Hey HEthens, I’m a frequent listener to the Joe Rogan podcast and just listened to #331, with Dr. Steven Greer. And it blew my mind….He’s the man behind the Sirius Disclosure Project and a firm believer in extra terrestrial contact and interactions that have been going on for years that have lead to our technology breakthroughs in the past 60 years. He also believes we have all the technology necessary now to start a new society powered by alien technology leading to a possible utopia and life outside of just Earth. The only thing he states that is holding us back is the people in power who profit off of an old system.
Anyway the rang of topics and ideas they discussed had me fascinated, he also talked about consciousness, energy, technology, and even has techniques of how anyone can contact ET life. He even claims he has proof of alien life form! I’d advise anyone interested in these matters to check it out here http://joerogan.net/podcasts/ its episode #331.
or check out his website at http://siriusdisclosure.com/
So I’d really like to know peoples thoughts on this and discuss a possibility of the implications of these topics on our future! Or lets hear it if you think the guys just an attention seeking loon, either way,
So I just watched a video
Of supposedly a National Press Conference held in Washington DC on May 1st 2001.
Steven Macon Greer (June 28, 1955) is an American medical doctor and ufologist who founded the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence (CSETI) and The Disclosure Project.
I find it difficult to believe that all these people who give their testimony are actors or were mistaken with their beliefs regarding UFO’s.
So, if there is any truth to this, then it has far reaching implications for the human race.
I’m still grasping the significance of this video, and will try and determine if there is any truth to it over the next few weeks.
Apparently they are about to release a new documentary on it all on April 22nd.
To anyone who doubts the possibility of extra terrestrial intelligence, try to think how big the universe is.
@darthmittens, I’m not a firm believer that beings from another solar system have visited earth within human history.
Although I don’t hold it as an impossibility, but there is still the “problem” of the speed of light. As far as we know, there is no way to travel faster – this could change, of course – but until then, I find it incredibly hard to accept this. Call me a fool if you’d like.
Secondly, I don’t think that if alien life were actually here on Earth, we would be discussing if it actually was. We would know. It would be obvious, it would be known. Maybe a Government somehow completely masked it, but again, I find this very hard to believe.
Lastly, all the evidence I’ve ever seen on UFO’s is highly skeptical. All the sightings take place near major air bases and airports. I find this incredibly telling – that we have engineers of great intelligence, not aliens.
They made the black bird and the stealth bomber completely undercover and then released it publicly. They didn’t release the stealth helicopter that supposedly took out Osama. Hundreds of billions of dollars gets lost in the pentagon each year to support these things. It is not a far cry, for me, that these “technologies” are just some seriously intelligent people.
When someone wins the world science fair, who do you think the first person is to offer them a job and a scholarship? The US government.
@ijesuschrist, “All the sightings take place near major air bases and airports.” I’m sorry to say but that just isnt true. it doesnt take much of a google search to learn that. UFO’s have been sighted over many major cities all over he world. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTQVtyh4XkI this is just one of many sightings not near a military base or airport. and as for the speed of light, there was once a point in human history when it was impossible to imagine anything faster then the speed of horse. perspectives change over time, and are relative to the cultural epoch. this is not a challenge to convert either, just a gentle prod to look a little further.
Awesome, thanks for posting the link. I will definitely check out the movie that’s coming out on the 22nd. Until then another great movie to watch is Thrive: What on Earth will it take. It talks about a lot of the same things like the suppression of Extraterrestrial Spacecraft goes hand in hand with the suppression of free clean energy. Another thing about Thrive is that it points out all the facts and problems in a brilliant way then the last 30 minutes are all about the solutions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEV5AFFcZ-s
As far as technological breakthroughs thanks to ET goes I would have to say its completely plausible and I wouldn’t put it past the government to do something like that. Plus if the people in power started to admit that there is alien life and they have visited us there would be some insane changes, our entire society would collapse. We would probably have a few years of turmoil but after we get used to the idea of our insignificance we would rebuild a way better civilization.
