you can imagine how different the world must look for bats or fish.

Ive had a lucid dream every day since 3 days and im experimenting with different actions, mind states etc, its my own virtual reality. So far its hard to get really good control but it slowly is getting better and more vivid. But one of the coolest things happened was that I jumped in a pool and felt all the water. I was thinking, how does my body know how water feels if there is no water? And the answer I came up with is actually quite logical. Your body HAS to know how different stuff feels because evolution optimalized every sensation so our reality is something we can survive in. An example makes this clearer: Imagine having pain, now why is this pain exactly this feeling and not more or less painfull? Because if less, it wouldn’t stop you from doing self damaging behavior, and if more, you would die from a heart attack or have PTSD forever.

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Matthew (0) (@matthew) 11 years, 7 months ago ago

Interesting, both of you. I heard before that the subconscious cannot distinguish from dreams and reality, but what you said Ace goes farther than that and explains why. Martijn, how did you start dreaming lucidly? I’ve had it happen without provocation several times before and I’ve never been able to do it intentionally. If there’s an article about it in HE, and I wouldn’t be surprised, can you direct me to it?

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Cat (0) (@catalina) 11 years, 7 months ago ago

Somebody posted a protocol including galantamine a while back. I decided to try it and it’s worked twice this far. I don’t know if it’s placebo or the stuff really works, but I like it anyways. I’ve had lucid dreams without it as well, but I wanted something which I could control better, rather than settling for ‘ I wonder if I’ll have an LD tonight’.
I usually choose a theme or a task and set my intention before falling asleep. Today I finished my task faster than I imagined and woke up. (make sure you mentally go through your dream after waking up otherwise you’ll forget it, no matter how clear it was). SO I thought ‘maybe I can have another one now’. decided on another task and, sure enough I was able to get into another dream. I’m quite frustrated now because I don’t remember what happened in this one and it was quite an important task. Most probably it was because I didn’t wake up after it, it just drifted into a regular dream, so when I woke up I managed to remember the 2-3 dreams I had before waking but couldn’t go as far back as the lucid one.
It is like having your own virtual reality, a whole new universe to explore. I definitely recommend it.

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Ace (3) (@ace7) 11 years, 7 months ago ago

@Matthew: If you’re interested in learning how to do so, the two resources I’ve been recommended are a book called “Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming” and the companion “A Course in Lucid Dreaming” PDF (which can be found online for free) both written by Stephen LaBerge. These are how-to’s, and, from what I’ve read, are among the best out there.
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I took the liberty of fetching this: https://www.highexistence.com/lucid-dreaming/

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Martijn Schirp (112,780)A (@martijn) 11 years, 7 months ago ago

@Cat Could you link me to the galantamine protocol? thanks, Im trying to have a lucid dream every nap time now during my poly rhythm, combined with intense meditation, introspection walks and others psyche enhancing substances to understand my psyche at all levels.

What do you mean when you set a theme or task? Is that pre-sleeping or once you know your lucid?

Yesterday I walked through a wall, which was really cool.

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Alex Eastman (71) (@alex) 11 years, 7 months ago ago

My friend used to have vivid nightmares and he’d still wake up feeling pain, so I’m sure pleasure wouldn’t be too much different ;)

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Cat (0) (@catalina) 11 years, 7 months ago ago

http://grasshopperx.com/dreams/lucid-dreaming-20-part-1/#more-56
Someone else recommended it on the lucid dreaming discussion so I thought why not? I bought mine at dreamamins.com. Originally I ordered the Lucid Dreamer but they said they were out so I got the galantamine instead. I already take melatonin and 5-htp before bed. First two times I took it nothing much happened so I lost hope a bit. Then I decided to up the dose to two pills (8 mg) which, it turns out, is the recommended dose. And it’s worked twice this far (you can’t have it every day, you build immunity fast).
As for the dreams themselves…I’ve had a few ‘realize I’m dreaming’ moments but I never seem to manage to stabilize them and just drift back in the dream. My preferred method (it chose me, not me it) is false awakening. Now I’m even beginning to tell the difference between how it feels like to roll from one side to the other ‘in reality’ or when I’m already in a dream. I’ve developed a little ritual which I think helps me stabilize the dream. I begin to think I might be dreaming, realize it’s possible and so I ‘get out of bed.’ I sleep with an eye patch (I sleep during the day) and in the beginning, I couldn’t see anything and I couldn’t remove it from my eyes in the dream. I managed to do it eventually and now can do it every time. For a long time I used to jump to check if I’m dreaming, but lately I’m becoming familiar with the distinct sensations and I’m pretty certain without checking. Then, what started as an ‘I’m not convinced I’m dreaming’ action– putting my boots on before going outside has become part of the ritual (the boots themselves have also changed place, progressively and now, the forth time, they’re actually in the spot they are in in reality). Then I go out the window, at the same time again checking it is indeed a dream (it would be a fall, so I fly it) For a long time I couldn’t get out of the room. I would just bounce off the window and walls and ceiling like a bee. The other night I was for some reason trying to squeeze out a 20 cm window when I realized I can just float through it and did so. I’ve done it with other windows since but haven’t tried walls. Either while still in the room or just as I land outside I rub my hands together. It really helps stabilize the dream and making everything clearer and more focused. I read somewhere that it works because it forces the brain to focus on the sensations in the dream rather than feeling the real body, lying down in bed. And this is where it gets tricky because I’m usually completely alone for a while. I start walking and eventually I do run into characters but because of all the searching I’m beginning to lose control. Also, at the very beginning, my dream characters are very zombie-like; almost as those unnatural extras hired to just walk around in movies. I decided this was because I had nothing prepared, I just hadn’t thought of what I could do while in the dream. SO I decided to choose themes. My first one was to see an old friend. In the dream he looked like he did years ago though (of course; he was a projection) I managed to see his facial features with some clarity, something which is unusual for me in dreams. Then I decided to do the ‘guide me’ theme. I think even Jordan mentions being asked to be taken to the subconscious or smth like that. I did smth similar. I asked to be given guidance/advice about my father (we have a bad relationship, not really on talking terms) and that dream was incredible. So I’ll continue with basic ‘tell me more about ……..’ and fill in whatever issues concern me.
http://www.dreamviews.com/content/
These guys seem to be making a video game out of it but they still have good ideas. that’s where I got the ‘set a task’ one. Perhaps some of their stuff would help with getting more control, learning how to manipulate the dream better.
Sorry the post got so long but I’m really excited about all this. It’s nice to have someone to share it with. And to brag about my accomplishments…It was so frustrating a few times, being lucid but blind and unable to leave the room…
Sweet dreams

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