Seeking Honesty… and maybe Truth

 Anonymous (@) 7 years, 10 months ago

I have questions I would vey much like to have answered by some fellow humans. Or at least some opinions on the matter. After reading many spiritual books over some time, from the likes of Tolle and the Dalai Lama its clear the trend of focus is denouncing the “self”. Investigating the Ego, to reach an enlightenment. (please don’t think I am attacking any authors, both names mentioned offer great services, opinions and teachings to all of us)
I don’t mean to offend anyone by this post and I really am seeking some feedback and urging people to be honest to them selves, (no pun intended).

It seems to me there is a huge spiritual business and circuit in operation with hundreds if not thousands of self proclaimed self realized gurus or teachers, and within the circuits endless seekers who say the same words over and over, “we are all one” “our reality is an illusion” “the Ego is the false self” “love is the only thing that is real”. I haven’t met one person who sounds like they really at the deepest possible level understand what they are saying. They seem to understand the idea but they do not ‘get it’, don’t experience it. (please don’t misunderstand my argument, its not towards the reality of enlightenment, this can not be argued against, my questioning is towards those who say the words without truly seeing what they say)

My questions are for teachers and pupils alike, when you says these words, does it come from experience or a book?, do you really ‘get it’ or is it wording that sounds right, it fits with what other people say about enlightenment or awakened living.?

And what of our own experiences, can anyone really teach someone how to experience anything?.
[My experience] Its clear to me there is something happening and I am experiencing something, there is me and there is what I experience, this is real, I am really here. So what do I reject? I am awake, all my senses are working and I experience the world from a particular place, a place I can not describe. But I am here, I know that much. So again what do I reject? What can I teach of this?

There seems to be a heavy body of writing, videos, scriptures and a very large and growing community in existence to explain the Truth. If the the Truth is simple, if it is our own direct experience then why do we need this vast explanation?

Does anyone have any thoughts on these subjects, has anyone been saying similar words or sentences in hope that one day they will open a door to a different reality? Is anyone afraid that there experience is underwhelming and what they really seek isn’t truth or enlightenment but a happier or more exciting life?

many Questions, Im sorry :P

December 4, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Anonymous (0) (@) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

@pappa86, My word of advice is do what these teachers or gurus say for a few months. The only experience that matters is your own so who cares if people are all regurgitating what they read. In the end, your experience is the only one you can count on. Go meditate, try yoga, take psychedelics (read up on em) and whatever else helps you go within. Good luck!

backcase (204) (@backcase) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

there’s no shortcuts to enlightenment. Don’t go be what others say, because they can say anything and make it sound appealing.

Seek first the self. Spend sometime in solitude and build a relationship with your soul.

Q (94) (@Qualohuasca) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

@pappa86, I used to search and strive for enlightenment until I realized what it actually meant… :) now I’d much rather live, and happily at that.
Also, I’ve learned that to battle against your own ego is a fool’s errand (because you are the ego, as far as “you” and “I” refers to).
Psychedelics do kind of kick you in the right direction, but the road is filled with existential anguish… as it should be, of course. Giving up your own existence shouldn’t be all that easy, since it’s the opposite of what we’ve evolved to do (or so logic would state).

I think what most people want when they’re talking about enlightenment is clarity, happiness and kindness. They’re just mistaking this for the ancient practice of dying within your body, and not coming back. Alas, when something becomes fashionable…

Anonymous (13) (@) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

In my opinion to limit yourself to only these kind of perspectives (one particular kind of books and teachings) is honestly stupid.

Here’s what I’ve been reading lately, related to your title.

‘The only truth is music.’

‘Happiness consists in realizing it is all a great strange dream.’

‘The best teacher is experience and not through someone’s distorted point of view.’

‘Don’t use the phone. People are never ready to answer it. Use poetry.’

‘One man practicing kindness in the wilderness is worth all the temples this world pulls.’

‘Ah, life is a gate, a way, a path to Paradise anyway, why not live for fun and joy and love or some sort of girl by a fireside, why not go to your desire and LAUGH…’

‘The closer you get to real matter, rock air fire and wood, boy, the more spiritual the world is.’

‘Offer them what they secretly want and they of course immediately become panic-stricken.’

