Spiritual coexistence

 Manimal (@manimal)6 years, 5 months ago

Buddhists + Hindus = no problem
Hinds + Christians = no problem
Hindus + Jews = no problem
Christians + Shintoists = no problem
Shintos + Confucians = no problem
Confusians + Bahaians = no problem
Bahais + Jews = no problem
Jews + Atheists = no problem
Atheists + Buddhists = no problem
Buddhists + Sikhs = no problem
Sikhs + Hindus = no problem
Hindus + Bahai = no problem
Bahai + Christians = no problem
Christians + Jews = no problem
Jews + Buddhists = no problem
Buddhists + Shintoists = no problem
Shintos + Atheists = no problem
Atheists + Confusians = no problem
Confusians + Hindus = no problem

So where’s the problem?

Muslims + Hindus = Problem
Muslims + Buddhists = Problem
Muslims + Christians = Problem
Muslims + Jews = Shitstorm
Muslims + Sikhs = Problem
Muslims + Bahais = Problem
Muslims + Shintoists = Problem
Muslims + Atheists = Problem

Muslims + different muslims = BIIIGG PROBLEMS

The muslims clearly are not happy.

They aren’t happy in Gaza
They aren’t happy in Egypt
They aren’t happy in Libya
They aren’t happy in Morocco
They aren’t happy in Iran
They aren’t happy in Iraq
They aren’t happy in Yemen
They aren’t happy in Afghanistan
They aren’t happy in Pakistan
They aren’t happy in Syria
They aren’t happy in Lebanon
They aren’t happy in Nigeria
They aren’t happy in Kenya
They aren’t happy in Sudan

So, where are the Muslims happy?

They’re happy in Australia
They’re happy in Britain
They’re happy in Scandinavia
They’re happy in France
They’re happy in Italy
They’re happy in Germany
They’re happy in Belgium
They’re happy in USA and Canada
They’re happy in Switzerland

They’re happy in almost all countries that are not Islamic. Especially those secular, ex-Christian countries that never had an ounce of Islam.

And whom do the Muslims blame? Not Islam … Not their leaders… Not themselves…
They blame it on the countries where they like living!!!

And they want to change these nicer countries, to become more like the countries they don’t enjoy, to become more like the countries from which they fled for their lives or left because they were sick and tired of living there…

Ali, Muhammed, Mahmoud, Abdullah… you are damn crazy.
But nowhere near as crazy as the western folk who give in to your whining and threats.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

Interesting observations. I think the west, led by the US, is approaching the extremism of the Muslim fundamentalists though.

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

I just deleted my reply on this for some reason.

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Ghost (9) (@ghost244) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

I think its important to point out that fundamental Isalm is a peaceful religion in practice and saying all Muslims are crazy towel headed heathens that wave AK’s around and blow shit up is maybe generalizing a tad bit. The is a huge difference between ‘general practitioners’ and extemists. Thats a bit like saying every Christian in the US practices there religion in the same manner as West Boro Baptist which would be an incredible generalization. And like @mikeyw829 said, the US is increasingly becoming more and more extreme which of course helps nothing.

Always remember, people don’t hate people for no reason, we are a product of our environment, hate breeds hate.

What would be your response to their actions? If not giving in to their wining? Would you blow them off the planet, or perhaps just ignore them and pretend they aren’t doing the things that they do.

When I look at the state of their environment and then compare it to the average American in poverty, I’m not surprised they’re upset with us and want to live here still, much less if you consider the many Americans living in abundance. Perhaps we should instead invest our massive military expenditure on cargo planes and daily living supplies and drop a shitload of nonperishables and can openers, I bet it’d be cheaper and yeild more positive results.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

I see your points, but the problem is that this softening narrative is even more biased and even more generalising.

All the holy war and religious terrorism in recent history are Islamic.
The only ideology/movement that can compete with Islam’s death and oppression is communism/socialism… but that isn’t seen as a religion (although it shares all the same characteristics as religion).

