Raw Paleo Experiment/Challenge – 30 Days

Vasco (@vasco) 8 years, 9 months ago

It’s official. Next Monday I will begin a crazy experiment of eating a raw paleo diet. I will share my experiences on my blog (opening post: http://www.vascobrazao.com/2013/02/08/raw-paleo-experiment/), but if you want I can share them here as well. Is anyone interested?

Or better yet, is anyone interested in doing this with me? Maybe start one week later so you have time to prepare and inform yourselves?

Anyway, I’m really stoked and just felt like sharing this :)

February 8, 2013 at 9:57 am
Veggies4Lyfe (35) (@iluvdamusic) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@vasco, I’ve been thinking about going on a raw diet as well. I’ve never heard of the paleo aspect of it, and while I agree with most of it I still think legumes would have to be part since I’m a vegetarian.
Also raw meat?! Isn’t there major health hazards with eating straight raw beef and other animals?

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Vasco (224)C (@vasco) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@iluvdamusic, Since I’m doing this for the health, I don’t know how a vegetarian diet would fit this paradigm — vegetarian diets are just inferior to paleo diets health-wise. However, I think you could do it (without the legumes — they are not good for you, raw or otherwise), as long as you add enough eggs for energy and protein.

“Also raw meat?! Isn’t there major health hazards with eating straight raw beef and other animals?”

Not really, no. For safety, though, I will freeze my meat for at least a week before consumption and limit my pork consumption. This is just to kill any bacteria or parasites that might come with the meat. You’ll greatly reduce the risk of parasites and stuff by choosing pasture raised free range meat and organic eggs.

If you’d like to learn why I think a vegetarian diet is not ideal, you might want to read this book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0977679527/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0977679527&linkCode=as2&tag=vascobrcom-20 (I’m not hating on you, btw. Used to be a vegetarian too and even considered going raw vegan. Now, though, I know that that wouldn’t be the best for my health.)

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Heed them, HEthen (91) (@heedthem) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@iluvdamusic, I do not bash anyone who is Vegetarian, for whatever reason. I used to be Vegetarian for 3 years and was Vegan for a short period of time.
However, I would also like to uphold the argument that there has been plenty of tests that accumulate to the general argument that vegetarian is not healthier, and if you don’t upkeep with proper nutrition, is less healthy.

The Dalai Lama had to stop being vegetarian because it wasn’t as healthy as eating cleaner meat.

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Heed them, HEthen (91) (@heedthem) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@vasco, I’ve been interested in the Paleo diet, though raw is probably not within the walls of my wallet.
There are a lot of arguments against raw dieting. I’m not opposed to trying it (truth be told, I love a LOT of veggies better raw or barely cooked, and I sure do love my sushi and pan-seared meat). But there are also certain vegetables that released certain nutrients through heat amirite? Like spinach and bell peppers as well as meats. Do you have well-resourced info on the raw aspect?

Also, I have a couple questions on some of the aspects of Paleo (I will be doing the paleo very soon, regardless, as I really like the idea and it’s simple to execute.)
Like the thing on legumes – how are they bad for you? I keep reading that on a couple different Paleo sites and it confuses me.

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Vasco (224)C (@vasco) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@heedthem, “There are a lot of arguments against raw dieting.”

Such as…? I have informed myself thoroughly on the raw diet and really believe it is close to optimal (some things might be better for us cooked, but, in general, raw is better). However, if you find arguments against it, bring them on! I love learning and challenging my current beliefs.

“Like the thing on legumes – how are they bad for you?”

By now you should now that grains are bad for you for many reasons (you know that, right?). Well, legumes are, toxicologically speaking, grain-like. They have many toxins that will make you sick if you eat them raw, and some that cannot even be destroyed by cooking. Have you ever noticed bloating after eating beans, for example? That’s the toxins workin’. So yeah, most health-conscious people now have learned to stay away from legumes as well as grains.