Who knows? Steven Greer guy seems like he knows his shit.
Saw this from the Sirius Disclosure website. Aliens apparently know how to party, haha
@deean, The point was nobody could have imagined aircraft and missiles in the 1500’s, right?
I agree I can’t imagine, obviously, how a space craft could get here.
But in the 1500’s they didn’t have some serious evidence saying that it was impossible. Its one thing to think somethings impossible because you’ve never seen anything like it. Its another when you have to deal with some serious laws of physics.
@ijesuschrist, sorry that wasnt my point. my point was about perspective. as you say you dont hold traveling beyond the speed of light as an impossibility. it could change with new understanding. i find it interesting that you seem fairly firm on the non-existence of other beings in our infinite universe, but are open to a new understanding of the ‘laws of physics’ which is what you were saying in your original post. all of that aside, your opinions are yours and to each his own. have a great day or night, wherever you are.
Just curious did you watch the press conference video or the interview with Joe Rogan? If not, there is pretty convincing answers to the doubts you raise.
For example, they claim that the aliens arrived here using very advanced technology (no surprise) based around anti gravity propulsion.
They claim the government and big corporations are not releasing information on this because it has enormous implications for the human race and certain vested interests (no surprise).
They have testimonies from hundreds if not thousands of credible sources claiming existence of ET’s.. Some of these testimonies are from people very high up the ladder who have access and knowledge on top secret projects.
They believe ET’s have visited Earth for at least 50 years and we likely got their attention when we started using thermo nuclear weapons and they are particularly concerned with our military industrial complex and the weaponisation of space.
They claim that there is no reason to believe the ET’s mean us any harm, but rather want to help us, in particular to raise our living standards drastically.
They claim to have actually found an organic alien life and plan on showing it in more detail with the documentary coming out on the 22nd of this month.
Apparently they can be contacted through thought. According to Greer, the final frontier is not space, but consciousness.
Now, I’m not saying that any of the above is true, I have yet to come to that conclusion, however I’m delving deeper into the rabbit hole to find out more.
@nakedape, No I didn’t watch it, and mostly because I’m assuming nothing new will be said, and, from what you said that assumption is correct.
I grew up fascinated with area 51. It was actually my dream to one day work there, thats why I went into the sciences actually – it was solely to wear a white lab coat and find out the amazing things going on there. So, much of my youth was spent watching television and documentaries on aliens and top secret stuff. When the internet first came out thats all I used it for – looking into what was known about area 51 and aliens.
There are plenty of ex-communicated and retired people that claim to have worked in area 51 and have compelling evidence that they’ve done so. At one point, a guy was holding a piece of “Alien” spaceship with writing on it. He said it was light as styrofoam, hard as steel.
But, then… I learned the background, the properties of light, the laws of physics, and came to the conclusions I hold now. That its incredible improbable that alien life has been here… You can look at all the evidence of it being here as you like, but the question of how they got here still remains. And “Antigravity” – I’m not sure this would get around the cosmic speed limit, still.
If you consider the fact that technology has exponentially increased in the last 50 years and that we will likely reach the singularity as Ray Kurzweil predicts around 2045, then it should not be too hard to fathom the idea that a civilisation only a couple hundred years older than we are would have access to mind boggling technologies completely capable of exceeding the speed of light. Imagine if the civilisation were around 1000 years longer, or a million, or a billion. These figures are not extravagant when you consider the vastness of space. There are more galaxies in the universe than there are grains of sand on Earth.
@nakedape, Just to get it out of the way here are the main points that would need to also be addressed when talking about speeds faster than ‘c’.
1. The doppler shift can be applied to electromagnetic waves, or photons, as well as sound. When you apply them to photons, things that approach you are blue shifted, and things moving away are red shifted. This shift is proportional to the speed of approach / retreat. So, upon getting anywhere near the speed of light, all photons coming at you, will be so blue-shifted, they will be of gamma-radiation or beyond. This means, basically, that a ship travelling near the speed of light will observe all that “starlight” out there as gamma radiation, basically destroying any chemical bonds (and destroying the ship).