-Jack Kerouac

Some authors don’t explain things vastly.

i4c1m2b (70) (@i4CiM2B) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

@pappa86, Let me try to answer the questions you’ve asked. I’ve been exploring (seeking) these topics for quite a few years now. I first studied the different concepts from religion, philosophy, and psychology. One of the things about exploring prior to the Internet was that we had the time between readings to absorb and develop a system to filter the information for what sounded like truth and what was questionable. I experienced a few events that might be considered to be paranormal, they were harmless and personal to me at that specific moment, but they would be the reason to begin exploring life after death concepts and the large number of near death experience (NDE”s) testimonies.

Then I went full on into metaphysic, which studies the nature of reality. “Investigating the ego,” is not really necessary unless you get the feeling that you’re not in control of your life anymore and it seems as though you’re being driven through each day. “Denouncing the self” is a pretty unrealistic concept to western thought, so unless your ready to become a practicing Buddhist or devotee to a denounce the self tribe, you might want to pass on that one. Just keeping a leash on your ego an its; desire to control your life. No worries there.

Compared to some of the other posts you can still read in this forum, your post doesn’t even hint at being offensive. Besides, from what I’ve seen, most people on this site seem to be pretty laid back and don’t’ get offended to easily. At worst they might tell you you’re an idiot and blast you with some intellectual gibberish that will actually make you feel like an idiot.

There is no huge spiritual business or circuit in operation, not in the real world anyway. There are a number of people who have websites that contain articles and personal blogs. Some of them may sell new age odds and ends. There’s defiantly no major network that has connections with one another. One of the reasons you won’t find this happening is that the awakening that is occurring now is always an individual and personal event unlike previous awakenings, which were immediately followed by the building of churches and other types of institutions. As for the Gurus, there were never that many in the first place and they had mostly disappeared by the mid 80’s, although some might consider Google as their Guru. There are teachers, both physical and Non Physical. Many of these are psychics, energy healers, past life hypnotherapist and an assortment of others who do various types of readings. Then there are the channels, and like I said, there are a few of them that have had a significant impact and are worth checking out.

Just about any awakened individual will be ready to share what they have learned, but will soon discover that the ones they try to teach are in many cases just not ready to learn and trying to force the issues can turn them against the whole idea even after they’re ready When a person is ready, It is their choice whether to ask questions (as you did) our to proceed in their own way at their own pace. Unfortunately, much of the knowledge one may want to convey, might be interesting to one or another but has very little to do with soul evolution. I try to stick to the specific questions a person asks, without veering off into randomly hopping through the big book of whatever. “The concept that we are all one” is said by many and understood by few, and that only a partial understanding right now. You might be surprised to learn that the people who can understand this concept best are all Quantum Physicists. They are also the ones who can best explain the concept that “all reality is an illusion”. Even though the idea has been around for thousands of years.

You can find bits and pieces of information from both physical and non-physical sources. An understanding, belief or knowledge comes in a couple ways. One is result of the “thread of similarity” that runs through most religious works, that also have ties to Metaphysical works primarily channeled material. There is a similar thread that runs through the massive database of all subjects that relate to non-physical realities. There are probably less than 20 Non physicals that I’ve skimmed over. I’ve only found three, which impressed me. They are all widely known and considered legitimate. When someone claims to know some truth is usually because they had a revelatory experience as this is you most reliable source of learning in that it come from deep within us where our inner self is supposed to have all the truths of our existence. These revelations can be initiated while reading some outside source that is confirmed from within. That has been my experience. The current metaphor I using to describe this experience is that its like a bubble of conscious energy rises from somewhere deep inside you and gets into your waking conscious and pops, releasing a package of information. It’s hard to describe. You’ll know it when it happens.