Westboro is a small fundamentalist group, they don’t have any large scale influence on any society or even a large following, and they don’t commit acts of terrorism.
Islam is one of the biggest, and the fastest growing, religions in the world… there’s a bunch of countries that have Islamic laws and cultures. And there’s no shortage of extremists.

The awful terror they spread in the west is nothing compared to what they do to their own people, for disagreeing with their religion… or just for believing in a slightly different version of it.

Islam is not a peaceful religion. Muhammed, right before his death, literally ordered that all non-muslims must be conquered. No other major religion does anything like this.

Muslims don’t follow the Mecca Quran, they follow the Medina Quran, which is a lot more hateful and violent and extreme in every way.

When the western deceivers use examples from the Mecca Quran to define the Muslims, that’s just like using Jewish scripture to define Christians. Or Buito doctrine to define Buddhists.

There is no moderate Islam, there is only extremism.

What would be my response to their actions? Same response as I, and most sensible people, have to all others’ actions.
Whining gets ignored. Threats get attacked. That simple.

The only reason western countries take in muslims is to fuck with the people. You had become too difficult to rule, because religion was declining and national unity was increasing. That simple.

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psyne (5) (@psyne) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

All groups have their crazies…

Westboro
Bodu Bala Sena
Bajrang Dal
Shining Path
RIRA
Aum Shinrikyo
Kahane Chai
LRA
KKK
Etc…

They are all batshit insane – the problem isn’t even the 1% crazy folks trying to impose their will via terrorism. It is the media that focuses non-stop on the story to present a narrative that is ultimately destructive. Seriously not to sound crazy myself but consider the infinite number of times a day ‘fundamentalists’ from all religions don’t kill someone. However the media instead of focusing on numbers as trends we put all of our attention on the current problem du jour.

Rather than believing that ALL or a majority of or significant minority of Muslims hate the countries they live in or believe that their new country should change – make some Muslim friends and learn from them what they really care about you might be surprised to learn that they dislike their crazies even more than the rest of the world.

In 2007 Stephen Pinker gave a great talk about the decline of violence across the globe. Granted there are still some truly horrifying stuff going on in the world but thinking big picture wise things are massively better for most people than even a decade ago. With the rapid spread of cheap communication technology, innovations in education and energy production it doesn’t take a genius to see that the trend is rapidly approaching exponential.

That said recent events such as the Ferguson, the NAACP bombing, Charlie Hebdo attacks and subsequent hostages situations et al absolutely prove that there are still some truly awful stuff happening in the world. However, it is also important to note that not all of those events are examples of religious fundamentalism turned terrorism.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

Ok, and when’s the last time you heard about any of those groups committing acts of terrorism? Is it a frequent occurence? Are they infamous for it? Do they have millions of followers in a bunch of countries?

We all know the answers to those questions. And we all know that if I had asked the same things about Islam, the answers would have been the opposite.
Your comparison is completely invalid.

The media aren’t working to make Islam seem worse than it is. They’re doing the exact opposite. The stuff they report is just a small fraction of the terror they cause. Because they do most of their terror in their own backyard, and most western folk can’t be assed to look up what’s going on in other parts of the world.
The media defend Islam as much as they can, and avoid bringing up their atrocities unless they just can’t hide it because people would completely lose faith in the media if they did.

What you’re doing is spreading the politically correct narrative. An involuntary propaganda machine is what you sound like. Especially with your ideological rant about how good things are now, when the west world is becoming more and more poor and countries suddenly go from great to miserable and oppressive, the people lose power and there’s a shortage of homes, violent crime is increasing in most of the west world, and most of the world is getting ready for war (your country included).

How fucking ignorant can you get?

I’ve had a bunch of quite sensible “muslim” friends… what they all had in common was that their “muslim” status was nothing but an incorrect epithet, they were not really practicing the religion.
Just like most “Christians” and “Buddhists”. Incorrect labelling is all it is.

True muslims are truly horrid. Religion, in general, is an atrocity.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

This is the biggest load of inaccurate crap I have ever seen; humans are shitty across the board, you are singling out one identity as a problem when in reality all of humanity shares the defect.

