**Edit: Just added this to my blog here.
If you haven’t seen the video, check it out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YR4CseY9pk
In the video we see Russel getting incredible fired up about the problems that we face today. He points out how the current paradigms that we collectively live within (a hierarchical government, corporations, banks, monetary system etc) are not working. He calls for a revolution. He does not say how it will happen, but he knows it will. I think this is huge. When I first heard of Brand getting into this sort of thing, I thought that he, along with many other socially aware “famous” people, could potentially help spark a deep internal and thus external (r)evolution much needed.
We need to take the power of our lives back. First, we need to recognize that we ARE being controlled.. conditioned. We need to take a deep LOOK at ourselves and watch what we do, how we act, and how we think. We all know the grind of the work week and the weekends. Is there more to life than this? Notice how we all go to our ‘jobs’ where we work for a thing called a ‘corporation’ to receive another thing called ‘money’, that apparently has some value. You then exchange this ‘money’, or more simply put, paper, for food, shelter, and material wants/needs from more ‘corporations’. We participate in this delusion. You participate in this delusion. I participate in this delusion (but not for long). If you aren’t doing anything and are simply watching it all go by while you sit and stare and think, damn, how can I do something to help this world? And then tell yourself no, no, I can’t, not me, I can’t change the world. Then you are contributing to the problem. Don’t change the world, change yourself. EVERYONE has to act. YOU have to act. There is no one-thing in and of itself. It is all one. If YOU act we ALL act. So.. act!
And how do you act? Take back your power. You are being controlled by money, your job, etc. Provide your own energy, grow your own food, build your own shelter… with friends of course! Live 100% off the grid. If we collectively did this, the economy could collapse and instead of everyone entering something 100x worse than the depression, we would be safe in our sustainable homes, living off the land. We can leave “the economy” and all of the other bullshit in the dust and never look back. Oh… and the economy will collapse. Let it. MIT predicts by 2030 it will. I think sooner. But don’t wait… act now or it will be too late.
Someone commented Russell Brand’s post on Facebook, that he’s talking about an individual revolution of selflessness. Revolution meaning a turnaround of the approach people have. It does seem ‘insane’ and ‘impossible’ because a lot of people struggle trusting their own good will.
On another interview he said that it would be better to have an economy based on love instead on greed. He’s just not afraid to share his ideals.
@blankey, well easier said than done since i have a few hundred dollars to my name. However when the time comes for me to settle in one place i will be doing all that i can to make my humble abode earth friendly and sustainable. I wish my close friends were more open to this type of thing, but i have probably one person and his wife that would be on board. For me its great, i dont need privacy like most people. I am much happier when i have friends and family around, but i am also ok with being by myself or just with my girlfriend. Hopefully as more people start to wake up and realize community is what we need love in our community and one of my favorite musicians Josh Heinrichs states.
Maybe attitudes are different on the west coast, and in fact i am sure they are from what i have heard. I cannot wait to get out there and see if for myself. Well this ran on a bit. Bless
@martijn, Right on point. If we all realized, on an individual level, that we are responsible for the ways things are today, only then would we change. This requires a tremendous amount of awareness. Or more so just a slight shift.
So what do you think we need to do? Just simply become more self-aware and then move from there? To me, a trend of off the grid 100% sustainable living (like proposed by Valhalla) could potentially be huge. But of course, first there needs to be a revolution of the psyche, a revolution in consciousness.
Oh and don’t worry about it. I’d rather of not had that one been my first one on HE. A little too wordy and I still don’t really understand the experiment myself lol.
@reinvented2012, For sure. It will be hard. But if enough people get around this idea nothing could stop it. We’re human. For fucks sake, we can fly metal into space, manipulate matter, and travel across the infinite space with our optic-nerves. Our limitations seem to be close to none.
@stfrancis I think you hit the nail and on head, in terms of what the revolution should not be. It should be done by a monstrous redistributive state. It needs to come from individuals.
My social and political philosophy combines the sentiments of the class struggles (which Marx espoused) and economic problems inherent in a democratic-capitalist system with an individual, communitarian anarchism.
I truly believe that capitalism, in its pure sense based on , has shown its ability to lift the standard of living throughout the world. The evils that come through capitalism occur through capitalists’ use of the state. When a company gets rich enough, and when a government has so much control over the economy, the politicians will sell out to these companies. Many of the politicians will claim they are passing laws for the greater good or to help a particular group, when in fact these laws give competitive advantages to these companies and squeeze out the little guys, all at the taxpayers expense. Also, our monetary system is designed to make the rich richer and make things harder for the poor.
That being said, I believe the solution lies in a change of consciousness, individual consciousness. We have to stop demonizing individualism. We have to conceive of a new form of individualism. One based on the idea that the individual and the universe are one entity, showing itself through different eyes. It is not bad to act selfishly, when the self includes everything. In this sense, what is truly best for the self is best for the world.
