Smart Stoners

Dom (@dotcom) 8 years, 10 months ago

So i just recently started smoking heavily. Over the past year or so i have developed my habit to the point where i now smoke daily. while i do love being a stoner ( i mean who doesnt enjoy some good weed every now and then?) i have always had a stronger intellectual interest; I’d rather be knowledgeable, informed, capable, etc than dumb and high. from recent studies i have gathered that smoking weed does in fact have long term side effects including a drop in IQ over an extended period of time. So my question is, has anyone either ,directly or indirectly, suffered negative consequences from smoking weed? has anyone over a few years noticed a drop in their academic performance. college is right around the corner and if i plan on becoming a mechanical engineer, i may need to cut back on the bud. any comments or insights are more than welcome! Peace and love

July 17, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Bianca A (101) (@biancavila) 8 years, 10 months ago ago
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Lusarity (2) (@Lusarity) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Bianca’s link helps immensely, but at the same time, I think you shouldn’t place too much thought to it. I admit, I had a marijuana addiction. I couldn’t get through any day without twisting a blunt and blazin. I found myself becoming slower, having my short-term memory seriously damaged, losing track of things easily. I found my solution came from realizing why I started to smoke, as this was the point where I had felt I had enjoyed it the most. I found that I had only really done it when I just wanted to have fun, to feel something more. I had gradually used it only to regulate my anxieties, to feel “normal.” I decided to take a large breath, and meditate for a few if I had an urge to blaze. Eventually, staying in the present, with no expectations of the future, helped me with that situation, as well as many other things I had (and still to some extent) still battling. I hope that you find what you’re looking for, in terms of a solution. <3

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@dotcom, everyone has differing opinions on this and maybe there are people out there who both smoke a lot and are smart or high-achieving, but none of the regular stoners I’ve met have ever been like this. And the stoners I have met who have thought they were smart were in my opinion not nearly as smart as they think they are. I’d slow it down. But it’s up to you.

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yoinkie (1,498)C (@yoinkie) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@dotcom, marijuana doesnt make you smart, stupid, or lazy. All it does it emphasise who you are or your mood at that time. Dont let anyone prove to you otherwise. But if you feel the need to change, maybe smoke only late at night aftwr you have finished all that you need to do.


@theskafish
, sorry but that info sounds bias to the people you associate with or know. I finished my BA degree at UW with a 3.9 gpa, and completed my masters degree in 18 months with near same gpa. Also scored 710 on my GMAT which is 98th percentile of eberyone who has ever taken it. I now own two businesses. Ive smoked weed almost everyday since I was 16. I wouldnt have made it through grad school without having a joint to relax me at the end of days. I wouldnt have trucked through 7 hour studies days if it werent for that reward bowl afterwards. Among my stoner friends who smoke atleast 1-3 times a week are some accountants, lawyers, couple business owners, pre med student at stanford, and others. And not only are they successful in their careers, but also in family life and keeping close friends.

Sure i know a couple stoners who are lazy, but they are lazy regardless of their smoking habits. Ive never met a person who was smart and had a good career ahead of them, then became a stoner and through it all away. The stoners you are talking about were just lazy, regardless of smoking. Dont make assumptions based on the latter.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@yoinkie, I would say that you are the exception then, and not the rule. I’m sure there are a handful of exceptions out there too, though I have never met any yet offline. But I’m sure you’re all vastly outnumbered by the stereotypical stoner – it didn’t become a stereotype for nothing.

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yoinkie (1,498)C (@yoinkie) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@theskafish, no, it became a stereotype just like every other steroeotype; people didnt take the time to learn more about them so they group everyone into one single catagory that they understand. Also because they think its “funny” and because hollywood makes funny stoner comedies. No one wants to watch a movie about a stoner who goes to work then workouts out then sits out and hangs with his friends. They want to see dumb stuff happening.

And im pretty sure there are more of us normal stoners who live a normal life then the people you have assumed to be the entire stoner population. We just dont go and gloat about it or do it in a stupid manner. We hang out and smoke in private or places where we arent bothering anyone. Then we just act like ourselves but high, not like the lazy people you hang out or associate with. Just because these are the people you have come to know reflects you and the people you bring close to you, it doesnt reflect marijuanas ability to create lazy good for nothings.

