Somebody disprove God and the Bible to me!? Please!

 marcus anderson (@billmasterson098) 7 years, 9 months ago

Somebody disprove God and the Bible to me!? Please!

Because everyone on here sounds like they know their stuff

Advice, links to sites, video recommendations, post whatever

January 13, 2014 at 7:16 pm
josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

i cannot teach anyone anything, i can only make them think – socrates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jFKVhIYH9k&feature=youtu.be

somewhere in here, if there is any truth to this documentary, isaac newton apparently studied the bible extensively and found discrepancies added in through out the ages that gave divine aspects to someone where there truly wasnt

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marcus anderson (14) (@billmasterson098) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

There are days when I don’t think any gods exist. Some of my days I veer towards believing they don’t exist but just not knowing for sure.

However, ALL of the time I think that the God of the Bible doesn’t exist – because that particular God is a contradiction, an inconsistency, and a joke. That God is arrogant, narcissistic, jealous, mercurial, vengeful, petty, and childish. Have you ever heard an angry child say “If you don’t do as I say I’ll hate you forever” ??? Compare that to the Biblical injunctions that would send you to Hell.

The most logical reason I can give you is that everything in the Bible can be equally interpreted as fiction. I can interpret the existence of the world and of the universe as explainable through natural phenomena. Therefore, Occam’s Razor says that God doesn’t exist.

That might be lost on some folks so I’ll explain. Occam’s Razor is that principle of logic that says “Given multiple possible explanations for something, the simplest is the most likely to be true.”

So our observation is that science appears to be able to explain everything we see. I.e. science appears to be self-consistent and consistent with existing observation. Let’s take the three main cases for how we got here.

1. The All Natural approach – Big Bang, stellar accretion, planetary formation through gravity, abiogenesis, and evolution lead to us. We have physical evidence for EVERY ONE of those things.

2. Intelligent Design Creation – God exists and caused all of those things in #1 to happen so that we would have no evidence of God’s existence and every evidence of non-existence to confound us. (Remember, only through faith can we get to God, right?) I won’t swear to it, but I think the current pope believes this way.

3. Young Earth Creation – God exists and planted evidence all of those things in #1 so that, although we are in a place only 6000 years old, it LOOKS like it is far older. God created evidence of all the things mentioned in #1. He even created light coming our way from distant objects with perspective and parallax consistent with a far older universe.

Occam’s Razor would immediately strip away #2 and #3 because they require MORE assumptions than #1. I.e. they add the complexity of a god creating a perfect illusion of #1, because we absolutely have observed the physical evidence associated with option #1. Given the complexity of the evidence that we have found already, that merely compounds the abilities required of God, to the point that those abilities cannot logically exist. Then there is the kicker… why would such a powerful being bother to create such piddly-squat folks such as us? There is no reason for it other than imperfections in this perfect being.

reasons for Gods non existence

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

metaphors exist

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marcus anderson (14) (@billmasterson098) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

explain God’s creation metaphor?

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marcus anderson (14) (@billmasterson098) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

To believe in something on faith alone would mean not using reason to arrive at a belief, which only an unreasonable person would do. So God is basically asking us to do something that is literally unreasonable, and he knows that those who are rational won’t believe without evidence. So isn’t he discriminating against rational people? Isn’t it wrong to expect someone to follow you without a rational cause to do so, and to punish them if they don’t?

And if hell is the result of separation from God as apologists claim, and that it’s the inevitable consequence of unrepentant sinners(that even God can’t control), why would God create anyone in the first place, knowing full well that anyone who is and remains rational is doomed to eternal damnation?

Also, as much as I appreciate intuitive evidence or inductive logic, I think it’s unfair to expect people who are conditioned to a material reality to accept immaterial claims as fact without empirical, material evidence to support those claims.

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

er.. It can’t be lol..

It’s possible that a Garden of Eden, Tower of Babel, Great Flood, Egytptian exile and exodus, Daniel in the Babloyian lions’ den, Jesus’ Gospels, Saul into Paul, etc. happened. I’m not closed-minded to say they didn’t, or couldn’t have. But then many Christians say that the Bible is false, again this could be, but no more valid than saying it’s the absolute truth/word of God.

I’m not religious, so don’t care in honesty, but then I admit the Bible contains a lot of wisdom.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

There are things that have advantages or disadvantages to humans, then there are things that have both, then there are things that are more about subjective preference, there are things you weigh consequences against justice, there are things that are relevant and things that are irrelevant.