As we evolve to this level, we enter a new state of consciousness. And as society evolves, the state must be reduced to an absolute minimum. Ideally, over time, the state should become merely a state of consciousness in each individual. No central control, however a central ethic based on the non-agression principle. In this world, the only political rights people have are negative rights. They are free not to be harmed. The state should only stop people from harming people. It should not stop people from harming themselves. It should not force people to help, clothe, feed, house, insure others. If this sounds evil or harsh, you are misinterpreting.
Solutions must come from communities, spiritual organizations, companies themselves, families, and individuals. We must accept responsibility for ourselves and the universe. But this responsibility should not manifest through centralized wealth redistribution and taxation. It must come from the heart, not from force. Government is by nature force. We should not be demonizing rich people. We should be demonizing rich people, who get there by using the state. We should be demonizing the state, itself. We should be demonizing ignorance, prejudice, theft (even Robbin Hood theft), fraud, murder, rape: Harm.
So what I am picturing is kind of a anarchy-capitalist world. In this world, however, individuals must ascend to a new consciousness. Consumers, laborers, and capitalists alike should be conscious individuals. They are self-interested. However, the idea of self is indistinguishable from the global community. They are health conscious, environmentally conscious, socially conscious, spiritually conscious. They care more about love than material abundance. They do not demonize people who have more than them. They do not belittle those with less than them. They are raised from birth to give and receive. They learn over time what they are good at giving their fellow creatures. They learn what they need to receive, in order to live a happy, healthful, responsible life. They partake in commerce. They partake in capitalism. They do not partake in systematic theft. They do not partake in systematic murder.
We do not need a social revolution, as Marx and Brand espouse. You can not change the world. YOu can only change yourself. In the same sense, no one knows how to allocate resources for the entire society. Socialism can not work through a centralized government. Government officials are human too. Only individuals know best how to live their lives. We do not need to take control of the means of production. The entrepreneur or owner of a company knows best how to produce a product and dsitribute it to those who are most willing and able to buy it. At the same time, consumers must know what is truly best for them. They should know to not overindulge. They should know when to share.
An oppressive government (which we now live under) does more harm than good.
We need to do away with the master/slave morality about capitalism and do away with the master/slave relationship between governments and citizens. Entrepreneurs and business owners do not take advantage of laborers. They do laborers a favor, by giving them something to work on. Capitalists take advantage of people by using the government to control things.
The worst thing about the world is lack of responsibility. From kindergarten on were are raised to be awe struck by the government and pledge our allegiance to it. That is the most unhealthy, unearthly thing that can be done. We must pledge our allegiance to ourselves, pledge allegiance to our neighbors, our friends, our family, our fellow earthly inhabitants. What this allegiance does is breed a mentality of subjugation and lack of responsibility.
Two social psychology experiments illustrate this perfectly: The Stanford prison project and the Milgram obedience studies. Milgram showed that people are likely to do very evil things, that are against their moral conscience, when nudged on by an authority figure. The Stanford prison project showed that when people take on roles of guard and prisoner, even in a make-belive scenario, they lose themselves in the role. They become doers of evil or they become slaves of evil. They lost personal responsibility.
We need to do away with the state, not corporations. Corporations however need to be conscious of their place in the world. John Mackey of Whole Foods describes Conscious Capitalism in an elegant manner.
We should not be demonizing voluntary actions, like commerce or amassing wealth through peaceful means. We need to stop expecting government to solve all the worlds problems, take power away from the government, and start solving problems on an individual basis.
@trek79, hmmm… didn’t we send our criminals to Australia instead of the death penalty? Hmmmm…. things are starting to make sense now….
I always find Australians extremely close to our humour than Americans are. Plus, we get bombarded with Australian soaps constantly. I call it payback for the criminals we sent over. Not a fair trade in my book.
On another note. This thread has been a great read. One of my faves.
@blankey, I think the problem of thinking in progress is that it implies that you can know beforehand what to do. The fundamental problem is that we our world we live in is a world with our current paradigm. Therefore, all our thinking is just another expression of this same paradigm. Therefore it is impossible to know beforehand what to do. Therefore everything you can come up with, will only re-establish the same rules of the game, while the new theme confuses us because we think they are new rules. The old paradigm has no words for the new. @aboutthattom, has a great post. But you can see he is struggling with old words to convey his feeling about the new. The new is coming, but we don’t make it happen. It makes us happen. Therefore, extra self-awareness won’t work. Extra education won’t work. These will just be more of the same, while what actually need is a complete halt of the same, and the beginning of a new.
Now, we are not completely powerless in this. As Brand shows, you can create new rules, but ONLY when that chance is given to you. But it is imperative you take this chance, because if you don’t, everything you have done until that point has been for nothing, everything for you will continue to be the same. You don’t make history.
@trek79, it was Murdoch who got this whole thing started. I don’t think most of this would’ve got the momentum without his causing the hacking scandal.
I blame Bouncer the most. Flaming Bouncer!
We now have a remake of Prisoner Cell Block Her to live through again. I did love the theme song though….
@martijn, Not really sure how I feel about that. Sure we can’t predict the future and if we do it never turns out the way we want it, but to say we don’t make history doesn’t seem to make too much sense to me. By doing something in this moment right now I could make history, depending on how drastic. And actually, technically, everything is history, even the moment for it is constantly dying and being reborn.
