Psychedelic usage and Society

Ryan (@fadingfootprints) 8 years, 9 months ago

Those who have experimented with psychedelics will most often unanimously agree that in regards to psychedelics, you shouldn’t knock it till you try it. Why, then, isn’t psychedelic usage, especially psilocybin mushrooms, commonplace in our society? Have shrooms always been illegal? What created this negative notion towards experimentation? They clearly aren’t as internally detrimental as tobacco nor externally detrimental as alcohol. So it can’t exclusively be related to health concerns, right? I’m trying to approach the legality of psychedelics from the perspective of one in agreement of its current legal status. Before my experimentation, I simply wasn’t very aware of their effects, both temporary and long term. So I imagine most people are simply complying the status set fourth by preceding generations. “Past generations say it’s bad, they must be right.” Is it as simple as a lack of curiosity or interest in why psychedelics are illegal? Clearly politicians don’t know something we don’t, they simply comply to what they believe the people want, or so we hope. Why then, are psychedelics perceived to be bad?

February 12, 2013 at 9:06 pm
DaJetPlane (994)M (@lytning91) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Psychedelics aren’t considered bad out of ignorance, friend.

These drugs are labeled as such intentionally, and I believe the perspective that Joe Rogan puts on the issue. I can’t find the video, but he basically explains that profitability and an interest in keeping the masses as cogs in a machine rather than spiritual, enlightened people helps the government and big business keep on getting wealthy. Psychedelics would cause people to question their lives and perspectives in big ways, whereas stimulants keep us as good, faithful worker bees.

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Anonymous (359) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Its true, cigarettes are completely toxic and addictive and alcohol is a poison that dulls your mind and keeps you complacent and happy. These are the drugs that are legal bc the addiction feeds the economy and keeps your attention on getting your next cig and the alcohol gives you something to look forward to after a week of shit work and pretend that getting drunk with people means you have meaningful friendships.

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Anonymous (24) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@lytning91, Fucking exactly! There is no other reason… Only the Ignorant say otherwise.

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Ryan (46) (@fadingfootprints) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@lytning91, Have people explicitly stated this to be the reason? Or is this more of a conspiratorial approach towards understanding society’s justification for illegality?

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Anonymous (272) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I like the Terence Mckenna comment.

Shit was made illegal shortly after it’s discovery. In modern society, psychedelics (especially in the cities) have no use. I am totally against a lunatic ravaging the streets on mushrooms. Chances are, he’s going to get hit by a car and killed. Or at the very least arrested.

However if used in the right social context, it’s cool?

Psychedelics are a powerful medium for brainwashing people, which makes them dangerous. I think everyone on this planet should load up at the same time, and we should all watch youtube together. We’d all be on the same frequency, wars would stop instantly, money would become obsolete et cetera. It won’t happen in my lifetime though. People are too brainwashed as is.

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Carl (47) (@birdofprey) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@ballsackturtles23, is the media not the dangerous brainwashing tool?

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Anonymous (272) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@birdofprey, Of course it is.

Brainwashing the masses is all done by suggestion. Psychedelics make people MORE vulnerable to suggestion, hence a shamans ability to cure.

That said, psychedelics can really open your eyes if you’re able to step outside yourself. It’s a doubleedged sword really.

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Anonymous (272) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@anjelica, Who says getting drunk with people doesn’t mean you have meaningful friendships with them? I have friends, and the only time we do hang is when we drink. I wouldn’t say we aren’t friends, our friendship is just as legit as any.

Besides, the whole idea of something being authentic is a joke anyway.

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Anonymous (272) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@lytning91, Rogan stole that idea from Terence McKenna lol

Who likely stole it from Leary… who likely stole it from Huxley, Who likely stole it from Crowley. Damn occult psychic exercises.

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DaJetPlane (994)M (@lytning91) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Regardless of its source, I see no reason for it to be discredited in any way. The research on the huge benefits of psychedelics is growing, but a lot of it has been out for a while now. The only reason I can explain why, despite the aforementioned, the majority of society sees it with the taboo tattooed on their minds is because a small, but powerful establishment is keen on hiding the benefit.

Wonder who that could be…

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Anonymous (359) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@ballsackturtles23, I’m don’t mean to judge friendships based around drinking as meaningless.My comment is based on my experience of seeing people hate work, hate the disconnection of life, and distract themselves with dreams of the weekend. when the weekend comes I don’t think a lot of people are fulfilled by partying with their friends. Of course you can drink and party with your friends and have it be meaningful or mindless. And I think a lot of it is mindless.

