Progressive people!

Manimal (@manimal) 8 years, 7 months ago

Here’s to all the progressive people.
Feminists, socialists, egalitarians, communists, whatever you wanna call yourselves…

I’m happy that you’re here. You’re doing so well.

Let me clarify, I’m happy that you’re here because you’re hilarious… and you’re doing so well at distorting your worldviews and spewing mumbojumbo on people that will never budge.

Calm down, I’m not gonna attack you or use a bunch of upsetting evidence and *gasp* logic, or anything like that, really.
Nor am I gonna rant about how the “progress” you want is a descent into worldwide misery, or how your “fight for equality” is really just an attempt to get more privileges for the demographic which you are currently in and how you would turn your backs on them if your circumstances changed, or anything like that.
Not even how you twist and turn everything you see and hear to make it fit your preconceived ideology.

No, I’m just gonna point explain to you why
-you’re so frustrated
-so few agree to you
-almost everyone thinks you’re deranged
-you can never win

It’s because of the nature of your ideologies, the very essence of what you stand for, the basic undeniable facts that you must have overlooked.

You are AGAINST EVOLUTION.

You are AGAINST BIOLOGY.

You are AGAINST MENTAL HEALTH:

You are AGAINST STRENGTH AND WISDOM. (aka privilege)

You are AGAINST THE LAWS OF PHYSICS.

You are AGAINST THE HUMAN INSTINCTS.

You are AGAINST LOGIC.

You are AGAINST JUSTICE.

And you are pretty much against REALITY AS A WHOLE.

And don’t give me that “Omg you’re so just rationalizing and comparing us to extremists” shit (see how I just predicted the vast majority of you?)
Because the ONLY DIFFERENCE between the radical extremist and the “liberal” follower is that the former is louder and more honest than the latter.

You call your beliefs “A progressive, enlightened, philosophy.”
MY ASS.

It’s really just a BULLSHIT BIGOTED, IGNORANT, NARROW-MINDED ASSHOLE _RELIGION_ FOR FUCKING MORONS.

The people who oppose you aren’t mean, bigoted opressors. They pity you and want to treat you for your mental SICKNESS. You’re hurting yourselves and the people around you.

You claim that you want a world of peace and respect and coexistence, yet you’re always the first to try to impose your views on others, and the first to start the mudslinging.
People just like you are the reason that civil wars are still taking place around the world.

You’re just petty. Squandering your human form and potential.
The “inequalities” you “see” are not really inequalitites, they’re the results of biology and physics.
If you’re against that shit, what are you even doing in this world?

Yeah I know, you probably stopped reading after a few sentences to go make a sign and gather some stones, write some new slogans and make a petrol bomb.
But to the few of you who didn’t… I’m glad to see that your brain is still functional.
That gives the sane people hope, that you’re not completely lost.

One final word to all the ungrateful, whiny, “progressive” people out there.
The world is a wonderful place, full of wonderful stuff, reality is fucking awesome, and if you don’t like that shit it’s not something wrong with the world…
but SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU.

Hope you get better
Peace and love
//Elion

November 15, 2013 at 3:40 pm
YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@manimal, That was definitely a rant and an attack.

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Nya Burke (4) (@nyaburke) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@manimal, Who is against Biology, Physics, Strength and wisdom? Please do explain. I would be glad to listen to any rational thoughts on any of your mentioned topics.
This is an empty rant at a hollow target.

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Kyle (131) (@kyle) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@manimal,
I will sit here and argue with you about equality all day! On and in my slave labored manufactured computer and clothing of coarse. Come at me, BRO.

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Michael (33) (@michaellll) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@kyle, equality..at the expense of freedom perhaps?

What I think of when I hear the term “progressive” in relation to an individuals ideals, I think and often hear, wants and desires demanded at the expense of others. Social justice at the expense of those who hands are clean; economic justice for those who produce so little, those who claim that they live a life of “slave labor” while simultaneously benefiting form the very labor that makes their life possible. Demanding, whether through claims of want or “need”, that those who produce much continue working to support their desire to “escape” their imagined prison they live in.

Its funny, I listen to students on campus talk about how govt. is so intrusive then state how it doesn’t do enough.
They claim all should give more to help their “brothers” but they cant afford to sacrifice any of their resources. They are however more than ready to sacrifice yours. I mean, its for the greater good right? We ALL benefit from it right? When you steal from one to give to another.
They accept survival of the fittest when its “out in the wild” but not in contemporary human environment. They say we are in a position to help everyone with the technology that exists today and that to not do so is inhumane. Is forcing anyone for any reason to help someone I have no interest in, lets say a stranger, a thug, thief, a bum, a hobo, an individual whose morals and beliefs do not align with mine not inhumane? Is to take from me and degrade my livelihood not inhumane? is to force anything you believe on me that renders any of my freedom non existent inhumane?