2. When you approach the speed of light, time speeds up relative to you, hence the Twin Paradox. Once you reach the speed of light, time outside of your acceleration speeds up infinitely, which basically means once you reach the speed of light, the universe has run its course, and everything ceases to exist, as you are at THE END OF TIME.
3. Of course energy is an issue…
4. The acceleration and de-acceleration would totally fuck you.
PERHAPS wormholes are some kind of pseudo-solution, but again, there is a lot of explanation that would need to be done.
There is no problem with information moving faster than the speed of light, which we can see with quantum entanglement – but matter and energy are another question.
I don’t claim to know enough about physics to debate you on the mechanics of faster than light travel, you clearly know much more than me on the topic. however I still maintain that an extra terrestrial species could easily be capable of faster than light travel.
I imagine it would be the same as Nicola Tesla trying to explain to people of his time how he created electricity.
@darthmittens, I don’t rule out the possibility of extra terrestrials having made contact on earth. I would however say it is highly improbable. I mean a world that is close enough to make contact must be at least 20 light years away, I say this because scientists recently found a planet 20 light years away they believe to be possible of sustaining life. With our space travel capabilities it would take roughly 300000 years to get there, and there may not even be “intelligent” life there.
Also if aliens did discover earth most likely they would not be peaceful. If life has developed to that scale on another planet they have probably been a very competitive species, just like humans, and have harnessed their bounty and exploited other species and their planets resources.
I really dislike all of this UFOology (if it is even a real thing). It is part of the whole conspiracy theory culture of our generation, a culture which I personally find moronic. Just because there have been cover ups in the past it doesn’t mean that everything involves a cover up or a conspiracy. It seems these days that anybody can come up with any old madness and connect some marginal information to it and slap the word conspiracy or cover up on it and everybody will believe it or look at it as somewhat credible.
Seriously lets get some perspective here. They couldn’t keep Watergate a secret and that seemed like it would be pretty easy. How do you think extra terrestrial visitation would be kept a secret?
Neil deGrasse Tyson said it best in the video ‘A fascinatingly disturbing thought.’ Basically look at all of the life on Earth, with which you share DNA, we share 98+% DNA with chimps, and we don’t converse with them. Or if we do it’s very, very basic. So I have no reason to think that we would be able to have a conversation with some alien life form.
But not only that, looking at Earth for a model of intelligent life. Our migrations occurred for several reasons, expansion due to greed, to escape some sort of persecution or difference, or for resources. So I look at it like the Europeans coming to America, what happened to the indigenous people when they got there? They didn’t fare well. What would be the alien equivalent of blankets with small pox?
Inside The Space Ships
by George Adamski (1955)
excerpt from the book:
I had to remind myself that, after all, they too were human beings and, no matter how far advanced beyond us, must still be subject to error and vicissitude… Here again a wondering thought slipped in as I mentally questioned what they had found on the “other planets” they had visited.
The Venusian’s eyes sparkled and a tiny smile flitted across his mouth as he caught my thought. He continued without interruption. “With the sole exception of inhabitants on Earth, we have found the peoples of other worlds to be very friendly. They… have gigantic space cruisers for the pleasure and education of their fellowmen. As we visit their planets and are welcomed, they also visit ours as friends. It is to the Earth alone that these passenger cruisers never approach. Nor will they be permitted to do so until your people have a greater understanding of fellowship as well as of the Universe beyond the limiting confines of your own little planet.
