Something better than Democracy and Republicanism.

 Jordan Garcia (@FaustianX)5 years, 1 month ago

    I hate the idea of a hierarchy government and monetary system and being a slave to this debt economy with laws that are so easy to break that doesn’t adversely effect anybody other than yourself and only allows for police to gain revenue from those easily broken laws. 

    What I aim to do, is to replace this rigged government and sham of an economy and replace it with a libertarian consensus democracy with a gift economy. Replacing money, there would be guilds which make necessities for its community of other guilds, and and earn specialized benefits from the guild which they are in. For example: A automobile guild builds cars for its people, and people who work in he automobile guild gets a fancy cool car of their fancy as their own specific unique reward. A farming guild will produce food for its people, and their special benefits farmers earn are ties with cooking and natural medicine. One goal in mind: Helping everyone establish a sense of equal-ness while also satisfying personal wants and utilizing the abundance of people in the country to contribute to others so they may receive back, theoretically getting rid of the higher class, middle class, and lower class hierarchy. here is still law without authority, as there would be police guilds which only serve the purpose of protecting the community from danger and arresting those who are doing harm to anyone or anything.  National defence guild will serve the purpose of protecting the country from invasions. 

    Education would be slightly different, keeping the idea of elementary to highschool, then the student would be able to choose which guild they feel they would enjoy being in, after being fully aware of the specialized benefits of guilds which peak their interests. Egalitarianism would be taught in the schools as well, which should theoretically lower bullying, grow maturity, while also seeing the benefits of working together rather than working through racism and segregation of any kind.  Kids as they grow, will see what they like to do, and will be able to be what ever they wish to be since joining guilds would be free. Because they are choosing what they like to do, they will work better at doing so because they feel it is natural to them, thus creating a happy worker with quality skills and unique skills while also seeing themselves just as useful as everyone else. 

    This system would be very hard to corrupt, as the consensus government must take into consideration of a large amount of people through polls which are frequently vouched for. People could bring up an idea easily, if they seem it can benefit without adversely effecting anyone, while also being fair, people could vouch for that idea and then the consensus government which is made up of those polls (NOT REPRESENTATIVES) deems it benefits the country as a whole rather than a majority or minority. Buffs and debuffs can be made to adjust certain jobs/ideas to ensure things don’t become “over powered” that would adversely effect the people negatively.  For example: Someone wishes for marijuana to become legalized when it is illegal, they would make a pole about why marijuana should be legalized, the benefits and the adverse effects, if people deemed marijuana was more helpful for the whole population than it was adverse with evidence to back up the claim, people would vouch for it and if it has a large uproar, the government would simply allow marijuana to be legal, and if people it can be adverse due to certain circumstances, they can debuff the law to make exceptions to where if people use marijuana adversely, they could be prosecuted. To make sure the government cannot be corrupted, people who are in the government must be in a guild and also will have to be able to pass morality tests which could only be failed by people who aim to be in the government for selfish desires.

I am 17 year old male, and am a junior in highschool, considered to be sitting in the middle-class, and I only wish to build a system which is better for the people, not better for just the upper class.

All ideas, criticism, and views are greatly appreciated as it can help me improve this idea to make it better and well suited and fair for everyone. Literally, open up to all ideas which would benefit everyone. Have a good day. :3 

May 9, 2016 at 1:46 pm
Yousif (4) (@Yousifya) 5 years, 1 month ago ago

 I understand and value your unique idea of equality among all the population but again the system seems to work best in older societies and is also not complete and has holes in it, for example what about supervision and the guilds guidance and control who would do that? is it someone of higher position? and under which guild does he fit? Also how can any system replace the idea of money, money has been used since thousands of years and cannot be replaced in the 21st century(might be replaced by e-money soon though) because it is really important and one has to give a great alternate. Another concern is how can you convince the masses to work in their guilds daily without getting paid? the system of special reward might not work here because people by nature are greedy and selfish, they want to become the better than the others and will strive for power. Last point will be on what bases will you create guilds and how will guilds communicate with each other internally and with other guilds? what about the more complicated guilds such as finance and business and will there be ranks(police) inside the guilds? 