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@manimal, “Not even how you twist and turn everything you see and hear to make it fit your preconceived ideology.”

That fits you perfectly.

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Yael Alonso (59) (@YaelAlonso) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@manimal, Nothing you said was accurate or well thought out. You should learn how to read, or just think in general.

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Yael Alonso (59) (@YaelAlonso) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@michaellll, Freedom doesn’t really exist, we all sacrifice our freedom in order to exist within a particular society. However I do agree that many people preach the ideals of brotherhood and the betterment of everyone while not living the ideal within their own lives. They want others to do it, the government, developer of technology, etc. yet they won’t offer there own services and time to do the same in their own small circle. I am a participant in this poor ideological separation although I am beginning to be more honest with what I believe.

This idea of survival of the fittest your propose is dangerous though. It disregards community, socialization, and security, all of which have made our species what it is. The only true and honest benefit we have over the other animals is that we rely on numbers and strong communities to survive, abandoning this would crumble us. Supporting those in all stratras of society should be done in order to assure a community where we are all at least comfortable and then maybe we can progress in a less destructive way than we have don thus far.

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Yael Alonso (59) (@YaelAlonso) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@manimal, Also, people who call themselves anything, Progressive, radical, enlightened, smart, intellectual, etc. are usually pompous assholes who are looking to inflate their own egos by trying the put themselves in a special and seemingly ‘good’ classification. You seem to want to classify yourself as ‘smart’, sadly that doesn’t really show in your rant. If you wanted to have a reasonable discussion you could have made compelling opinions and arguments that would highlight your points and concerns with the ideas of the ‘progressive’.

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Anonymous (53) (@) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

Supercilious schadenfreude self-gratification one man pissing contest. Everybody’s wrong but me screed. Meh.

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Justin (20) (@justinc123) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

I just hope everybody has a good day man.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

I never really pay attention to labels, I don’t fully understand what it means to be a republican, democrat, liberal, conservative, socialist, and ect. I’m probably a very stupid person that’s behind, but what do you call people that’s on the opposite spectrum of a progressive person? Regressive or stagnatist?

I think labels are bad, demonize a label harsh enough and you create room to ignore ethics and maybe truths without giving the idea a thought. People are progressive in some form, if you want equality for all races to have the same job opportunities then you’re progressive.

Actually I want to be a regressive person. Promote going back to not having equal rights and we slave again.

Labels are BS and it’s BS when majority of people aren’t fully committed to them, it’s either you are or not.

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Anonymous (53) (@) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

Some progressive thought:
The writer was using syllogistic reasoning that combines assumptions that ain’t necessarily so.
An abundance of words and terms does not confer truth or integrity, they are, in some cases props to support unprovable contentions and ostentatious writing.

COMMON FALLACIES IN REASONING

syllogism |ˈsiləˌjizəm|
an instance of a form of reasoning in which a conclusion is drawn (whether validly or not) from two given or assumed propositions (premises), each of which shares a term with the conclusion, and shares a common or middle term not present in the conclusion (e.g., all dogs are animals; all animals have four legs; therefore all dogs have four legs).
• deductive reasoning as distinct from induction: logic is rules or syllogism.

FAULTY CAUSE: (post hoc ergo propter hoc) mistakes correlation or association for causation, by assuming that because one thing follows another it was caused by the other.

SLIPPERY SLOPE: (sometimes called a snowball argument or domino theory) suggests that if one step or action is taken it will invariably lead to similar steps or actions, the end results of which are negative or undesirable. A slippery slope always assumes a chain reaction of cause-effect events which result in some eventual dire outcome.

TAUTOLOGY: (a sub-category of circular argument) defining terms or qualifying an argument in such a way that it would be impossible to disprove the argument. Often, the rationale for the argument is merely a restatement of the conclusion in different words.

SWEEPING GENERALIZATION: (dicto simpliciter) assumes that what is true of the whole will also be true of the part, or that what is true in most instances will be true in all instances.

BEGGING THE QUESTION: (petitio principii) entails making an argument, the conclusion of which is based on an unstated or unproven assumption. In question form, this fallacy is known as a COMPLEX QUESTION.