The problem is poorly focused institutionalisation, the Western Investment class is so bad every other institution combined looks positively Utopic in comparison, I’d say get your priorities strait.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

If you think that was inaccurate, you should look at YOUR OWN POST.
Because none of the things you accuse me of are things I actually did.

I’m having trouble determining whether you’re a shill or just an ignorant island colony dweller who can comfortably deny the problems because you’re far from the shores of the continent where shit is going down. It’s not your friends and family that’s being threatened.

I’m not singling anyone out. The misery and oppression in the arab region is unique, it’s not found anywhere else. And if you take a look at any European country, you’ll see that the levels of crime rise exactly in parallel with the levels of muslim immigration. You’ll see that the countless no-go zones are all Islamic, and zones like that didn’t even exist before the muslims arrived. You’ll see that countries that had virtually no violent crime, or fighting among the people, before the muslims arrived… are now among the most unsafe countries in the world.

Other peoples, no matter how different, tend to get along reasonably well in most any kind of society. Muslims, on the other hand, consistently make enemies with other groups of people wherever they go. You could claim some nonsense like people are taught to hate muslims, but that’s a lie, all the west world media coddles and babies the muslims and tells everyone how good they are. It’s been like that for several decades.
The people don’t go out to fuck with the muslims, they get pissed off when the muslims fuck with them.

The people are not pissed off without reason. The people have had enough, that’s why nobody wants anything to do with the muslims.
If you say the non-muslims started it, you’re either a blind follower of the media, or someone who works for the media.

I am not singling anyone out. I don’t deny that there’s bad people in every group. But the fact of the matter remains that there’s only one group that can rival the atrocities of the muslims. And that’s the leftists. They have a lot in common, and the leftists tend to defend the muslims as well.

See the pattern?

Of course you do. But denial is a powerful thing.

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Sergeant Major General loony tunes (15) (@downscript) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

Yeah, i see where your getting at, politics interest me, i heard Russia was going to war with canada, or they might as they are on their land, just mining away, and no ones stopping them, i heard that russia wants to war with canada because canada has all the fresh water, now that’s just fucked, this is interesting to say the least, religion is retarded, the communism/socialism part that can compete with islams death and oppression, that’s a good idea, as it seems to remedy the problems, but everyone needs to be educated about the extremist as well, get this, i just searched up muslims and this showed up right away “Islam is a religion of love. My brother was killed by terrorists, by false Muslims”, that’s just messed, i was just talking to my family the other day, they said their was terrorist attacks in paris, a police thought to be involved killed himself, it goes on to say “Malek reminded France that the country faced a battle against extremism, not against its Muslim citizens. “I address myself now to all the racists, Islamophobes and antisemites. One must not confuse extremists with Muslims. Mad people have neither colour or religion,” he said.”
it goes on to say that people are shooting at islamic familys and so on
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/10/charlie-hebdo-policeman-murder-ahmed-merabet
these terrorist are basically just killers, they are terrorist, simply put, but you got some good ideas, have you ever considered going on ted talks or whatever, people need to realize god doesn’t exist and it’s all in their heads, you got alot of information on this, you must of did alot of research on this, I’m just wondering how, keep it up, yeah i heard about the world going to war, i heard there was gonna be world war III
check this out, this is the stuff i was talking about with earlier, some guy told me all about this and now it’s on the news
http://www.inquisitr.com/1744204/world-war-3-mikhail-gorbachev-warns-of-a-russian-nuclear-war-over-ukraine/

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

Russia is not going to attack anyone. Russia are not warmongers. Only the Americans and Arabs are.

People act like Russia is still Soviet. Soviet was a parasite that hijacked Russia and eastern Europe. The Russians of today are more like the Russians that were BEFORE the Bolshevic took over.

Russia are merely responding to threats and violations of THEIR land and THEIR rights. The USA and UN are the culprits, Russia is the victim. The establishment is against Russia, but the people of Eurasia are mostly on her side. Everyone is sick of the Amurricans who can’t keep their fat sticky fingers in their own damn joke of a country.