It would be drastically different if adults did psychedelic drugs every weekend together.

I think authenticity is honesty. If people were honest with themselves and each other perspectives and lifestyles would evolve. People wouldn’t need nicotine and alcohol to feel happy and blissful.

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Anonymous (272) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@anjelica, Psychedelics are a double edged sword. They can be helpful, insightful, and wonderful, and they can be downright evil. It ain’t all good trips man, the longer you do it, the more you start to understand that.

There is a dark side in shamanism, it ain’t all healing. Lots of curses and shit. Can fuck someone up hardcore.

Getting arrested while you’re tripping will permanently scar you (another reason we as a society need to address the issue of psychedelics in a different light).

But you’re right, we need to be honest with ourselves and each other, it’s the only way through this mess. Although I admire your optimism and outlook.

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Anonymous (359) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@ballsackturtles23, I feel like after a while the bad trips are probably the universe being like “okay I showed you all this beautiful shit to inspire you to believe in your own greatness. just knowing and seeing isn’t enough, you have to be the love”

so its dark and empty in order to challenge a person to actually be and choose the love

i dunno.

My best friend’s sister got arrested while doing acid. she described it to me and it was horrifying!

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@ballsackturtles23, “Getting arrested while you’re tripping will permanently scar you (another reason we as a society need to address the issue of psychedelics in a different light).”

That’s exactly part of the problem and why I feel people have bad trips. Because the whole time you’re tripping, you have anxiety because you’re in such a vulnerable state. You’re doing something that goes against an unreasonable society backed by legions of armed thugs, deep in the heart of enemy territory.

It shouldn’t and wouldn’t be so, if psychedelics were legal. All that anxiety and fear about becoming under arrest or attack would be gone. One of the reasons I don’t respect society is that often times it is the cause of the problems even as it lies out of its teeth that it is the solution…and if you call it out on its hypcocrisy, it doesn’t change, it just tries to beat you down. You can’t reason with it or try to make it better because it doesn’t want to get better, it just wants to hump us into submission.

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Anonymous (272) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@anjelica, “I feel like after a while the bad trips are probably the universe being like “okay I showed you all this beautiful shit to inspire you to believe in your own greatness. just knowing and seeing isn’t enough, you have to be the love” ”

*sigh* You have a wonderful childlike perspective that I absolutely adore. But, sadly that’s not the world we live in.

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Anonymous (272) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@theskafish, Preaching to the choir man!

However, mental scarring isn’t the only negative aspect of a psychedelic experience. Quite a few people have killed themselves being stupid (running out in front of cars, jumping out of windows et cetera).

Safety should be your primary concern, and people (even experienced psychonauts) don’t understand in what context a journey should be taken.

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Anonymous (359) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@ballsackturtles23, i suppose ill wake up tomorrow

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@ballsackturtles23, definitely. and for me that was the main cause of fear when i’ve been on psychs – my first worry is that i will come under attack when others see my guard is down because we live in a world of bastards, my second is that i worry what i will do.

But there’s a lot of things that are scary. Anytime we get behind the wheel of a car, or behind the joystick of an airplane or a helicopter, we face the same risk of hurting ourselves doing something stupid, and we place the same trust in others who do these things that they will do the right thing. I think there should be some kind of psychedelic flight test, where if you can show you’re in command of your mind, you’re clear to fly.

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Anonymous (272) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@anjelica, Don’t you ever change! Not everyone shouldn’t aspire to be a cynical stone hearted bastard like me.

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tyler (14) (@crane) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Psychedelics don’t cause the fear…they just bring out the fears of the world you carry. I’ve come to discover that once you acknowledge these fears, bad trips don’t happen. I always tell my friends, if you have a bad trip- it’s YOUR fault. Don’t blame the world or the drugs. Blame yourself.

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

As long as you’re afraid of something, you, not society, will experience what limits you. It’s getting kinda ridiculous that people think someone is preventing them to do something, except their own fear of it. Powerful establishments my ass.

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Anonymous (272) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@crane, Blame the cops.

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Carl (47) (@birdofprey) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@ballsackturtles23, Jim Morrison said that drugs are a bet with the mind! I guess he was right eh?

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Anonymous (272) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@birdofprey, Well, psychedelic drugs are a gamble especially for the mind. Other drugs are more of a gamble on the body i.e. heroin et cetera.

If you dig the psychedelic sounds, check out Hawkwind! Good album to start with is Warrior on the Edge of time.

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