During flights of this kind, those on the cruise have much leisure time, as well as definite hours devoted to learning. When they land on other planets mutually interesting social gatherings are held. In short,” and he made this very clear, “peoples of other worlds are not strangers to one another, but all are friends and are welcomed wherever they go. We consider planets throughout the Universe as being in one vast sea of life. The far distant planets by the billions which we have not yet visited will be explored when we have further improved our space ships. There are some planets so far out from any in our system that it would take us two or three years to reach them. Whereas, within our system, the distance between planets can be covered within a few hours to a few days.”
Reviewing our concept of distance, I exclaimed, “That is staggering to me! How fast do you travel that you can cover such vast distances in so short a time?”
Speed to us,” was the reply, “does not mean what it does to you. For once a ship is launched into outer space, the speed of the ship is equal to the activity in space! Instead of being artificially propelled, as are your planes, ours travel on the currents of space.” I derived some small hope for our eventual progress on Earth when they freely admitted that, in the earliest attempts to conquer space, the inhabitants of Venus and those of other worlds had been faced with exactly the same problems as those that are holding us back today. Once again they stressed that gravity must be overcome as a first principle on the way to space travel…
…you have been brought here and shown what lies within our smaller craft and this large carrier. You have traveled in each for a short distance only, but far enough to give you much knowledge to pass on to your fellow men on planet Earth. You have seen what outer space is like and that it is indeed constantly active, filled with moving particles from out of which all forms are finally brought into being. There is neither a beginning nor an ending.
In the vastness of space there are innumerable bodies which you on Earth call planets. These vary in size, as do all forms, but they are very much like your own world and ours, and most of them are peopled and governed by forms like yourselves and like us. While some are just reaching a point where they are capable of supporting such forms as ours, others have not yet reached that stage of development in their growth.
For you must understand that worlds are but forms, and they too go through the long period of growth which all forms experience, from the smallest to the largest. Each planet moves in co-ordination with a number of other planets around a central Sun, in perfect timing, forming a unit or what you would call a system. In each case, so far as we have learned from our travels, there are twelve planets in a system. Beyond that, twelve such systems are united around a central core comparable to our Sun. These make up what some of your scientists call an ‘island universe’ We have reason to believe that twelve such island universes comprise a vast unit in the Father’s house of many mansions . . . and so on, without end.
On our planet, and on other planets within our system, the form which you call ‘man’ has grown and advanced intellectually and socially through various stages of development to a point which is inconceivable to the people of your Earth. This development has been accomplished only by adhering to what you would term the laws of Nature. In our worlds it is known as growth through following the laws of the All Supreme Intelligence which governs all time and space. As you have seen, we travel space as easily as you cross a room. The traversing of space is not difficult to those who have mastered the laws within which all bodies live and move—planets and men alike. It is then understood that distance between two such bodies in space, or that between worlds, is no distance at all as you conceive of distance in your world.
Remember, at one time the distance between the ‘~ bodies of land on your Earth, which you call continents, was considered great, and much time was required to travel from one to another. Now your aircraft have shortened this distance to a relative fraction of the time required in days past. Yet the distances are the same. And so it will be as you extend your knowledge and learn the laws operating in infinite space.
Another aspect of which as yet you have no conception is that the body of any human being can be as comfortable on one planet as on another. While there are some differences in atmospheric conditions, depending upon the size and age of the planet, these are little greater than those which you experience on your Earth 1 between sea level and on a mountain several thousand feet high. Certain people are affected by such changes, more than others, but all can become acclimated in time. Recalling the popular conception of ponderous headgear plus tubes and gadgets, as depicted all the way from the “comics” to serious theories of supposed experts, I wondered if our world was the lowest in development throughout the Universe.
Reading my thought and continuing without interruption, this great teacher said, “No, my son, your world is not the lowest in development in the Universe. Yours is the least developed of those in our own system, but out beyond there are some worlds whose peoples have not yet grown to your standard, either socially or scientifically. Also, there are worlds where development has gone far in the field of science and remained low in the field of personal and social understanding, even though space has been conquered. In our system, the peoples of all planets except your Earth are traveling space freely; some for short distances only, while others achieve great distances that take them to systems beyond our own.
