Spirit versus Brain
What are the real functions of the brain versus the spirit?
So far my understanding is that the brain is a generator of ideas and engages restlessly in constant synthesis, expressing itself in the form of deliberation and unending curiosity.
Simultaneously, the spirit is a focused, determined wave of constant energy that gives birth to the commitments of the brain and expresses itself as initiative and intention.
What are your thoughts/ descriptions of these two things?
I need to be able to control my monkey mind.
I especially need to understand the spirit portion so I can listen to it
Think of what you experience. This is your spirit. Your brain is your organ that makes it possible.
Your brain seems to be the radio, and your spirit/consciousness seems to be like the radio wave. That’s why I don’t understand why the notion of life after death is so hard to believe in if you think of it like this.
You smash the radio (the body/brain) it doesn’t mean the soul/spirit (radio frequency/wave) is destroyed, it just doesn’t have a vessel to pick up information.
Maybe? Fact of the matter is nobody knows, but this is the way I percieve it.
Maybe this will help. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTrtEZC39mQ
@anjelica, my contention is that spirit doesnt exist. Its a fanciful construct of we humans. Brain does it all. If you got patience try The Shadows of Mind by Roger Penrose. Though he holds a diffferent stand from mine, yet, its scientific and substantiated.
@ballsackturtles23, personal experience cannot be enough evidence for things in the real world. that is why we have the scientific method (observe, hypothesize, experiment, repeat, conclude). and in particular in matters of cognition, the bias is huge as its the very understanding thats trying to understand understanding. if u get what am saying?! thus.
@ballsackturtles23, and about the radiowave and radio analogy, where’s the transmitter thats producing the radio wave?!! anyway, analogy is not to be used to substantiate a point. it can never (even in the most exceptional of circumstances) mirror the case at hand in all its myriad peculiarities. the role of an analogy is only to help the person understand your point.
@myselfbaba22, I get what you’re saying and you’re right. But that just shows the limitations of science. Consider this. Life started on early about 4 billion years ago, and from that one common anscestor, we have every living thing on this planet. We (plants, trees, birds, bees) and all brothers, sisters in a sense. Death appears to be an illusion. Life thus becomes an illusion. Life started 4 billion years ago and it hasn’t stopped yet. Yes our bodies can’t handle this plane for very long, but that’s why we repoduce and change ourselves. I say there seems to be one type of life on this planet and that is DNA. The speicies categories and all that are just illusions that seperate us from nature. Darwin proved so by studying the lizards in the galapagos islands. On one side of the island, the lizard had a stripe, but as you moved toward the other side, the lizard changed color. But on the far size of the island, the lizard was unable to repdrouce with the original species he studied. There is no black and white, only an infinititude of grey.
Consider the universe “is infinite paradigm”. At the “time” of the big bang, “time ceased to exist”. If that’s the case, literally anything is possible.
Francis Crick’s friends and collegues claim he told them he was tripping on LSD the time he discovered the structure of the DNA double helix. How about them apples?
“The universe sprang from nothing in a single instant.” that is one of the most far out, impossible to prove, theories, but it’s accepted as fact in our current (limited) model of reality.
So what is the difference between the mind and the spirit, if we have decided that the brain is the physical organ?
@myselfbaba22, I don’t know. Who says talking monkeys can understand the cosmos in the first place? All I’m trying to say seems to be “I don’t know.” I’m not making a claim one way or another, aside from the fact that I bet you don’t know either. And if you say “the brain is all there is”, well what about creatures without a brain. The worm for instance. I’m willing to bet they “experience” and have “spirit” as they have a nervous system. And we can keep this dicussion going down to single celled organisms. At what point do people recognize we are all stardust and the universe seems to be alive.
“my contention is that spirit doesnt exist. Its a fanciful construct of we humans. Brain does it all.”
Then what do you call the experience of day to day life? I call it spirit. Can a robot experience reality? That’s where we hit a brick wall. Whether you call it spirit or not, the fact of the matter seems to be, you are experiencing being alive right now. In otherwords you can call water “shebhfgbhgb”, and I could call it “water”. That doesn’t change what it seems to be. We are trapped in linguistic constructs. Only when we break out can we see reality for what it truly seems to be.
By enabling us to perform the sacred spiritual feats of “logic” and “critical thinking”, which are absolutely necessary in order to achieve enlightenment, the brain helps us to avoid being lobotomized whilst on our perilous dance routine. There is no vs, everything needs to be in harmony.
for anyone out there that thinks taking psychedelics help you reach a better understanding of our world is completely out of touch of what “being in touch” with understanding the universe really means. Those drugs are simply causing chemical reactions in your brain which then produce hallucinations in your mind. You are not seeing “God” or the “Truth”. I feel sad for people who think they are closer to understanding simply because they dropped acid a few times or ate a mushroom.
@malagha, Sober experience is caused by chemicals in your brain. Sober experience is a hallucination and full of illusions. Just because you see the world sober doesn’t mean you’re getting the whole picture. I feel sad for people that don’t understand this.
We are what we eat, foods/drugs we intake. It literally metabolizes and becomes us. Caffiene alters consciousness. Weed alters consciousness. We grew out of Africa with a symbiosis from the plants. The plants contained chemicals that redefined our neurochemical make up. Not to mention psychedelics have founding roles in the religion of ancient egypt, shamanic cultures all across the world. Psychedelics and shamanic practices are at the heart of religion.
@anjelica, You are neither your mind nor your brain.Those are the tools creating the illusion of reality for your.There is no good explanation of what exactly a spirit is-it is perhaps a subtle version of your self. Yes, it is absolutely possible to control both mind and thoughts including desire.Do not accept any idea or suggestions including what I am sharing with you unless you have a first hand experience.I have created one Youtube video about controlling your desire.
@anjelica, I hate the word “versus.” Why must they be pitted against each other? If it cannot be proven that one or the other exists or does not, why hypothesize that they are in conflict with one another? What good does that do?
Choose your words carefully. They work to shape your thoughts.
@myselfbaba22, In the past I was inside a rigid logical mindset and couldn’t believe in spirit either. I couldn’t shake the absurd. Like, it suffocated me and I would lay in the same place for hours unmoving. But then I realized that even the absurdist/atheistic philosophers mostly cite passion,beauty and love as their meaning in life, and I can’t logically believe in those ideas without some formless power making them possible. The very essence of those things are mysterious and magical.