question about power

Tine (@tine) 8 years, 10 months ago

if i feel my mind can discern right from wrong, to where i have control over my actions to the point where i can actively chose and not just succumb to impulse,

can i set my mind to power and remain uncorrupted?

what i mean is, choosing to focus on activities that make me powerful with a desire to use it for the betterment rather the detriment of humanity,

is this what someone mentioned the other day as, ‘tricking the ego’, enslaving it into making you productive, but the cause/effect is good rather than bad?

i have been all ego, then i completed deleted it, i now realize neither of the extremes are correct, balance is always the right answer,

January 31, 2013 at 7:59 am
Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@tine, Well I don’t look at things as right or wrong, just that they all have advantages and disadvantages, with the goal being to figure out which option has the greater share of advantage or the most acceptable measure of disadvantage.
I have a saying “Greatness tends to destroy humility, unless of course what is great about you is your humility” but choosing the greater advantage and the most tolerable disadvantage is not “tricking the ego” it is the ego seeing logic and how it can benefit.
Maybe this is not what you mean?

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

I think generally you don’t want to harm others for superficial reasons but if such an action puts you in a position where at some point you can return to compensate for that harm, or go on to use that power for benefit in other ways, then I think it is justifyable.
If you are in a position to help people, even if there is no chance of being credited for that deed, then I think it generally still goes on to make the world that little bit better, potentially those who benefit may capitalize in beneficial ways or superficial ways, or they may not capitalize at all, but that is their logic working or failing, which is not your responsibility, you have already met your responsibility.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

But when in power over what may or may not benefit others according to your choices and deeds, I think the best way to remain uncorrupted is to indulge superficial personal gains in other areas, areas that don’t effect others. It is not a bad thing to reward yourself with trivial and otherwise non-productive exploits, it is down time and release for the pressures you build from being in duty mode.

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Beni (110)C (@beniandtheuniverse) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@tine, Being able to discern between uncorrupted power and corrupted power gives you a great advantage to begin with. Your ability to look at circumstances objectively and unselfishly will absolutely lead to successful benevolent power. Just don’t feel too bad if the system still sets you up to be any of the characteristics associated with the “power hungry”. Never ignore your intuition, even if it’s telling you that you’re being a bit of a douche (for lack of a better example). You know you, trust it and achieve as much as you would like.

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Ben (148) (@cognizantelephant) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@tine, Oh boy.. Dude, relax.

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Upfeeling (0) (@mrheuser) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Believing you can use power as I think you define it to betterment of humanity is your ego tricking you…not only will you end up doing something “wrong” but if you are truly determined not to do it you will do it before you start. The problem here is “power” itself, that in this case means status, money, influence. And the way that works is that power lends itself to negative things such as corruption, so just by acquiring power you are feeding that negativity system.

Take for example, you invest in oil, because it´s what gives money, and then instead of reinvesting in oil you do it in clean energies…what happens is you are partially burning your money because alternative energies don´t give money and your initial investment in oil strenghtened the system already….but, as I see it, the current economic power system will keep growing, and people benefitting from it, so you can do it too and benefit the world even if just in an small way or keep being powerless for some non-working ideals.

In short, adapt to enviroment, survive, empower yourself, strengthen what you believe in and weaken whatever you don´t…eventually you can stop feeding the negative system and if enough people do it it will collapse and better ways will emerge.

You can also keep feeding the power system even if it´s detrimental, but is still working so you can help….it´s no comfortable position if you believe in more fair ways but as long as the system is working someone has to do it.

On the other hand, I tell you, since you are working inside the system and are at the top, you´ll naturally see it more favourably…and keeping balance is hard…you´ll either opt out or become fully immersed which turns out in corruption(a third option is to somehow become a rebellion leader, but that is unlikely)….so, the best option is to set clear goals and plan, prepare in advance even if you don´t get to a certain level of influence just so you don´t lose your position and maintain your ambitions.

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@tine, Power over what?

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Tine (366) (@tine) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@beniandtheuniverse,

its weakness, but i am afraid of myself, for so long the i who held the reins did not nothing but destroy, basically, i’ve failed, a lot, and then some, i grew to relish darkness, putrid was my soul, laughing and manic, this madness so sweet, nothing tastes better than a little destruction, a dash of chaos, and because i was unhappy with myself i made all unhappy around me, and i did so from the shadows, but, its funny how life changes you, i guess i dont trust myself fully yet

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Beni (110)C (@beniandtheuniverse) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@tine, “i guess i dont trust myself fully yet ”

Good. Admit it and move on. You know better than to wallow I’m sure.
Now you know your first priority, make yourself a person you can trust.

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Mike M (13) (@mikem) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@tine, “balance is always the right answer” Well, that seems like a rather unbalanced position ;)

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Tine (366) (@tine) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@mrheuser,

–means status, money, influence–

none of these represent any desire i seek, i agree with your assessment on them, i am speaking of a power as in a fortitude to ……………

you know, i think i just found my answer, lol, thanks bud, your post supplied the context.

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Tine (366) (@tine) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@mikem,

lol

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Tine (366) (@tine) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@beniandtheuniverse,

no, i wallow, i realize this, i hide behind excuses, even this question is one, sigh, thank you for your words

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Tine (366) (@tine) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@beyond,

that’s a good question, given me pause

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Tine (366) (@tine) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@cognizantelephant,

lol, ( deep breath ) .. k, there. =)

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@tine, You can’t trust in the weakness you have, that is why it is weakness. What you can trust in is when things make sense to you, the difference between that and the gravitational compulsion of weakness is apples and oranges, the two couldn’t be more different. Conforming to what makes sense takes work but pays off, it is an investment, but you have already indulged weakness and found no satisfaction in it, use that repulsion to fuel your efforts to apply what makes sense. (over simplify much?)

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Tine (366) (@tine) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@trek79,

hrm, i like how you described them, i think we are of the same mind here, i view them as destructive and constructive, destructive, no matter the short term gain always ends up hurting you in the end, i think the term ( sin ) contextualizes many of these acts, for me, its about removing destructive acts from my life and focus only on building, for i have found a motivation within the idea of creation that i have been searching a long time for, perhaps it is redemption

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