Reducing feminine energies

 Zhaetur (@zhaetur)5 years ago

Hey everybody

I was wondering if you could give me some help with an issue i’ve been working on. I recently read the book king warrior magician lover (great book on masculine archetypes if you haven’t read it!) and one of the things it talks about is reducing feminine energies effects on yourself. It states that if you’re being overly controlled by feminine forces to where you feel no control coming from inside yourself you should cut off some of the external feminine energies to feel more internal masculine energies.

I’ve been noticing this greatly in myself recently. Last weekend I was tripping at a music festival and was literally being blown around by the wind. I was moving around, though it didn’t feel like it was coming from myself but from an external force.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to cut off or lessen these external forces?

Thanks

May 27, 2015 at 12:17 pm
Eyeofpanther (7) (@Eyeofpanther) 5 years ago ago

I don’t know exactly how you have been taught to characterize feminine or masculine energies, but I am of the opinion that both masculine and feminine energies are inherently nuetral… Unless you attach your own attracted notions. Nothing is necessarily positive or negative, it is your thoughts that make them so. My advice would be meditation with an intention to balance the yin yang energies. I would chose balance over dominance any day.

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Xadious (17) (@ZachTheReliable) 5 years ago ago

@eyeofpanther Based on your comment i can kinda infer what your opinion is but it’s best to ask. Do you think there is a true right and wrong or absolute positive and negative energy?



Just to express my thoughts this comment got me thinking. Is there a correlation between “positive energy” to the broad word “good” and likewise to “negative energy” and bad? One thing i’ve been pondering for a while now is whether there is true negative and positive or how we socially deem things good or bad. It makes sense that there wouldn’t be a black and white b/c the universe does go on in a flow and something negative to one could be positive to another indirectly. It’s just difficult for me to understand. I actually contested the idea of neutral energy for while. I believe that to be b/c humans love certainty and we are such strongly perceptive people as reflected by our society.
I took a moment to look up the meaning of the Yin and Yang symbol and found that my ignorance towards this subject is quite large.

“Nothing in the universe, or in life, is simple black or white. Each exists in the other and each needs the other to exist. Located in the areas of their opposite colors, the small circles show that nothing is absolute.” 

“Yin and yang can be thought of as complementary (rather than opposing)”

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Eyeofpanther (7) (@Eyeofpanther) 5 years ago ago

I think what you are asking is very broad, important, and difficult to do justice to… but nonetheless I will try my best. 

Personally, I think that negative energy is very intense because it is in a state of conflict with its natural self. I believe that all energy in essence is positive, but can be attracted (especially by our minds/ perspectives) into being what is perceived as negative. The Law of Attraction effects all of the energy around us and what is presented to us as reality.

So basically, I think there is a “Good” and a “Truth”, but I do not think that necessarily means there must be a “Bad” in existence. Instead, I think if you go farther away from truth or if positive energy is converted or perceived as negative, then in comparison to higher vibrations of truth it appears as an opposite or a negative.

I am not sure if I am making total sense, but this topic is difficult to describe. I think that “Truth” and “Positive energy” is in existence, and is very real, and any other energy that appears awry in comparison to it can be perceived as negative, because it seems to be an opposite. It is like if there was a very hot torch in the center of the room, and something else farther away like a cup that is less hot. Comparably, the cup would seem “cold” or “negative” to the intense positivity of the torch… But that does not necessarily mean there is a freezer in the room or an absolute negativity in existence.

Nevertheless, I do not think positivity or negativity can be associated with the feminine or masculine…And I don’t think that’s what you were trying to say either. The Yin and Yang is a very powerful idea…and from my perspective it describes how perceived negativity is necessary for growth… and how its inner essence remains positivity…

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 5 years ago ago

That’s exactly why there are different types of people. They balance each other. You don’t necessarily have to be balanced yourself. That just makes people homogenous and neutralized. 

