Reality vs drug induced reality

 robbiew8n (@mickyisback) 7 years, 8 months ago

There is no real “reality, only that which we create for ourselves using sensory input and cognitive interpretation. Hence anything perceived whilst in a drug induced state is as valid as anything perceived when drug free.

February 12, 2014 at 2:59 pm
Quincy (13) (@forward) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

@mickyisback
True! Quite true. However you have to define “reality” before you can say what it is or is not. Personally it is to me the by-product of all the elements around us in play, all the time, never ending, always enduring, never ceasing. So, with my personal definition and beliefs, drugs are merely tools of choice in which one can use or refuse to use to mend our own paths in life. I see them as tools in which I can use to change the perception of the reality I am in as opposed to changing reality itself. With that being said, reality is the by-product of our universal elements and laws all in play at once. We can’t neccessarily change a state in which the universe is in but can use ourselves as lets say a door, a tool in a manner that allows us to perceive this reality from an alternate perspective.

Had to type a little fast, and might be a bit across the board but heading out while doing this. also let me know what you think!

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robbiew8n (11) (@mickyisback) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Hey… ty for replying, even though you were rushing out. Hmmm… define reality? How about there is no reality that can be perceived in our present state of being? What if all our perceptions of reality are just that… like looking at a dvd image that doesn’t actually exist except as a projection from digital stimuli……. what if our supposed reality is the equivalent of a computer code (01100101101000111?) just as our physical structure is encoded by DNA? What if everything or some of what surrounds us is not really there, just energy flows that we interpret, as we interpret energy wavelengths as sound or colour without them actually existing…. like the screen that shows a picture from the dvd.? What if there are more “ifs” than have concepts within our limits?

Maybe drug induced “reality” connects us with another, equal valid image of a reality that is just another attuning to our own constructs?

mx:))

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Quincy (13) (@forward) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

ah! Energy, my friend, energy! I am not one to cling to any one specific idea when it comes to explaining the universe but one I hold dear to is that of energy. The best way i’ve heard it described is something like this :
E=mc^2, which in itself states that with enough energy the creation of mass can be conceived. A simple formula that says mass can be created from nothing essentially! But beyond that what are we? We are a manifestation of energy, down to our core, and to the atom, and further so to the quarks, leptons an quasars. Even further so, these subatomic qualities are merely vibrations. Vibrations of enregy, at different outputs, wavelengths, frequencies and so on.
They went on to compare the likeness of religious deities, and their descrpitions, definitions etc., with that of energy… always present, always powerful, the make up of the universe and so on. Back to what you were saying… personally I think of reality as any other definitive force in the universe such as gravity. its always there and we can’t really change it in a way that the law of relativity could be broken down if disproved. But it doesn’t make sense to me. Reality is something that everyone experiences, defines and labels differently and is an extremely personal force throughout the universe. Aspects of it can’t be perceived (because I can’t fathom what the other side of the universe would be like), some are all too familiar (the regular 9-5 schedule) and a lot of it lies withina modest grey area (fathomable yes, practical or probable no) I might have an idea of how another country would be but much of what I thought would probably be wrong. Hopefully this makes sense lol.
Regardless, I think energy is the fundamental make up of our universe, where energy can be perceived in soo many ways but in essence nothing more than a compilation of infinitely small vibrations.

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robbiew8n (11) (@mickyisback) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

I LOVE your way of thinking and expressing… maybe because we share a logic. If we are energy, then ultimately we are no more separate than a flow of electrons along a cable are separate. Namaste, fellow traveller. mx:))

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Quincy (13) (@forward) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Name your topic my friend!

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undone (5) (@HEman) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

valid but not verifiable. And so, living in a society in which verification corresponding to the empirical sciences is dominant, your drug induced states carry no weight.

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Quincy (13) (@forward) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

sobriety may very well be a state as well then. After all our perception of reality is a compilation of life experiences that directly influence how we think about, define, and endure what ever reality is.

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robbiew8n (11) (@mickyisback) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

The empirical sciences are increasingly show that all is composed of atoms, which are composed mostly of empty space…. hence understanding of what is real is changing as knowledge increases. Perhaps drug-induced reality takes us closer to real reality. mx:))

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Anonymous (64) (@) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Epic statement HEman. Truth.

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Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

there is obviously some reality since you exist. its just that you cant ‘see’ the real reality.

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robbiew8n (11) (@mickyisback) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

My sentient consciousness exists. As for the rest, physical chemistry is increasingly showing that the atoms are mostly empty space with some particles of energy (electrons, protons etc). What we perceive as solid is anything but solid. mx:))

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Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

i never said material reality :). but something has to exist or you wouldnt be able to be lol.

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robbiew8n (11) (@mickyisback) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Ah! I understand now. ty mx:))

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robbiew8n (11) (@mickyisback) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

How do I know I exist? which part of me is real? My body is made up of millions of vibrating atoms and a lot of empty space…. my perception tells me my body is real and solid… if “solid” is a lie, is “real” also a lie? My thoughts are real, “I think, therefore I am”. mx:))

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OkWithMe (1) (@activa) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

“…using sensory input and cognitive interpretation.” Interesting—I just watched “Inner Worlds, Outer Worlds” on youtube (free complete video in HD, highly recommended) and learned that in some philosophies/traditions, thought is considered a sense—in other words, even our thoughts are simply perceptions, like we’re simply receivers. The same must be true of dreams, just as valid.

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Gambit (2) (@iGambit) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Objective reality is something that is objectively real. We just have to view it through the eye glass of our subjective senses.

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robbiew8n (11) (@mickyisback) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Is there an objective reality? I used to believe there was such a thing but I increasing doubt it. This comes from my increased intention to hear what others say and to comprehend what they write… and as a consequence I discover that we do not share the same reality and although they do overlap, there is not the same overlap with everyone, hence I question is everything a construct of our minds: blue does not exist and falling trees do not make a sound.. mx:))

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Anonymous (64) (@) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.” – Albert Einstein

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robbiew8n (11) (@mickyisback) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Whom could say it better then AE? Seems that he would confirm my statement “Blue does not exist and falling trees do not make a sound”. mx:))

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Anonymous (64) (@) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Check out this dialogue between Albert Einstein and Rabindranath Tagore. In it they discuss whether a table in a room exists after you leave the room.

When Einstein Met Tagore: A Remarkable Meeting of Minds on the Edge of Science and Spirituality

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Whit (48) (@hwwbaseball) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

You know those moments of your life, the insignificant ones, the ones that you don’t think twice about. The ones that in most of your life you will never think about again? I get trapped in those moments in a drug induced state. (Im gonna apologize in advance for this sounding confusing I’ve had trouble getting this to words) In this moment I feel aware and accept that every reality is possible. Its almost like my digestion of everything my mind is taking in has diverted all focus to the right here right now. The first time this happened to me I was scared shitless and I thought this was the end of it all. But every time after I’ve been able to experience this with a little more calm attitude, I do this by knowing that I will return to my, well I have sort of figured I return to my “main” reality. I like what you were saying about all realities being true in themselves because they are all just different perceptions. I think this is so powerful though. It has provided me with an overload of perspective on things such as life or as little as what clothes I am wearing. This can happen to me now even off of drugs where it just takes over my brain. But I know that i can tackle this, and that I can also use it to my advantage in life. This is me just scrapping the surface of this, would love to hear your guys thoughts it would mean a lot.

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