You questioned what to accept and reject. The subject is filters and creating one in your head to sift through all the data coming in. Ultimately you have to decide what you accept. The good news is you don’t have to accept or reject any thing at the time you bring it in. Keep it stored long enough to see if the thread I wrote about appears in other unrelated material. If you’re working mainly online, download a highlighter app to highlight the key points and bookmark relative sites. There are two filters I would advise to start with. One is to let go of anything that is fear based. Does the material try to play on your fears, especially the ones that seem to be “fishing “ for the many fears people have. My advice is to reject these outright; Evolved personalities never speak of anything that suggests we should be afraid. In fact they do just the opposite. The second one is to anything that attempts to make you feel guilty about something or other. In fact do yourself a favor and refuse to accept guilt trips from any source especially those closest to you (usually friends and family) Just tell them “ I’m not accepting guilt trips from anyone anymore” or something along those lines. If your prone to using guilt as a means of control, try to stop, and if your harboring any guilt over anything, find a way to forgive yourself and let it go. Guilt is the worst poison to spirit.

What should you teach? You will find that everything you may learn is most often subject to revision or clarification. You’ll find yourself getting frustrated because most people aren’t ready to hear what you have to say, When they are ready they will bring the subject up and even then limit yourself to their specific inquiry. Let them set the pace. That’s what works best in my experience. There’s no set in stone rules. Try experimenting to learn what works for you. A common understanding is that we are each being assisted by nonphysical guides. They are often deceased relatives, parents, grandparent or close friends who now have quite a different perspective about realty than they did before leaving the physical realm. So if you find yourself thinking a lot about one of these people, they are probably trying to assist you. Even if there’s no immediate family threes going to be someone.

The important things to learn which can be taught right now and practiced together are (You may be practicing these already) forgiving of yourselves and others, moving away from judgment. When you catch yourself passing judgment on anyone practice not doing it at all. The third thing is learning to feel a sense of “true” gratitude and appreciation for all that is you, the people closest to you, all other people, the creatures and everything in creation. Pay attention to your thought, a things you speak. Listen for the underlying beliefs that reveal themselves in your conversations with others. Each time you find yourself expressing a belief (either yours or people close to you, record them in a special place. A belief is a thought that repeats so often, it become habit. Eventually you will discover the significance of this exercise and how you can benefit from it. These few things are the cores of your evolution. There is a greater significance for mastering these things that goes beyond they’re outward expression.

The links below should in some way relate to the content above. If you would like to PM me with an email address I can send you a copy of significant bookmarks that can help you to fast forward a bit. Or if you need any clarification.

Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

@pappa86, In short, yes, people like these Gurus because they are feel-good, little more. I say Things like balance are important; we have to be aware of when we should be aware and where it is not a consequence for not being aware.

If we can see there is consequence, we discipline ourselves, realise when our impulses of fear and/or desire are influencing our assessment, simply by recognising when we are being driven by them is easy to know, finding ways to supress them is the hard part. If we see there is no significant consequences, or we can recognise the lines where consequence are drawn, then we can indulge the information or situation any way we like.

More balance comes in with knowing when to work and when to play, both are vital for your efficiency and sanity.

Psychological balance come with keeping your intent in perspective; bad consequences from bad intent can destroy you psychologically, unless you are a sociopath, but bad consequences from what you feel is justified intent is not as good as a good result but it will not psychologically harm you, or shouldn’t. Many things may be outside of your power, intellectually or physically, so don’t be disappointed by failure, instead use experience to learn, and perhaps some of those failures may become within your power to change.

So I think life is very much about striking balance as best you can, a balance between the stuff that makes life worthwhile and the work you need to do in order to be able to indulge that stuff, and a balance with making sure you are not achieving those things at an indecent cost to the world around you, doing that could manifest in ways that screw your life up.

So, I’m not all “feel-good” about it, but I’m being honest, you work and play while keeping it in perspective.

LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Know thyself. It’s all there is.
Then you will say the same things the teachers do from that knowing.
None will get it though.

Luminos (7) (@Alphakristjan) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

@pappa86, This has some great answers to what you are talking about :)

lifegamer (28) (@lifegamer) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Well, Sweetness…All silly stuff aside, like categories, names, paradigms, & dogmas…I have observed that, for the most part, Life can be divided into 2-Set stuff:
Amazing or Dumbass; Functional or Non-functional; Those with brains, & Those with brains that use them; Wise, not so wise.

I take my ‘feeling’ of Good Life…Happy, energized, content, creatively active…Choose of those fuels to pump the feel, so to speak..and Rock with the choice.

Personally, I like being ‘Bright’, ergo, I walk in a lot of dark places.:)

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