I went and smoked a joint after work with my stoner buddy. Hes an architect whose project leader on a new commercial building. Youre telling me almost every stoner i know is out of the norm, and every lazy stoner you know is the majority?

I highly doubt that. Pun intended. Thats lile hating on alcohol because you only hang out with idiot alcoholics. Get real and stop stereotyping.

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Nick Robare (11) (@journeytoparadise) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@yoinkie, agree with you 100%. personally stopped smoking heavily, but majority of my friends smoke and retain their personalities and habits


@dotcom
, keep smoking, just be aware of how well you’re doing in school. it can be easy in college to get distracted or not notice yourself slipping. if that happens, I would obviously slow down or stop if needed. however, if you are as smart as you say you are and dedicated to becoming a mechanical engineer you will be fine with smoking. we all know the positive effects of marijuana, the negative ones are easily preventable with awareness of oneself. best of luck!

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Filip (2,818)M (@filipek) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@yoinkie, “Ive smoked weed almost everyday since I was 16. ”

Sounds like an addiction to me. Addicts are masters in finding reasons pro the substance they are using.

Sure there are also benefits of smoking weed. But you cannot say you would not get through college without smoking weed, that is a false assumption you will never get an answer on, and only a justification for yourself to convince yourself that there is nothing wrong in the habit you have developed.

There are also alcoholics who run successful business, but that does not mean that the alcohol is harming them directly and indirectly.

I personally do not drink alcohol anymore, but I do smoke weed and I also see the benefits of it, as long as my intention is right. As long as I am not smoking weed because I want to run away from something (how subtle this may be). As long as it will not become a habit just for the sake of it being a habit and because it calms my mind down. As long as I can function without it in the same way or better as I can do with it and as long as I am not dependent on it. But that basically goes for everything in life.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@yoinkie, meh.

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yoinkie (1,498)C (@yoinkie) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@filipek, sounds like an addict to you, simply because you dont know me nor have you educated yourself enough on marijuana use. I didnt mention that i quit smoking for a year in their because of work drug tests and didnt miss it or crave it even once. My career was more important to me, so i choose not to smoke even though i could have gotten away with it. There were no withdrawals, nor did i feel tge urge to smoke it when around other smokers. I simply choose to smoke it almost everyday because of the benefits i feel it provides me and also because of the health benefits i think it provides. As well as because i enjoy it; not addicted enjoy it, rather enjoy it like a piece of chocolate.

Ive done extensive research and marijuana is not ohysically addictive, only has mental addiction capability. But everything can be mentally addicitng, like running, eating, reading or tv.

And yes, for me personally, marijuana helped me get through school. You assuming it didnt is again a fallacy in assuming. You still dont understand marijuana so i can see where you went wrong in reaching these assumptions. Educate yourself more on marijuana use, there is a lot of info out there.

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Filip (2,818)M (@filipek) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@yoinkie, “sounds like an addict to you, simply because you dont know me nor have you educated yourself enough on marijuana use”

I do not know you and I was judging on the information you gave. ‘Smoking almost daily since the age of 16’ (I also assumed you are 18+ since you are running two business and finished your studies) for a couple of years straight is one major symptom of an addiction, so I reckon my assumptions were not that bad.

Regarding my education about marijuana, I know what I know. Do not get to proud, you are not the only one with a college degree and a business owner who is a regular smoker. Also you are not the only one with doctors, lawyers and entrepreneurs in your peer surrounding who smoke on a regular basis. You are not the only one possessing knowledge regarding these matters.

I forgot to tell you that I also got my college degree, am a business owner myself and have been smoking since I was 13th with intermittent periods of daily smoking (before high school/college classes, during (while truanting) and after.

“Ive done extensive research and marijuana is not ohysically addictive, only has mental addiction capability”

Yes, I have not denied this, I know this is true.