Your understanding of life and the Universe is very limited. As a result, you have many false concepts about other worlds and the composition of the Universe; and so little knowledge of yourselves! But it also is true that there is a growing desire on the part of many on Earth who seek sincerely for greater understanding. We who have traveled the path you now are treading are willing to help and to give of our knowledge to all who will accept it.
The first fact your people must realize is that the inhabitants of other worlds are not fundamentally different from Earth men. The purpose of life on other worlds is basically the same as yours. Inherent in all mankind, however deeply buried it may be, is the yearning to rise to something higher. Your school system on Earth is, in a sense, patterned after the universal progress of life. For in your schools you progress from grade to grade and from school to school, toward a higher and fuller education. In the same way, man progresses from planet to planet, and from system to system toward an ever higher understanding and evolvement in universal growth and service.”
You know that there are certain groups in your world who have already made claim for property rights and possession of your Moon for the purpose of using it as a military base. Many Earth scientists are hoping that, in the not too distant future, they will succeed in building space ships like ours for interplanetary travel. It is entirely possible that this will be done. But Earth men will not be allowed to come in numbers or to remain, until they have learned to embrace the all-inclusive life as lived by people of other worlds, rather than the selfish personal life as found on Earth today. And there will be much for you to learn about outer space, for it is on space itself that you will move.
My son, our main purpose in coming to you at this time is to warn you of the grave danger which threatens men of Earth today. Knowing more than any amongst you can yet realize, we feel it our duty to enlighten you if we can. Your people may accept the knowledge we hope to give them through you and through others, or they can turn deaf ears and destroy themselves. The choice is with the Earth’s inhabitants. We cannot dictate.
In your first meeting with our Brother here, he indicated to you that the exploding of bombs on Earth was of interest to us. This is why. Even though the power and radiation from the test explosions have not yet gone out beyond your Earth’s sphere of influence, these radiations are endangering the life of men on Earth. A decomposition will set in that, in time, will fill your atmosphere with the deadly elements which your scientists and your military men have confined into what you term ‘bombs’.
The radiations released from those bombs are now going out only so far, since they are lighter than your own atmosphere and heavier than space itself. If, however, mankind on Earth should release such power against one another in full warfare, a large part of Earth’s population could be annihilated, your soil rendered sterile, your waters poisoned and barren to life for many years to come. It is possible that the body of your planet itself could be mutilated to an extent that would destroy her balance in our galaxy.
These would be the effects directly concerning your world. For us, traveling through space could be made difficult and dangerous for a long time to come, since the energies released in such multiple explosions would then penetrate through your atmosphere into outer space.
I wondered whether, and to what extent, if war should actually come to us, they would feel justified in stopping us.
The master answered my mental question by saying, “As you know, with our knowledge of the use and control over energies far more powerful than any our brothers on Earth have as yet learned to use, we could, if we wished, nullify your force with our greater force. But remember what you have been told. We do not kill our fellow man, even in sell- defence. We are trying, and shall continue to try, to prevent such a war by bringing to Earth men the knowledge of what they would be doing. For no man wages war except in ignorance.”
A light came into his face and his eyes seemed to be looking at some inward vision of beauty as he continued softly, “And no man lives who has never once dreamed of what you call Utopia, or the nearly perfect world. There is nothing which man has ever imagined which is not, somewhere, a reality. And, therefore, nothing that is not possible of achievement. For you too, on Earth, this is possible. For us on the other planets of our galaxy, it is so now. There are those on your Earth who have exclaimed, ‘But how monotonous perfection must be!’ It is not so, my son, for there are degrees of perfection just as there are degrees of all things. In our worlds, we are happy, but we do not stagnate. Just as when one reaches the top of a hill seen from below, a further hill comes into view, so it is always with progress. The valley that lies between must be crossed before the next height can be scaled.