A trend of 100% sustainable off the grid living could be history. And in my book, will be history. People are tired and feel incomplete in today’s day to day world. They search and search and search and find nothing, when in reality there is nothing to find, and they lose hope. If instead they looked inwards, the rest would fall into place.
@martijn, @blankey, I’m really enjoying this thread. I agree that whatever change that takes place is going to be a responsibility of the individual. Many people however keep running into the social paradigm that it is not possible or “human nature” to help or give to others without a profit. The whole idea is seen as too ideal.
My question is for you and anybody else, have you read anything by Mark Boyle and what do you think of this? He gives an interesting idea that is backed up by some smaller examples through working communes and even internet websites. Basically the only incentive needed is to change perspective from me me me is to see me as incorporating your community: which he emphasizes that it can only be a small amount of people, give or take 150. In turn, helping your community is helping yourself, but on a smaller scale then our global economy. He calls it the gift economy, but I think it would only work in a non-monetary system.
What do you think about the monetary economic system, can we live without it?
Also how could you deflect from these small groups turning against each other?
I just want to toss this into the mix and see what comes out.
Poker legit needs to be considered into future economies, when jobs start going and people have free time and too much wealth, a beatable game to produce more wealth; it’s explosion is just going to be ridiculous, like chunks of the population going at it, near impossible to properly tax under the current system.
@blankey, the beauty of what you are describing is we don’t have to give up our luxuries forever. we simply need to learn not to give value to money. how can the economy collapse if there is no economy to have collapsing?
i have some friends that are going to help me with this very thing. i’m learning to tan leather so that i can make clothes out of them, and how to extract lye to make soap, and so on and so forth. the beauty of life is that everything we need, we can have at the cost of some labor. which is good, if we were all doing those things, then we would mostly all be a fit people, able bodied and sharp of mind.
i’m glad i was introduced to this site. its incredibly encouraging to realize that there’s more than just me and a few others that see and know these things. i spread the message where i can, so carry on :D
@araeya09, i have had that same idea actually. it was interesting how it came about. i was listening to a couple buddies of mine discuss what the economy of Heaven would look like (we are religious, if you aren’t or anyone else, no biggie) and it got me thinking. the trouble is, we live in an economy of give and take, and you have 500 people taking from one guy in order to build a home for the one guy, and he’s left destitute and in debt, poorer than a bum on the street in all reality. i imagine the economy of heaven, or rather just the ideal economy being one that doesn’t have money, where its a give and receive. 500 people get together and give a guy a house. in turn, he gives his skills and time to however many hundreds or thousands of people, and everyone ends up wealthy.
the reason people think its “too ideal” is because in order for this to work, people would have to overcome selfishness, and learn how to give to people that most likely can’t do anything for them in return. its a system that depends on people’s ability to love each other. the trouble with that is social media, sometimes experience, and just general observation teaches us not to trust each other, let alone love each other. thats why the economy is going to collapse and basically WW3 will happen before people change the way they think. sad, but i don’t see it happening otherwise.
@bigmac22, Yeah I know it sounds crazy, but I think that’s just our social structure putting a fog over the truth. I would suggest reading Boyle’s Moneyless Manifesto if you haven’t, It is free online and I don’t know economics as well as he does to explain thoroughly, but it seems like he has though of just about everything and it brings a very hopeful, positive, and manageable view to bringing about a true gift economy.
“its a system that depends on people’s ability to love each other. the trouble with that is social media, sometimes experience, and just general observation teaches us not to trust each other, let alone love each other. thats why the economy is going to collapse and basically WW3 will happen before people change the way they think. sad, but i don’t see it happening otherwise.”
I agree with these flaws but I disagree that it is hopeless for change on a large scale. How you effect your community effects you, maybe not directly but I think equally if you look on the larger time line. Then, in a result, the belief you have in yourself to change, is the hope we have for us all and visa versa. “Be the change”
@araeya09, oh the change isn’t hopeless, i agree. but the reality is, the most you will ever get is a few small communities to live that way. mine i hope is one of them. we are working on it anyway. i was talking about a worldwide universal change of mind.
the reason i believe that it will take some terrible things happening is because the vast majority of people today haven’t been taught how to love each other. most people have been indoctrinated with selfishness from when they were born. thats tough to break. takes some serious crises in a person’s life for them to rethink life that hard.
however, i absolutely agree with being the change you wish to see, hence why i am currently researching and trying to learn how to at least get myself the bare necessities for living. and some luxuries too. like vehicles running on water. that would be nice.
@bigmac22, Definitely then Boyle’s book would be a good read for you. He has almost everything in there from how to make a sewage system and composts to become your garden to making your own ink.
Anyway, I do agree that some really terrible things are going to happen too, which dives into a whole other conversation about chaos theory. Either way, we are all here and it’s important to work together to bring about the change that benefits the whole. Good luck with your community. Is it in the U.S? I’ve been thinking about eventually relocating to Uruguay to potentially start/join a community there. I’m starting to think the U.S is going to be a lot more trouble then it’s worth for the next few centuries.