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i4c1m2b (70) (@i4CiM2B) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@manimal, Progressivism is a general political philosophy based on the Idea of Progress that asserts that advances in science, technology, economic development, and social organization, can improve the human condition. Are you certain that none of these can possible help to improve things?
Contemporary progressivism emerged as part of a response to the vast social changes brought by industrialization in the Western world in the late 19th century, particularly out of the view that progress was being stifled by vast ECONOMIC INEQUALITY between the rich and the poor, UNREGULATED CAPITALISM with out-of-control MONOPOLISTIC CORPORATIONS, conflict between workers and capitalists, and LACK OF EFFORT BY GOVERNMENT TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES. They certainly got that right. It’s nice to know someones trying to address these very real issues, What’s your solution?
The term “progressive” is today often used in place of “liberal” Although the two are related in some ways, they are separate and distinct political ideologies. You Don’t seem to be aware of that. Progressivism is an orientation towards politics. It’s not a long-standing ideology like liberalism, but an historically-grounded concept… that accepts the world as dynamic.” Cultural liberalism is ultimately founded on the belief that the major purpose of the government is to protect rights. So is the world dynamic, and who will protect our rights if not the government?
The progressive school, as a unique branch of contemporary political thought, tends to advocate certain center-left views that may conflict with mainstream liberal views, despite the fact that modern liberalism and progressivism may still both support many of the same policies American progressives tend to advocate progressive taxation and oppose what they describe as the growing and negative influence of large corporations.
I’ve never labeled myself as a democrat, republican, conservative, liberal, progressive and likely never will. The idea that some narrow minded person , prone to being judgmental, assumes he knows what I believe in and what I don’t believe based on a label, which would then lead me to assume that his ignorance is probably due to a lack of education, In the end the sympathy and pity I would be feeling for the guy might cause me startup a progressive action for better education.
Anyway, Progressive Thinking founded on four basic concepts which you clearly have a problem with, I just can’t understand why?
the first concept is that of freedom. This happens to be one of the most contested values in American life. Progressives believe that all people should have freedom from undue interference by governments and others in carrying out their private affairs and personal beliefs. This includes our rights to freedom of speech, association, and religion as well as the freedom to control our own bodies and personal lives. Second, all people should have the freedom to lead a fulfilling and secure life supported by the basic foundations of economic security and opportunity. This includes physical protections against bodily harm as well as adequate income, economic protections, health care and education, and other social provisions.
The second concept ,Opportunity, prohibits discrimination against anyone based on race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, religious faith or non-faith, or disability. ensuring that all people have the chance to turn their talents and ambitions and the conditions necessary for people to be secure and to move up in life—health care, education, a decent job, labor rights, a secure retirement…
The third is Responsibility to do our part to improve our own lives through work, education, honesty and integrity and a putting the public interest above the interests of a few. This requires pubic investments in things like transportation and trade, innovation, a skilled workforce, courts to protect patent rights and contract agreements, public safety and other measures that support the creation of wealth and help to make individual prosperity possible. It also requires progressive taxation, meaning those who have and earn more should pay more to help support the investments in things like schools, transportation, and economic competitiveness necessary to advance the interests of all.
The forth is cooperation. Cooperation requires that we try to be open-minded toward others and that we are accountable for their well-being as they are accountable to us. Progressives believe that if we blindly pursue our own needs and ignore those of others, our society will degenerate. The purpose of government is to advance the common good, to secure and protect our rights, and to help to create a high quality of life, decent paying jobs benefits for workers and a sustainable economy that works for everyone, not just the few.

It would be easier to understand your post if you told us which parts you don’t agree with rather than telling us what we supposedly don’t believe in, a list which really has no basis in it’s logic,reasoning or Progressive ideology.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@manimal, Are you referring to these people? http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/

AKA most of the people on this website? Probably most of the people in your country (and where I’ve grown up in the US)?

I do feel like there’s the proliferation of a mindset in places where the standard of living is higher. It’s this politically correct, “there are no differences, everyone is homogenous” mentality where everyone is “nice” to each other with plastic smiles glued to their faces, men are emasculated, and women act like dudes.

I’m realizing more and more how insidious this type of thinking is and how much it’s infiltrated my mind.. from the new agey type people to socialists.. it’s all really different facades of the same mindset as you said at the beginning.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@manimal, When I look into American society at large, it seems to me that it’s the lower class blacks that in a lot of ways seem to be the most sane, down to earth people. I’ve always admired a lot of the qualities that some of these guys possess (because yeah, a good subset of them are really fucked up).