Sorry for using this way of too much questionings and setting the flaws in your idea..

I don’t expect you to answer all my questions lol and btw your system sounds much like those “build you empires” games :)

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Jordan Garcia (0) (@FaustianX) 5 years, 1 month ago ago

Oh trust me, those questions are very important, as they will matter in the case if we do implement this. So basically, just like accounting, we have accounts receivables and account payables, who owes money and who we owe money. Its like that, but instead of money, it is resources. People would have to account for the items which are moved from guild to guild. People who are good at accounting and inventory still have use in the guilds. There would be no “higher ranking” as that is a hierarchy. Leadership skills are still useful, and a leader is only one who leads their team, which is just as important as someone who is  on the front lines in the police force. Guilds will be supervised by the members of that guild. There is enough people in the world to where everyone could literally choose what they wish to be, and because of that, we don’t have to worry about there being too many of people in a certain guild, and if there are low members in a guild, we will have another guild attempting to popularize the low membered guild by upping benefits and making it just as necessary as any other guild. And to convince the masses, basically just tell them “Hate paying for everything separately? Why not just work to receive all the living necessities, and receive specialized benefits from the guild of which they work in.  

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Yousif (4) (@Yousifya) 5 years, 1 month ago ago

Sounds much like communism, in which you work and we’ll provide the necessities. 

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Karol (1) (@RysioMisio) 5 years, 1 month ago ago

Terrible idea my friend, you are basically proposing a combination of caste system with communism that would only work in an utopia which as we know will never exist.

Some flaws i quickly found:

1.You assume that guilds of power will be moral in their doing which as we know from history was never the case, after 2 days your utopia will be controlled by the millitary guild and the whole idea will be dead.

2.Moneyless economy makes no sense in modern society, this kind of system only works in small communes lacking diverse product (amish communities, israeli communes)

3.Deciding value of products without money would be a disaster.

My tip to you is to first learn history because things you proposed existed before and they dont exist anymore for a reason.

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Jordan Garcia (0) (@FaustianX) 5 years, 1 month ago ago

There is a lot more to it other than what is put up here. I shared his discussion on another website, which I shall not list here in the respect of this website.  

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Yousif (4) (@Yousifya) 5 years, 1 month ago ago

Is it the one in your profile?

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Jordan Garcia (0) (@FaustianX) 5 years, 1 month ago ago

Yup

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Karol (1) (@RysioMisio) 5 years, 1 month ago ago

I just looked it up, people on the forum came to the same exact conclusions as i did.

Im telling you if stuff like that interests you read some history books its like making experience of mankind become your experience. Right now you are not educated enough to think of a system that would even come close to working, and dont take an offense, its obviously a very hard task ;)

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Jordan Garcia (0) (@FaustianX) 5 years, 1 month ago ago

Well, it isn’t going to stop me from trying my friend. Thanks for your advice and reply. :3 
One thing however, history only tells from the “winners” perspective of anything. And usually, a winner never reveals their secrets. During the Mayflower compact, people set up a commune just like mine, the only difference from it however, there was still a king with reach, and also, they did not have technology, nor a lot of people. Times are changing, and so that means so is everything else. You can’t just base history on the future. However, you could reference to it. 

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kenstories (6) (@kenstories) 5 years ago ago

They also (in the largest sense) started killing the native people around them over time. You are comparing apples to oranges. A small group of settlers with nowhere near the immense fabric and compxity of today’s vast human civilization is not an apt comparison. Also, imo you are indulging in a little conspiracy thinking in that “history is written by the winners”. Yes it is, but how gemane is that to what you propose?

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kenstories (6) (@kenstories) 5 years ago ago

I appreciate your sincerity but I think at 17 you have no idea how change works. I suggest you read articles on the profound economic consequences just from Britain leaving the EU and that’s within an entrenched system. Movement like you suggest might, might take 500 years.

If more equality is what you want, focus on what is more achievable now within what we have. There are meaningful changes that can happen within a market economy. And money is not going away anytime soon. Get used to it.

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Jordan Garcia (0) (@FaustianX) 5 years, 1 month ago ago

What does it have to do with finding a better system of government? 

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