Predetermination and Free will

 Subbanna R (@Subbanna-R) 7 years, 10 months ago

Everything in the universe including human thought is predetermined.Free will is an illusion.

December 23, 2013 at 7:39 pm
JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Prove it

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Actually, define free will. Explain where free will would come from.

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Brendan Barstow (182)C (@eyesopen) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

predetermination usually implies a predeterminer – some omnipotent entity. It seems much more plausible that the universe is instead deterministic – given all the information in the history of the entire universe, one could accurately predict every element of the future. This excludes the small proportion of information obscured by Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle, but research in quantum computing suggests even that is not unsolvable.

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Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

predetermined = deterministic

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PRAKASH (236) (@lesterxp) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Everything in the universe including human thought is conceptual. Free will is conceptual. We created concepts and rules that seem to govern our whole experience and now wonder why these rules aren’t clear or static or whatever other property we need them to have or predict.
The question about free will or predetermined universe implies that the observer (we) is separated from the very universe we try to assess. But what gave rise to this idea in the first place? Of course all experience seem to point to this separation and from that we derived that separation must exist and laws govern this separation. Find out if that separation exists 1st then conclude if there is free will or something predetermined.

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Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

‘The question about free will or predetermined universe implies that the observer (we) is separated from the very universe we try to assess.’ lol how exactly? it implies that human and universe are one.

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Grand Kahlib (76) (@kahlib) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

@subbanna-r
Perhaps. I think some things are more likely than others, and some things are not possible. I also think sometimes we are presented with choices which lead to a branching of realities (like a parallel universe tree). This is all pure conjecture, as is your comment.

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

“Free will” thread number 1,000. We should get a prize or something.

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Ṱḯiḯẗ Ṭễḱ (2) (@TiiiT-Tek) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

I think that human’s thoughts and actions are free as well as predetermined
We’re free at what we already know, predetermined at what we don’t really know, what we can’t control or change in any way…

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Justin (20) (@justinc123) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

I like to look at it like this: Concious existence is determined solely by the choices we make and the experiences that follow those choices. I believe reality could not be all that different than a video game. Think of skyrim for example. It’s a game were you can pretty much do anything in any order you choose, but all the options you have available are already ore-determined, or in this case, pre-programmed. I feel life operates similarly to this. Life itself has programmed every possible outcome that exists when you either go left, right, forward, or backward; this is pre-destination. However, the decision to go either forward, backwards, left or right, along with all the choices that proceed each avenue; that is free will. So maybe they exist simultaneously?

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Okay, maybe. Convince me though :)

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