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Eyeofpanther (7) (@Eyeofpanther) 5 years ago ago

I think in a healthy relationship each person has balanced alpha or “masculine” and omega or “feminine” qualities. The more whole and well-rounded each individual in the relationship is, and the more each explores both sides, alpha and omega, the more the independent and interdependent they become. It is slightly paradoxical, but this guy says it better than me: http://www.thedailyzen.org/2015/03/17/osho-on-love/

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Zhaetur (89) (@zhaetur) 5 years ago ago

I never said any energy was better than the other. Everything including energies are intrinsically neutral. Their polarities come from personal circumstances. In my personal circumstances feminine energies are overpowering and masculine energies are underwhelming. This doesn’t mean either energy is good or bad only that the balance of the energies is poor and my quality of life reflects that.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 5 years ago ago

Be still. Just sit and feel your breath and observe your thoughts and feelings. 
Movement practices like yoga, and mind expanding drugs can be very Feminizing.  Compound that with the fact that out modern culture in America has tons of Feminizing influences already, and it’s a recipe for disconnecting from that masculine side of yourself.
the observing faculty is the masculine. Movement, thoughts, emotions, are all feminine. You can connect to that primordial masculine part of yourself by cutting out distractions (for a time), and allowing that witnessing factor to strengthen. 
For me, I like to have lots of time in my day where I can just sit and be aware of my emotions. I also like to jog slowly or lift weights. 
Think of the masculine part of you as the foundation of a building. You can’t see it, and it’s not showy or interesting. But it’s vital for the superstructure (femine aspect) to stand strong.
you need a strong foundation, especially as a male, in order not to just get overtaken by feelings and emotions. 

Most people would regard practices that strengthen the masculine side of yourself as boring, since all it really involves is strengthening your focus and attention, until you get to the point where you’re no longer pulled around by your/other people’s emotions, thoughts, ideologies, etc.

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Zhaetur (89) (@zhaetur) 5 years ago ago

Excellent response. That was exactly what I was looking for.
How did you come to the conclusion that drugs, emotions, and movements are feminine in nature? Is it that they’re more centered around expression of the self and not the existence of the self? That they’re more of an aid to an existing structure/ foundation?
Pulled around by your/other people’s emotions, thoughts, ideologies, etc was a very good way of putting it. My meditation practice will receive a much needed boost in motivation from this.

Lastly could you expand on meditations that strengthen the masculine side of the self? Specifically expansion on the meditations’ intentions and practice methods.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 5 years ago ago

Good to hear that. Everything I said can basically be summed up by: put your attention in your body. Drop out of your head and into your body.  
Perform activities that help you do this. You don’t really need an intellectual explanation to get it. There are no specific activities, since everyone is different.  Walking, running, lifting weights, and just sitting and observing stuff all work for me. Also listening to Eckhart Tolle helps (I highly recommend him if you haven’t read/listened to his books).   For you it seems like formal meditation might help you to do this?  For me personally, it oftentimes has the opposite effect, but I’m warming up to it. 

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 5 years ago ago

Also, it’s not really about reducing feminine energies. Rather, you should focus on becoming aware of them.  Reducing seems like repressing to me. And since everyone has emotions, thoughts, and feelings (which are feminine, archetypically speaking), you can’t really reduce them.  You can only become dis-identified with them.  And that ability of disidentification is the masculine awareness. You’re fully aware of your feminine side, but not identified with it. And with the awareness of your feminine side, it begins to balance out on its own.  

A man who feels rather than just thinks is rooted in his masculine. That’s how you strengthen it.  

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Zhaetur (89) (@zhaetur) 5 years ago ago

I’m having trouble moving my awareness. I can move it for about a second but after that the awareness retreats into the fog of my mind. How do you hold the awareness constant while performing this meditation?