If you need more resources, check out the books I mentioned at the end of my article. They should answer most of your questions.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@iluvdamusic, Legumes are poison. Full of anti-nutrients and indigestible shit.

Raw meat is only dangerous if your body’s immune system doesn’t work properly. We are evolved to get the lion’s share of our calories from meat, and there wasn’t cooking back in the day. And before you start going on about us having evolved and not being fit to eat like our primal ancestors, know that science says otherwise. It takes way too long for changes like that take place, especially when selective pressure is so low. Our genome is the same as it was back in the paleolithic era.

Now, a life form that can’t eat what it’s supposed to would have gone extinct.
The problem is industrial meat. That shit is poison, it’s full of disease and shit that should never be consumed.
Real meat though, that’s safe to eat as is. Yes, it’s full of bacteria, but bacteria isn’t dangerous. Your immune system might need some time to adapt, but soon you’ll be able to eat most meat raw without problems. Stay away from bird meat though, because some of the germs in it will fuck you up.

Cooking food corrupts nutrients and removes the enzymes needed to digest it. It also floods the food with free radicals and other carcinogens. Meat and veggies alike. It’s foreign to the human digestive system.

Pulling off a vegetarian diet while being healthy is quite the challenge. Humans are supposed to eat meat. And we can’t digest cellulosa, which basically means a lot of greens will cause unnecessary fermentation. Yes, this goes for meat that isn’t properly masticated as well.
To keep a healthy diet as a vegetarian, you’d need quite a bit of eggs and (raw) milk.

Processed milk/dairy should be avoided at all costs, because it’s some of the deadliest food there is. It can’t be digested, it fucks with your insulin due to the lack of lactase, the mangled fat globules damage your veins and arteries which eventually leads to buildup of cholesterol choking the blood flow.

What society and magazines tell you about diet is bullshit, all they want is your money, not to help you stay healthy.
Common sense goes a long way.

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Heed them, HEthen (91) (@heedthem) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@vasco, Sorry, I guess I didn’t word it right. There are a decent amount of credible resources (not that they are more correct than your credible resources, they are just a name as well) that not argue explicitly AGAINST raw dieting, but do tend to stand on slightly negative neutral ground that the argument about the enzymes (basically the whole paradigm of raw dieting) is still being examined and has not had any black-and-white breakthrough, and therefore since it goes against the grain of our “normal” societal behavior which at least they, if not us the customers, know very well what happens to that meat and those vegetables, etc, they suggest a questionable approach is better off not tested.
Basically, the enzymes that are the entire argument for the raw diet exist to serve only the living organism that is now dead. The enzymes in that cauliflower don’t aid the human digestive tract, they aid the cauliflower. The enzymes in raw milk don’t aid humans the same way, they aid what it’s made for: the calf. The Paleo diet argues that we should only eat what was available to us as our ancestors, well while cows did exist, we weren’t necessarily supposed to be drinking the milk for their young.
Our milk dries up either because it’s supposed to, or because children stopped drinking from it. We made our bodies need the stuff that cows make, so that isn’t really necessarily “from the way we were made.”

Also, another argument is that we aren’t absolutely in need of pure nutrients. We still digest and consume food and can continue to do so until we die – it’s only when we start ingesting the toxic shit that we use to process food and make it so far away from it’s natural state.

I do agree with the argument that we eat too much grains. We eat too many grains, too much sugar, and too much dairy, and is unhealthy for you.

Anyway, I don’t know if this is all true or not, I just know what I’ve read:
http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/healthy-food-the-cold-truth-about-raw-food-diets.html

The Uncooked Truth about Raw Diets

http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked/raw-cooked-1a.shtml

http://www.foodprocessing.com/articles/2005/506.html

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Vasco (224)C (@vasco) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

Bump.

I have already done my raw paleo trial and wrote a post about what it was like and what I learned from it. If you’re interested, check it out here: http://www.vascobrazao.com/2013/03/13/raw-paleo-experiment-review/

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