Can I disprove the Bible? I’d say it has some good stuff and some stuff that you shouldn’t take too seriously. Can I disprove God? I’d say if God exists or not is irrelevant, what you need is to figure out what is beneficial, to you and those around you, and weigh up your decisions based on what is appropriate as best you can according to the sense of justice your available knowledge provides you.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

What would proving or disproving God really change about humanity? Many people who believe in God treat people like crap while others who believe don’t, many people who don’t believe in God treat people just fine while others don’t.

Proving God exists will just mean that people will continue to treat each other bad and good, just the same as proving he doesn’t exist. The topic is irrelevant.

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marcus anderson (14) (@billmasterson098) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I do believe the question of his existence is important. There are people that abide fully by the bible. A person raised in Christianity who finds out he homosexual may not lay with another man, have intercourse or as the church calls it commit sodomy with each other. This person cannot have sex with the one they love. There is also the fear of going to hell, stated in the scriptures about Lazarus and the Rich man, Revelation and even Jesus talked about the punishment of eternal hell. I do understand the moral guidelines it sometimes provides, mostly conveyed by the mythical or historical figure Jesus. but the question remains, Does Jesus words hold any divine authority? Does God/Jehovah/Yahweh/Elohim, apparently creator of all everything, speak his/its Divine law through him? Is there hell for the wicked and those who don’t accept Jesus as their saviour?

Now what you are stating is a morality evolved from evolutionary and societal means. A ‘don’t hurt me and I wont hurt you’ mentality.

What Religion proposes is a Divine Judge. A eternal spirit higher then us all, who in fact created us thus we belong to it/him. God will be the only thing that could judge us. Not our subjective morality because what is seen good in our eyes may not be seen good in another’s.

Individually/Subjective/Societal/Evolutionary/Court of Law v.s the idea of Divine Law

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marcus anderson (14) (@billmasterson098) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Now if everyone knew he did exists, the world will have no problems!
But then we’ll have to get into the question of free will and why he has made himself unnecessary in the light of Evolution, biological and societal.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Oh we would still have problems if we knew he existed, extremist problems notably, because unless he actually stood before us and kicked our asses into line, we would be in the same position; a bunch of zealots believing they know what he really wants.

The problem with proving he doesn’t exist is a degradation in morale, not morals, but morale, people would see less purpose, if any at all, and feel less connected to something more profound.

I’d say it makes perfect sense that we do not know either way, because it diversifies humanity, a scientist has great understanding but has a commitment limited to the probabilities calculated, a religious person less solid understanding but no problem with commitment, faith is a powerful thing.

So you have two mind types that are apparently in conflict, but in reality they could very well be complimentary toward each other with the right prompting.

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nonofurbiznıs (0) (@firijitbardot) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

1) ın the famous sci-fi book named hitchikers guide to the galaxy- babel fish there is a part which can be enlighten your issue ı guess;

“now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything as mindbogglingly useful could have evolved simply by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of god.

“the argument goes something like this: ‘i’ll refuse to prove that i exist,’ says god, ‘for proof denies faith, and without faith i am nothing.’

“‘but,’ says man, ‘the babel fish is a dead giveaway isn’t it. it could not have evolved simply by chance. it proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don’t. qed.’

“‘oh dear,’ says god, ‘i hadn’t thought of that,’ and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.”

secondly, there are two things about existence of god which are so paradoxical
one of them is that ; there might be a God that has never interloped universe and in this sitiuation you couldn’t understand whether god exists or not.
the other one is that ; you couldn’t proof something that has never existed. ıt is like liar issue, if you say someone liar it means he couldn’t lie to you and then you discover it.

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I can’t disprove the aforementioned, and I don’t aim too…Nor can I prove it beyond my own personal little bubble. Many books exist, yet God is not words on paper. The only link is to your own truth in your own personal incarnation.

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I can write a whole book about disproving this…
I can write a whole book about proving this…
Neither of the two books will mean anything beyond what I choose to tell myself.
And to others, both books would be meaningless.

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NyxWalker (0) (@nyxwalker) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Disprove a fairy or a unicorn. Then you’d have disproved god.

One thing to disprove the Bible’s “truth” value, and to prove it was written by humans: it is anti-scientific from the very first line “in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” It is a scientific fact that the universe had already existed approximately 9 billion years before the earth was formed. There’s no need to give more explanation of the Bible’s falsehood. Yet, I’m going to do so: god created light…then he created those things that make or reflect light (stars, sun, moon). That makes no sense. I’ll stop here.
One way to get an idea of the Bible’s lack of truth and sense is to actually read it…that, if you possess critical thinking. Read it and you’ll be afraid of the Christian god and his followers (if they were to obey every word in the bible which, fortunately, they don’t).
I yearn the day people free themselves from the hurting lashes of religion for good.

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