Understanding of the universal laws both uplifts and restricts. As it is now with us, so it could be on your Earth. Lifted up by your knowledge, this same understanding would make it impossible for you to move in violence against your brothers. You would know that the same conviction, inherent in every individual being, which makes him feel that be has the divine privilege of directing his own life and shaping his own destiny, even though it be by the path of trial and error, applies equally to any group, nation or race of mankind.
Just as there are many downward paths, leading away from progress, so there are many that lead upward. Though one man may choose one and a second man another, this need not divide them as brothers. Indeed, one may learn much from the other, if he will. For in the vastness of the infinite creation, there is no one way that is the only way.
On your Earth we have heard many times the phrase ‘the road to happiness’ It is a good phrase, for progress is happiness and lies all along the upward pathway from its beginning. And happiness makes men brothers in tolerance toward another man’s efforts, even though of a different nature from their own.
There is nothing wrong with your Earth, nor with its people, except that in their lack of understanding they are young children in the universal life of the One Supreme Being. You have been told that in our worlds we live the Creator’s laws, while as yet on Earth you only talk of them. If you would live by the precepts of even what you now know, the peoples of Earth would not go out to slaughter one another. They would work within themselves, their own groups, their own nations, to achieve good and happiness in that section of your world wherein they were born and therefore call ‘home’.
I think the peoples of Earth would be amazed to find how swiftly a change could come throughout the planet. Now that you have the medium for world-wide broadcasting, messages urging love and tolerance for all, instead of suspicion and censure, would find receptive hearts. For the great part of the Earth’s population is weary of strife and its aftermath of woe. We know that, as never before, they hunger for knowledge of a way of life that will deliver them. We know that there is fear and confusion in their minds because they have seen and felt the results of two great wars that have served only to foster the seeds of another.
So, with receptive minds and hearts everywhere on your planet, it is not too late. But there is urgency, my son! So go forth with the blessing of the Infinite Father on your mission, and add your voice to those of others who also carry this message of hope.”
“I wonder,” I said slowly, “if you would care to comment a little further on the reason why, even though war on our Earth would endanger the traveling through space of millions who live on other planets, you still feel it wrong to hurt the few in order to benefit the many. We will try to explain,” Orthon answered. “To all of us who have from birth been instilled with a vision of the whole, it is unthinkable to disobey what we know to be the universal laws. These laws are made by no man. They were in the beginning, and will endure throughout eternity. Under these laws each individual, each group of mankind, all intelligent life on each world, must decide its own destiny without interference from another. Counsel, yes. Instruction, yes. But interference to the point of destruction, never.”
His questioning look seemed to ask if he had made the principle clearer.
Firkon, the Martian, spoke for the first time. “You understand the power of thought forms. Apart from our physical missions on Earth, all of us must hold firmly to the belief that the peoples of your Earth will themselves awaken to the disaster toward which they are moving.” I see,” I said slowly, as the issue did indeed clarify itself in my mind.
We know that the power of this thought continually sent out to all our Earth brothers has changed the hearts of many,” Ramu stated. We also are aware,” Ilmuth pointed out, “as are you and many other people on your Earth, that your air forces and your governments know that our ships seen in your skies are coming from outer space, and that they can be made and piloted only by intelligent beings from other planets. Men high in the governments of your world have been contacted by us. Some are good men and do not want war. But even the good men on your Earth cannot entirely free themselves from the fear which has been fostered by man himself on your planet throughout the centuries.”
The same is true of your fliers everywhere on Earth,” Kalna said quietly, “many have seen our ships again and again. But they have been muzzled and warned, and few dare speak out.”
It is the same with your scientists,” Firkon added. Again I marveled at their knowledge of our world and its peoples. “Then it would seem,” I said, “that the answer lies largely with the ordinary man in the street, multiplied by his millions the world over.”
They would be your strength,” Firkon quickly agreed, “and if they would speak against war in sufficient numbers everywhere, some leaders in different parts of your world would listen gladly.”
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