Solutions for the world

 Anonymous (@)6 years, 11 months ago

I’ve read a lot about the problems that we face as the humans and I’m tired of it. I understand we’ve been fucked. I’m looking for some solutions and ways that the world could run smoothly say if “the matrix” was to finally collapse.

April 13, 2013 at 8:59 pm
SinD Rae (19) (@araeya09) 6 years, 11 months ago ago

“Be the change you want to see in the world”

I truly believe that living by this alone could do a great deal solving many problems. We focus too much on how we are “supposed” to live our lives and judge others too much. Unless you believe that there really are evil people wanting nothing but destruction then this wouldn’t get you that far. But I think that people are neither good nor bad, we just let our ego’s get in the way. If “the matrix” does collapse? I vote anarchy.

On a lighter note, everyone should meditate more.

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ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 6 years, 11 months ago ago

@stevenv, I think the solution has always been to live sustainably in harmony with the earth. this sounds totally wack to most people because they think we couldnt have any of the technology and development that we have now but we actually have the technology to make this ‘utopia’ weve all imagined happen now, but its the struggle for power that is preventing any this. in fact, those in power know this is true which is why we demonize people like Marx, ideas like communism, socialism, and have been commiting genocide against sustainable cultures around the world for example native americans and african tribes that get in the way of the power’s access to the lands resources, and basically destroy those cultures by polluting their land that they previously had no problem living sustainable. This has happened globally and we simply dont have access to the means to survival and are reliant on the system those in power have created.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 6 years, 11 months ago ago

@araeya09, I love that quote. Of course people who only want destruction exist. Maybe they don’t realize or think they are destroying things but, they are. Anarchy seems like good idea if we could all learn to coexist.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 6 years, 11 months ago ago

@heavydreamz, I agree with you people don’t know how to create a self sustaining home thus resulting in almost being forced to live in the matrix. I say almost being forced because they’re ways out. So the next move I’m guessing would be Eco-villages? Or Eco-cities?

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SinD Rae (19) (@araeya09) 6 years, 11 months ago ago

@stevenv, I definitely believe we could all coexist. Not without problems of course but I tend to have a higher hope in humanity then most I’ve noticed.

@heavydreamz, It only makes sense that we have to co-exist with our environment sustainably to survive as a species at all. It is daunting to me that society at large uses so many methods to keep themselves in denial of this fact. Have you ever read Ecotopia by Ernest Callenbach?

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Anonymous (0) (@) 6 years, 11 months ago ago

@araeya09, I believe so too, amen to that.

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Nakedape (112) (@nakedape) 6 years, 11 months ago ago

@araeya09,

I haven’t read the book you are referring to, but I found what Wiki had on it interesting..

“Ecotopians attach fundamental importance to environmental and social stability within which variety can flourish.”

Tick.

“They value creativity.”

Tick.

“They ensure equality for women.”

Tick.

“They implement the protection and restoration of natural systems.”

Tick.

“They promote food production in their cities.”

Tick.

“As well, they treasure personal quality-of-life values, such as health and friendliness, and both meaningful discussion and play.”

Double tick.

I don’t see how any of this isn’t what we should be striving for. Who wouldn’t want this?

Ralph Nader praised the book, noting that “None of the happy conditions in Ecotopia are beyond the technical or resource reach of our society.”

Without reading the book, I would agree with Nader’s assessment based on the above statements.

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Nakedape (112) (@nakedape) 6 years, 11 months ago ago

@stevenv, look into a resource based economy, it’s essentially where we need to be heading. If we can get roughly 10% of the population to support such ideas it won’t take long for the rest to follow suit.

I would add that ‘the matrix’ has and is currently collapsing. Look around you, it’s not like flicking a switch, it’s a slow gradual breakdown, like watching a sickening multi collision car crash in slow motion.

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SinD Rae (19) (@araeya09) 6 years, 11 months ago ago

@nakedape, It’s so true! I really suggest reading it. It was written in the 70’s and the ideas in there are definitely something we should take example from. Sometimes I wonder why it’s taking so long. But it also gives a very unbiased explanation of how some things don’t necessarily work out for the best or provide the best results. It’s interesting what happens to art culture as well. It’s a very innovative piece of fiction, well worth the read.

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ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 6 years, 11 months ago ago

@stevenv, the technology that could make this truly possible is being suppressed

@nakedape, thats what needs to happen. or any alternative to the current economic model. Boycott the US dollar is THE solution. The Matrix will unfold. Right now its being unfolded by the elite purposefully to create chaos to take over the planet in the name of sustainability under the ‘green mask’.
We will then see the US military on US soil forcing US citizens to cooperate with the plan of the global elite, which is to take away our rights to own land, weapons, money, because its not sustainable, or at least does not sustain they’re totalitarian plan.
Global powers will attempt force us into their ‘new matrix’ so it is necessary to keep the US Military working for a free nation and not the corrupt leaders (who will be telling soldiers that the world cannot sustain the population anymore and that its their duty as a US soldier to send people to concentration camps to eventually be killed) Otherwise the US military will be on US soil forcing US citizens to cooperate with the plan of the global elite, which is to take away our rights to own land, weapons, money, because its not sustainable, or at least does not sustain they’re totalitarian plan. So its extremely important to get the military on our side despite them being already deeply brainwashed. If the military is woken up to the fact that they are goons they will no longer be used to implement depopulation and clearing of the land globally. With the military on our side they will be doing the footwork to prevent the green mask from giving the elite power to force us into concentration camps that are being built as we speak.

