Purpose of the Universe?

GarrettMc (@GarrettMc) 7 years, 4 months ago

A while ago I heard the question “What is the purpose of the universe?” I had a very hard time finding a decent answer for a long time. However about a week ago I figured out at least what the possible purpose of life is, and I’d say that’s a good start.

So basically we, humans, are alive and conscious. What is the basic goal of all life? To reproduce or to survive.

If you believe in entropy then you probably know the universe will end trillions of years from now because all the stars will have burned out. At the moment though the universe is keeping itself alive just as life on Earth is. Stars die to create new stars, conservation of energy, ect. The universe wants to survive on all levels both organic and stellar.

Perhaps the creation of life is the universe’s attempt to escape the death of entropy. Maybe the purpose of life is to either save this universe of create the technology to escape into another universe. This is far fetched I know, but perhaps the ability to travel across the multiverse is so difficult is will take a trillion years of technology. And if we can escape to another universe that means our universe will live on because we ourselves are the universe.

July 28, 2014 at 8:29 pm
Anonymous (64) (@) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

Entropy occurs in a closed system when no energy is input. The universe seems full of virtually endless energy eminating from a void (the big bang) and is also composed mostly of dark energy which is a complete mystery to us. The universe seems to become more complex over time–just look at DNA assembling out of stardust.

I totally get your point though. Any explanation is as plausible as another and, I, for one, don’t know the truth. Your perspective is psychedelic, unifying, cosmic, and a beautiful one. Cheers to hoping our purpose is to technologically evolve so that our universe can merge with another.

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Kris (328) (@kjbaran) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

To marinate in Its own Beingness. To turn away from Itself only to return to Itself. To marvel in Its own simplistic endlessness.

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

Why do people think the words they invented on their own have concepts?

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TheSeer (168)C (@drallarnnat) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

A few things I’d like to mention in no particular order of importance lol…

” if we can escape to another universe that means our universe will live on because we ourselves are the universe.” That is a self-contradictory statement. If we ourselves are the universe then anywhere we go is the universe and so there is no way to escape the universe. You first speak as if we are all one, but then imply that escape is the purpose of existence.

Also, you speak of said universe “wanting to survive” and “escape the death of entropy” but simultaneously speak of conservation of energy… Conservation of energy states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed. Entropy does not mean destruction, simply a transition from order to chaos. That doesn’t have anything to do with destruction. If energy cannot be created or destroyed, then why would the universe be attempting to escape ultimate destruction?

“The universe will end trillions of years from now because all the stars will have burned out.” Perhaps what you mean to say is the universe will change, potentially collapse in on itself, but that is still not destruction, it is a cycle, a transition. The universe doesn’t need to escape death because it is illogical that something can transition into a state of nothingness. Something cannot BE nothing because to be is not NOT to be ( that’s a mouthful).

I don’t understand the second law of thermodynamics nearly enough to address this seriously, because I am not too knowledgeable about physics. However I will say that logically, there are some flaws. ” Stars die to create new stars” is the example you give of the universe keeping itself alive, however the death and creation of new stars doesn’t seem to benefit the “wellbeing” of the universe in any specific way, mostly due to the fact that wellbeing is a term measuring one’s quality of life, and there is no way to measure the state of the universe as a living system. Furthermore, if we ourselves are the universe, then that means that fundamentally the universe arises from consciousness ( which I happen to agree with) in other words the physical reality is an effect of a non-physical reality in the way that everything within physical reality is the effect of non-physical information in consciousness. If this is the case, then the universe would once again have absolutely no need to escape death, for it is ultimately non-physical, and being non-physical, it is not confined to space-time and therefore does not die.

Basically, the idea that the purpose of the universe is to continue to survive is actually no purpose at all. What is basically being said in that statement is that the purpose of the universe is to be itself, which means it is purposeless ( which does NOT imply meaningless). You then say life is the medium through which the universe is working towards saving itself, however as I said this idea is contradicted by the premise that consciousness is more fundamental than the physical universe as well as the basic definition of entropy, the nature of conservation of energy and the confusion between destruction and change.