A lot of them have a good head in their shoulders. They’re just trying to make it. You can tell they just by watching that they have this awareness and presence about them that none of these progressives have. And they laugh at and see right through these egalitarian, uptight people focusing on their “social awareness,” equality, college degrees, vegan lifestyle, and all that stuff.

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secretagentpeter (81) (@secretagentpeter) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

Labels like “progressive” or “innovator” are the bumper stickers of personality.

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Yael Alonso (59) (@YaelAlonso) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@mikeyw829, Hahaha, that’s true of most people who live under distressing conditions. I guess people see through the bullshit when they are on the receiving end of it. Occupy Wall Street was basically a middle class white person movement because they finally saw the bullshit that all the other poor people saw when their homes and lives were taken from them and they became on the receiving end of the policies they endeared when they were in the advantage point. Adversity seems to give people a clearer head.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@manimal, Ideally I think everyone would have a chance to build their potential, to earn it for themselves, and when they do they are no longer a burden on society. So I agree with your sentiments to a large degree but I also believe at some point society has to provide certain opportunities for people to build their potential.

This is not an absolute; a person who has nothing can build something without the help of society, but I don’t think they can build their full potential without the help of society in a number of aspects.

Society is a sharing of strengths and weakness with the goal of allowing everyone the chance to build up to their potential, or there abouts, and certain lacks people naturally have often serve as necessary motivations for them to engage that earning, but often certain lacks will mean a person will never be able to fully earn that potential, and that is where society comes in.

With you, I get why you hate society, because they are ultimately failing in their function, but don’t pretend your rant is any more noble than the people you are ranting about, it is the same thing.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@yaelalonso, I don’t think that’s true. Occupy wall street was a middle class white person movement based on the idea that they are entitled to free shit. It had nothing to do with that presence I was talking about. It had to do with the deluded belief system that somehow rich people are to blame for their lack of work ethic and success, and that they should just be given stuff because of the sense of entitlement they grew up with.

“Hey, I’m not successful. It’s definitely not due to the fact that I didn’t work hard and I’m not as super duper special as I’ve always been told. It’s gotta be someone else’s fault that my life sucks and I’m just another cookie cutter cut out urban hipster. Let’s blame the ‘1%!!!’ Yeah, that way I don’t have to take responsibility for my life.”

That site is really funny though.

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Yael Alonso (59) (@YaelAlonso) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@mikeyw829, Did you ever go down to an Occupy or did you just listen to the news? From my experience many of those people were just looking to make a bang, to create an awareness of the injustices and the poorly functioning system that exists. Many wanted nothing from the government except to leave them the fuck alone and allow them to live a life they wanted to enjoy. Of course they were some who bitched about how the government should help them more and give them stuff, but the majority either wanted a little help to get back on their feet or to live a life independent of the economic system. Or maybe that was just the Occupy in NYC.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@yaelalonso, Just because my view is semi-conservative on the issue means I got my information from the news? If I don’t agree with Occupy and that insidious mindset, I’m just a zombie who gets his information from the “mainstream”?

I’m not talking about individual cases, I’m talking about the movement as a whole. It was about wealth inequality and looking for people to blame for the conditions of their lives, as a GENERAL TREND. It’s a victim mentality. I don’t care if you’re trying to make a bang. Holding a picket sign up and blaming the system is what dumb, entitled hipsters do. So no, I didn’t go to Occupy. I don’t really enjoy being around those types of people. I’m sure there were some intelligent people there, but I’m talking about the movement/mindset as a general whole.

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Yael Alonso (59) (@YaelAlonso) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@mikeyw829, LOL, so don’t discuss topics you have no experience with. What some Hipsters post on the “Official” FB page is very different than the reality of the fight the individuals on the streets are looking to do and what they believe.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@yaelalonso, You don’t need to be physically present somewhere to understand what it’s about. Occupy is just one example of the proliferation of a mindset. I’ve been around that mindset plenty. On the other hand, you could be physically present and be a complete idiot and have a deluded view of what’s going on. Don’t use cop out arguments.

I know the mindset of the people at Occupy. Just becasue I wasn’t at this one little protest doesn’t mean I don’t understand the general mindset.

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Yael Alonso (59) (@YaelAlonso) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@mikeyw829, But, you don’t know there mindset, because your using information which represents the few hype men on social media, and not the actual people who participated.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@yaelalonso, whatever man. This isn’t about Occupy anyways. It’s about the “progressive” (as Manimal calls it) mindset as a whole.

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