Religion

Bryan Hellard (@xyver) 11 years, 5 months ago

Ok, I hope to make this as minimally controversial as possible. Looking at the most recent poll, I see that more then a few people are listed as "very religious". So, to those people, I pose the question "Why?"

What got you started in religion?
Why do you stick with your religion, and not a different one?
How do you stick to your religion, when there are so many things in this world that tell you not to, or why you shouldn’t?

February 22, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Matt P (16) (@mkp843) 10 years, 11 months ago ago

Well said Alex, I agree that looking at it either way is a matter of faith, I never thought of that..

I really think that the solution to this question (creator or not) is in Mike and I’s discussion about the trillion sided di.. our existence is either one lucky roll of one giant di, which is possible.. Or .. is many lucky rolls of that same di to create existence (if you differentiate ‘life’ into many factors) .. So where are ‘the’ answers?

Religion is like a stepping stone, but does that stepping stone really bring you to a higher existence.. I tend to think it doesn’t, but that is a leap because I do not practice ‘faith’, I do however try to figure out (from my side of the fence) what the creator is capable of.. while organizing the thoughts of whether a creator or not exists, and either trying to put yourself in the shoes of science (figure it out) or in the shoes of a creator is fun, you will still be neither of the two, (science is more applicable I would argue for that matter, I’m just starting to find an interest in it actually). So you are still left to figure out what you are, and what you are capable of.. We don’t have to have religion to talk about love, be able to fully understand it, and conquer it for that matter.. Or any other topic for that matter in my opinion.. I’m not religious, but I still believe in God.. didn’t need it for that..

Mike I like the point you made in saying we shouldn’t just write it off as a creator and move on.. There is drive in that for discovery, not there is not drive in the other side of the argument.. but between the two is where I think ‘the’ answers are.. so bridging that gap to find common ground we might find what is truly worth perusing and conquering.

And there are more ways to communicate than language.. It takes perception for me, I don’t know anything (have any experience) with ‘psychic’ ability.. but I can perceive thoughts from my perspective.. body language for example.. or like when you look at someone and you know something about them because you are similar.. maybe something silly.. like you can identify someone that smokes pot after interacting with them even tho they never told you.. but that might be a law of attraction thing.. the language part was a great point so I tried to throw something out there on it.

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Renee (71)C (@themorning) 10 years, 11 months ago ago

This is my first post, though I have been reading wonderful thoughts and ideas on this blog for months now. I grew up without too much religion. Technically I was baptist, and sporadically went to church with my Aunt until I was 8. The hate, confusion, and lies surrounding organized religion never sat right with me, and the notion of a higher being wanting our praise and worship didn’t feel right either.

The past year has been an opening of my mind, as I became obsessed with reading and learning anything about quantum physics, human consciousness, religion, and ‘the big questions’. I think asking the right questions is what started me on all this. Anyways. Here is what I now believe, though I know this will grow and change from the new things I learn and experience.

I think that the universe is a larger construct of the human mind, our consciousness. How much we’ve discovered in the universe represents how much of our minds we are using. The more we become open, or “awake”, the more we will use our minds to their full potential, and THIS is when more discovery of the universe will happen.

I believe that everything is energy. We are energy, plants are energy, the earth, all objects are energy; people, thoughts, ideas, god, everything. Our thoughts and consciousness are energy as well, and we have brought this miracle (reality) into existence.

Religion works for some people because they bring the energy into themselves. By believing in their religion, it is true. Miracles exist in some religions because they are believed, they are expected; and so that is the reality. I think we are truly amazing beings. We are god, and we are also nothing. Our energy is converted after death into something new. The energy that you put into your past life will carry over with you into the new, at which point you have a new opportunity to grow from that point. You get what you give, always. The energy you put out will attract like energy. Hate will attract hate, love will attract love.

Our energy effects those around us, even if we can’t see it. If we are happy, this energy is released around us. If we feel hate, the same thing happens. Not to mention how much our actions in every single moment in our lives effect everything around it, and how all the systems of the earth and universe work together. We are absolutely, even physically (even if you can’t see it) connected to everything in the universe.

Thoughts are an extremely powerful kind of energy, and this is what causes hate to breed hate, crime war and violence to continue generation after generation. This will not stop until a global shift in consciousness is made. I believe that the purpose of each one of us is to take care of all of the energy that surrounds us, to see that the energy around us is feeling loved and cared for, and this will eventually allow an ‘opening of consciousness’, and change the world. We are here to learn and grow and use our consciousness to make our reality better, but we are STUCK, which is why I am so happy people like the ones who frequent this website exist. :)

Every religion has spawned from our own consciousness, to make sense of ourselves. But we are everything. We are the god that we made and we are also nothing at all. When you realize there is nothing, this is when your mind has the openness to allow in the notion that nothing is everything.