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505 (6) (@Dislexic) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

The Ouroboros –

The Ouroboros often symbolizes self-reflexivity or cyclicality, especially in the sense of something constantly re-creating itself, the eternal return, and other things such as the phoenix which operate in cycles that begin anew as soon as they end. It can also represent the idea of primordial unity related to something existing in or persisting from the beginning with such force or qualities it cannot be extinguished.

It’s been used by many cultures throughout history for what I believe to be like a metaphor for explaining the universe. Pictures tell a thousand words after all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

Body – To live and die.
Mind – To assemble pattern recognition for post-death labyrinth.
Soul – To grow.

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Anonymous (64) (@) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

Would you please clarify what the ‘post death labyrinth’ is? Genuinely interested…

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

conscious time dilation

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Anonymous (64) (@) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

You just blew my mind.

Two follow-ups:

What is at the center of the labyrinth or when we expand time?

Can we not reach it during this lifetime?

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

we are the growth of random access information. we are expansion in the purest form but we can never relate with the absolute value of our evolution due to the crude condition we are grown in. the further our soul is taken out of our natural elements the more drastic the leap in shock and awe. shock and awe controls us.
the loop of being shocked by the vastness of reintegrating into the cosmic epilogue is the cultivation of our excited spiritual substance. there is no center to this labyrinth – there is what we are – and an incompletable puzzle. we scale the cliff of our mindful natural instincts until the path ends and we succumb to the valve of infinite depth and awareness.

time dilation occurs through advanced forms of meditation, and generally whenever we get swept up in the winds of hypnotic naturalization.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

I don’t think we could ever know the purpose of the entire universe as a whole. It’s beyond us. The best we can do is make educated guesses with the limited knowledge that we have.

I think if we wanted to get close to knowing it’s purpose, we should look at it in terms of a lower form, not as what we normally perceive it as. If we focused on something specific, such as an apple, then zoomed in until we started observing things on an atomic scale, well, that’s kind of a universe in itself at that level and we full access to that universe, where as we can only partially observe possibly a small percentage of bigger one surrounding us.

I think operating from a standpoint like that will help us better understand the purpose of the bigger universe. A universe of atoms might act in a similar way to the larger universe.

Also, Neil DeGrasse Tyson brings up good points in his does the universe have a purpose vid:

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

To bring everything within it to a state of pure, unending love.

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MerkyWaters (1) (@nmerk1) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

Maybe there is no purpose, and all that you can see, do, feel, etc. is just. What i mean is that perhaps by some incomprehensible decimal percentage of chance is why this universe is here. Maybe purpose is something you must decide for yourself. You yourself are part of this universe and an maybe, just maybe we all are simply the universe experiencing itself.

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FilipT (12) (@Filip.Tanaka) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

The purpose of life is to give life a purpose, we all tend to think theres a purpose to everything, then we might miss the point and the beauty of the magic trick, maybe we cant know everything because of how simple we are, like a monkey is by far smarter than a common garden worm, and then look at how much smarter we are compared to the monkey, we are building complex machinery sent into space and constructing buildings and producing art and poetry, math and science.

What if knowing the purpose and truth would take a brain power and understaning more complex and smarter in the same direction we are smarter than the monkey is to the worm.

Ill just leave that thought there.

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danisurya (19) (@danisurya) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

Life has no purpose and so the universe. This is the most optimistic insight i ever got to through meditation. It did not happen through contemplation. Simple awareness of body and breath. there was pure silence for hours until the revelation came. Purpose needs two things: it needs this moment and a next moment. but that next moment never comes. try to understand: things with purpose, make things important, earnest, heavy. Purposless things like growing long hair, sleeping during the day, playing a game – they are fun things! they are light they are full of dance and life. it does not need the the next moment. now is already so good so complete. the purpose of this moment is the moment itself. Enjoy it! the universe’s purpose is to be here and now. Enjoy it. Why so serious? :) dance for god sake! we are not here to think – but if you do, do it for fun and with a smile. enjoy different opinions lifestyles. its all fun, there is no harm. only if you become serious about it and think in a ‘purpose way’ which means ‘logical way’ then life is in danger, then the dance is in danger. The only purpose you will then miss!!

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