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 5 years ago ago

Here are a couple helpful pointers:

1. Connect with your breath whenever you can.  Just notice it.  It helps you to root in your body.  

2. Feel your emotions. Don’t label them.  Just feel whatever is there to feel, good or bad.

3. Focus on your environment.  Use your senses fullyFeel the chair you’re sitting on, listen to the birds chirping or cars passing by.  Look around, listen. When you’re aware of your environment, you’re also rooted in yourself. 

All these are ways to move your attention away from the mind and into your body. 

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How do you know the part about movement, thoughts, and emotions being feminine? Doing deadlifts, being angry, or thinking about punching someone seem quite masculine to me.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 5 years ago ago

That’s only true from a stereotypical perspective.  “Masculine” has very little to do with acting like a stereotypical macho person.

From an archetypal perspective, masculine is awareness (emptiness) and feminine is anything that the awareness perceives (form). Yin and Yang.  And what can you perceive? Thoughts, feelings, sensations, and anything that exists.  

People identified more with awareness (rather than their emotions and thoughts) tend to do things that are stereotypically masculine (fishing, meditating, observing, etc.) People identified more with the flow of their emotions and thoughts tend to do things that are stereotypically feminine (have emotional outbursts, yoga, dancing, singing, etc.) but those actions in themselves have nothing to do with true masculinity or femininity.  

To me, true masculinity means being in touch and AWARE of with your feminine side, but not identified with it.  You are aware of your emotions and feelings and thoughts, but none of if takes you over.  

Someone who is overtaken by anger and wants to punch people, as you described, is a slave to their emotions and thoughts.  This is only superficial masculinity, because they lack awareness of their feminine side, and it controls them.  

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jdirt2019 (0) (@jdirtFOREVER) 5 years ago ago

Funny, I used to dance under the name “king warrior magician lover”. They must’ve seen one of my performances.

I assume this is a gentleman asking the question. Aorus? Regarding “cutting off” or “lessening” the external forces, the “external feminine energies” as you say… I would take their power away by confronting the issue head on. Think about it, what exactly are these energies? Is it your desire to be with them? The great attractor? Is that what it is?

Spell it out as plainly as you can, no hiding behind silly words like “overly controlled” or “external energies”. Just say it. You want to be with a woman. That’s ok! It’s about the most natural thing you can do…or one of them, after eating and drinking.

 Anyway, just address the problem, realize we’re all humans and this is just how it is. Everyone wants to be around women, you’re just like everyone. Welcome to the squad! To reduce the forces, or whatever you’re talking about, just realize they’re only people. They poop sitting down too. They’re not special, they’re just pretty. Be a nice person. That should solve your problems. Be the kind of person other people want to be around.            

 

 

 

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Zhaetur (89) (@zhaetur) 5 years ago ago

I don’t feel terribly in touch with my inner feminine so I won’t rule that out but the issue has more to do with external and internal energies. There are natural forces and energies surrounding us. It feels as if my realities (I have more than one, they’re inside each other like an onion. I assume this is common) are being pushed around by a force greater than myself. To put it in laymens terms I’m not acting through my own intentions but through some external ones. The external ones may very well be from me but a part of myself that I don’t recognize as myself.

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Barizona (1) (@Barizona) 5 years ago ago

Great question ! Didn’t realise it myself until now. Thank you for this. 

As mentioned, the breathing technique and being still as mikey said helped for me.

When using your inner voice, talk more slowly and with a low tone. It can help to. Or try to feel your body with a cold attitude. 

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Anonymous (2) (@) 5 years ago ago

My last reply didn’t send fully so hopefully there aren’t two from me… It’s easy to look at anything and see it’s femininity or masculinity because there are a lot of theories about how each principle manifests in the world and nothing can occur really without both. If the masculine energy is only a witness like it has been presented in eastern philosophy, then It doesn’t want anything, including to refine your energy or be in control. That is different than the active vs. passive principles taken from male and female form.

If you feel too swept up in sensation, the easiest way to come down to Earth is to have a clear reason for where you are and what you’re doing. 

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