This may sound gloomy to some, but upon finally realizing how I see the world, it has made me so unbelievably happy. We can create so much love and light, just by letting our ‘self’ go, we have the power to create a ripple effect of caring and love that will someday change our reality. Though I have also learned that I never truly loved another being until I loved myself.

After 26 years of life, never being able to find ANY one thing that I want to do with myself forever, I now know it’s because I never really bought into the idea. I want to learn it all, or at least as much as I can about myself and the world. I’ve come to realize that it’s my purpose in life to inspire awakening and hope in people (just as this blog does), and I don’t know quite yet how I am to achieve this, or in what way. Ideas and comments are very welcome. I’ve just went through massive amounts of epiphanies about myself and the world around me, and they continue every day. Have others experienced something like this?

I guess I would call my religion No Religion. I believe in us, in all, and in nothing. :)

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 10 years, 11 months ago ago

Renee. I could not agree with you more on a few things. First, I think we both came to a sort of realization the same way..Learning. Asking the right questions. Second, I highly believe the universe is a bigger construct of the human mind. It goes both ways for me too, where I feel each cell within me, is a smaller construct of the human mind. We also agree on the fact that thoughts=energy. I take it further, and suggest that your thoughts therefore create energy. I feel the basic of the the universe is consciousness, and not matter. Thoughts are therefore a higher concentration of energy to me. I often wonder if the energy of thoughts are supreme to those of light. To me light is one of the most ‘pure’ things we know about. Every point of reference we’ve ever had is due to light, and everything we ever know is possible because of light. Light requires an infinite amount of energy just to move. It’s also interesting to think that light slows when it goes through glass..but what speeds it back up after it passes? That should be impossible.
I have experienced what you are talking about. It seems everyday I find another reason to live. I feel like I should be doing something special with all this stuff in my life. I just can’t think of what, other then what I’m already doing.


@Matt
, i agree with that. If we are to find solutions to the questions it would be when we bridged the gaps. Also, I feel the same kind of way about faith..I don’t practice it. My brain won’t let me, however my brain did let me understand what faith is for..I just can’t make that leap yet I guess..
Also I agree with the language aspect. Nonverbal communication has always been stronger, and more meaningful..at least to me.

The fact that so many religions say basically the same things, and suggest the same advice really makes me wonder where it all came from. Did some big event happen? or was it just unavoidable for us to think like this? Does it have to do with larger cycles in the universe? I think all are logical. Hell, to me its even logical there was angels flying over our heads at one point. The universe is a BIG place, and there is a lot of time, and a lot of space to cover. We haven’t seen shit yet.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 10 years, 11 months ago ago

@Matt, I have thought over the dice game you guys are thinking about..and i’ve concluded that no matter which way you look at it, god is a probable outcome. Even if its just one die, or many dice..if this is probable, and there are enough numbers involved to where everything works perfectly for us in our environment, and can be considered as chance, then why is the idea of god not bound by that rule of randomness? If everything works for us, and we won the lottery, then it must have worked that way for god too. It’s not unreasonable to believe that something in existence contains perfect levels of knowledge, love, hate, etc. It’s not unreasonable to believe there is an absolute.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 10 years, 11 months ago ago

http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/sandin.htm

and that is relevant to this thread as well.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 10 years, 11 months ago ago

Hmm, creation versus evolution. Obviously there is no possibility that God created life, and the universe, using conservative and natural methods like evolution and the big bang because both sides in this argument are so rigid. Science can not prove God does not exist and I wonder what makes evolutionists think it can and does. Alternatively, I do not understand a creationists fear that evolutionism threatens God in any way, that is a matter of faith.
Why do you hate each other so much? It is reasonable to explore science, as we are naturally curious beings seeking answers. We must also realize that if we believe life is a random fluke of nature, then there is no meaning of life and therefore nothing really matters.
Of course things matter to us but they would be fleeting, in living memory. A romantic believes love is eternal and the idea that there is not something supernaturally eternal about love is actually harder to believe than the existence of God.
Like: “If a tree falls in the woods and there is no one to hear it, does it make a sound?” Picture mankind as that tree and the things that matter to us as the sound it makes. Not only is there no one to hear it but no one gives a damn about a bloody tree man. There is no answer, not because it is rhetorical but because there is no one to even ask the question.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 10 years, 11 months ago ago

I have a truly wackjob view. I believe in God, for example, and I do not believe in the big bang. The big bang is a theory on how the universe began, but I do not believe the universe began but has always been here. I have a lot of concepts on how infinity exists in the universe like infinitely large and infinitely small and infinite time.
I have a belief of energy evolving to a state of thought and they mastered matter. They then went on to fashion life to an increasingly complex state until we came into existence.
Now go on, laugh, I know you want to but I do not see it as impossible.

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Johannes Davidsson (14) (@daokedao) 10 years, 11 months ago ago

Complex is relative. Simple is relative. So well….

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 10 years, 11 months ago ago

I mean complex in a literal sense as a human brain has more to it than the brain of a slug.

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