“You assuming it didnt is again a fallacy in assuming”

Where exactly did I say this? You putting words in my mouth I did not say is kind of rude.

“You still dont understand marijuana so i can see where you went wrong in reaching these assumptions.”

Speaking about false assumptions.

What an arrogant, disrespectful and biased answer yoinkie, I would have expect better from your side, but this probably is, again, a false assumption.

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yoinkie (1,498)C (@yoinkie) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@filipek, you having a college degree and driven peers who smoke is exactly what im trying to get at. Im not trying to gloat about myself, I was simply stating to skafish that driven smart smokers are everywhere. Then he said no they arent l, and you jumped in. Im just pissed off at all tgese stereotypical views of stoners just because we dont flaunt our smoking around to the general public.

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lectra (9) (@lectra) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

I smoked daily for five years straight and quit recently. My brain is definitely not the same as it once was. Its a lot harder to focus. The good thing is apparently after a year or so off it gets a lot better but I wouldnt be surprised if it had some slight permanent effects. Thats my experience.

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Filip (2,818)M (@filipek) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@yoinkie, I understand where you are getting from and I am not disagreeing with everything you say. I see the wisdom in it, the thing is that I for example do not like when people glorify these substances on a public forum (not saying you are doing that).

You know what you know. I know what I know. But I find it risky, as I also know the potential damaging effects it can have on people, as I have seen people wasting their lives. I am not saying that marijuana is the only cause for that, but it has definitely not helped them in recovering.

Just trying to make people aware of both sides.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@yoinkie, there is no need to be upset. I’ll be more convinced when I meet more driven, smart smokers. I am open to the idea of their existence, however, until I meet them in a significant amount, I can only confirm what I’ve seen. But that will be difficult since I will continue to maintain that smoking is not for me, and will likely continue to abstain from hanging out with stoners.

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lectra (9) (@lectra) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@filipek, I agree, smoking had benefits in the beginning for me but I became a pot addict. I didnt realize I had a problem until I tried ‘slow down’ in my first year of uni. It didnt happen and I finally quit for good ~2 years later. Some people like me cannot moderate and I have accepted that and quit because of that.

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

It’s a fact that performance and intelligence are two different things. A person I found open-minded and objective I met in my university was drinking a lot, although in correlation with his academic performance it had no relevance. Another one who smoked weed, but also cared a lot about his degrees was working more on his degrees than his actual performance in working conditions. For some people the results are more important than their performance and that has its benefits if a person gets a confidence boost from self-pride.
If you’re thinking a lot and loitering on a question when everyone has already moved on, you may become smarter on a subject. Being uncomfortable on purpose to gain knowledge by experience is just the effort to learn something. So let’s say I’m in a constant state of cognitive dissonance (I usually am), because I’m used to feeling uncomfortable. Then alcohol and weed are not going to do me any good, but only emphasize my conflicting thoughts. The only beneficial thing it’s going to do is improve my creativity, but the addiction may develop when there are no other ways possible for me to get unstressed.

@yoinkie
, Laziness is often disguised as being uninspired and at times a desperate need for a meaning to get motivated about something – with or without drugs – it’s when a person lacks direction or an emotional guidance and wants to “boost” himself somehow to do something for his or someone else’s future (private life is a good example for this and could either ruin you or inspire you quite often depending on your relations). Personal achievements and failures are like a drug that motivates, because only a person’s own experience can be rewarding and you showed it with your response.

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Bryan Hellard (307)M (@xyver) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

I don’t know too many stoners, so my sample size is limited, but I’ve seen people who get high over compensate for being high and become more productive.

They smoke a bit (some peers have come to class high) and then think (or, I think they think) “Man… Someone might notice that I’m high. I better work extra hard, so that they don’t think I’m being lazy and high”. Then, in thinking that, they work harder then they would have if they weren’t high.

This was confirmed, when I was talking to one of them, and he said how he was super concentrated on his work when he was high, almost tunnel vision like, watching every movement, making sure nothing was going wrong, because if something went wrong, and he was high, they would blame the drug use. So…. He was paying better attention high then sober.

My 2 cents.

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