Its then up to us how we model the society, which is another complicated subject. Anarchy would be the ideal if we want to keep freedom from the power thats keeps us slave to their government and economy. We need to start thinking in the commune sense and we can decide how they are governed, how we provide products and services or at least the means to survive. Einstein would say a ‘gift’ economy would provide abundance. With the local based gift economy or resource based economy all will benefit within the community. We will need to live communally off the polluted land that we are left with.

If we are able to accomplish this, we completely undermine their entire power structure. The universe will again be free. This is the only way.

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Nakedape (112) (@nakedape) 6 years, 11 months ago ago

@araeya09,

Thanks I’ll check it out. It does seem like it is taking a long time, but I see it in a similar view to the civil rights movement in the past. We are still an evolving society with many things still requiring updates like animal rights for example, but we will get there. Whether it requires things to get really bad for the population before they will decide to change is another matter.

@heavydreamz,

Yes we need to ‘starve the beast’ and start thinking creatively on where we need to be heading. I agree Charles Eisenstein’s ‘gift economy’ is one idea.. Though its probably going to be a mixture of lots of different concepts.

However one thing that absolutely has to change is the structure of the monetary system. There is a very close resemblance of our current economic system to the game of Monopoly, and to those unfamiliar with the game rules, it can only end in a few ways.

1- All players quit.
2- Everybody except one person loses all their money.
3- Nobody can remember how much money they owe the bank.

I personally hope we all choose option 1 soon, but if not Option 2 & 3 might change your mind. Funny how most people need things to get really bad before they will decide to take action. I guess it’s because we are just monkeys after all.

Regarding the ‘elite’, they are just people like you or me, they grew up in this world which we all created and perpetuate, they are really no different than you or me.

Sure they may be more inclined to show psychopathic tendencies than your average person, but that’s because that is what we reward in society today. If you want to succeed and thrive in the world today, you proverbially need to step on other people.

If you want to be worth a few million you have to essentially take from others. Even if you do something really great like make Google or Facebook, you are still charging small business owners a $1 for every click to make money.

Once we as a society start to change our values and decide we don’t want a system where one family can be worth more than a few hundred million people combined, then things will change.

There are roughly 1000 billionaires in the world today, but there are 7 billion of us, the elite have power, but that is because we gave it to them. The people always have the true power.

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Anonymous (177) (@) 6 years, 11 months ago ago

@stevenv, the only “thing” that has ever, and can ever work is self-realization and sharing that person-to-person. governments, organizations, religions have never “worked”. if any had, why would this thread even have been started?

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ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 6 years, 11 months ago ago

@nakedape, Of cours we could take option number 1 and immediately undermine the matrix. This would take a mass cooperation and is almost entirely necessary for this type of gathering if we want to educate everyone to the many alternative ways of living and thought and reevaluate what a system would look like with the new matrix.

Number 2 and 3 are already on the board and have been for a long time. But why do we follow the rules to the game? Considering this, the only option is to forget the monopoly currency bc like you said only one person is left with money and 3 Noone remembers how much money they have left. This sounds like our economy was designed by the same guy that made the game monopoly. Except in real life we don’t need to follow the rules of the book. What if we all decide to play another game, the old currency and rule book can no longer disadvantage us! limitation like ” the world will destroy us” are common when this topic comes up but look at Iceland, basically what they’ve been doing very well for years.

Good analogy.

@stevenv, Good thread you started. You
Mentioned green cities? Eco-villages? This is the ideal, everyone could share abundance around the world with micro economies. But the technology and ideology is being suppressed by the current model. Yeah Jordan’s Valhalla has great intent –but first we need to collectively undermine the current power structure. Otherwise the elite continues to gain control and wipes Valhalla off the map the same way we went to war with the ‘commies” -this is the biggest threat to the current paradigm- sustainabity. If we were sustainable, we are not controllable. We have to get the military to understand this before they are used against sustainable communities like Valhalla or you personally.

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Nakedape (112) (@nakedape) 6 years, 11 months ago ago

@heavydreamz,

Yes I agree, we don’t have to play by the rules if we don’t want to. If everyone stopped paying taxes that go to fund weapons for war and If all those in the military and police stopped participating then the house of cards (or chips) will fall quickly. This is where civil disobedience and non participation comes in.

Iceland is an example of what can happen with peaceful revolution. I agree some new sustainable systems are needed.. I’m not sure how it’s going to come about however I do think it needs to happen on an individual and local basis first.

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