They say Islam is about love.
They also said Communism was about love… but nothing has every caused more massacres than communism. Communism killed more people in a few decades than all holy wars did together over several centuries.
The socialists are not much better either… they also kill people like it’s going out of style.

Why is it always the religious and the leftists who cause violence and oppression? Because that’s the only way to win an argument without reasonable arguing.

All forms of religion (including marxism, it IS a religion) are bad for humanity and for the world. Ideological warriors in their various forms are a bunch of troglodytes that’s holding the world back and causing suffering.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 6 years, 4 months ago ago

Treat people like crap and when they react use their behaviour as evidence they are bad news, oldest trick in the book and you either have fallen for it or you are trying to get people to fall for it. People are just people, there is nothing especially abnormal about Muslims except the way the rest of us treat them.

Leftists and the religious do not cause violence and oppression, the wealth and power class does and you know it.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 6 years, 4 months ago ago

Ok, so worshipping a book that tells you to kill everyone who does not believe in the book is normal? It’s something everyone does?
Nope.
Muslims, however, do EXACTLY that.

Please remind me of the last time “the wealthy” went out and beat people for thinking differently. Please remind me of the last time they held a bloody “protest” where people got killed.
Only ideological fanatics do that. And no, nobody needs to “provoke” them, they come up with “reasons” to do it anyway.

The reason why democracy never works is because of these “victims”. The leftists, fascists and worshippers. Wherever there is democracy, these assholes take over and build a dystopia. That’s why constitutions were created, to protect the people from fanaticism and oppression. But because of these lying fanatics, the people sold out their constitutions and their people.

The puppets of the “power class” are not wealthy, the wealthy people are a thorn in the rulers’ side. Leftists and religious institutions carry out the agenda of the power class, usually while thinking they’re doing the opposite.
Useful idiots who betray all true humanity.

The master and the puppet are two sides of the same rotten coin.
It’s not poor vs rich. Working class, middle class and upper class are all in the same boat, we are all the people. The parasites exist above the upper class and below the working class.

But because of Useful Idiots like you, who insist that the people fight each other instead of fighting our the REAL enemies that we share, the parasites grow stronger and the people get weaker.

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Mehdi msellati (2) (@Mehdi.mest) 6 years, 4 months ago ago

Worshiping a book? Killing non-believers? what book are you talking about exactly?

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 6 years, 4 months ago ago

In my experience Leftists do not defend Muslims, most Leftists tend to be against religion in general, Conservative are against Islam because it isn’t their religion. The problem with Muslims is they are from a region of the world that has shitty social development, that isn’t because of Islam it is because despite the resource wealth there none of it has been used for improving the conditions for the citizens.

Muslims are mostly family oriented people like the rest of us, we have common ground, look for people who don’t give a damn about family and you will find the real problem in society, but then I have a suspicion you are one of them. Fact is you know how to make a dead end philosophy sound promising but that is all you really know, you have ruthless cunning but no wisdom or common sense, you defy nature like you are above it and it poisons everything.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 6 years, 4 months ago ago

All west-world leftists defend Muslims. I don’t know about your stolen homeland, but in the west world the leftists bend over backwards for Islam.

True conservatives (constitutional republicans, liberal-traditionalists, social-conservatives, etc.) in the west world are against all religious power. They accept and appreciate the existence of religions, but the moment they try to influence the people they’ve overstepped some serious boundaries.

I don’t care enough about family? Tell me, Ray, how big is your family? How close are you to them? How many little humans have you produced? I’m close with all my family, kids and elderly included. I can know my heritage since almost a millennium. I’m close with distant relatives and I would give my life for the little ones.

When did I ever preach philosophy? That’s right, never. YOU, Ray, are not in any position to judge someone else’s common sense, because you seem to have none of your own whatsoever.

I defy nature? Big words for a fucking Trekkie. I’m a fucking manimal, I live in the woods, I eat my food raw, I use solar power, I live on foot, I am one with nature.
You, on the other hand, preach about anti-human and unnatural structures/habits all the damn time.

So don’t talk about nature, because you obviously don’t know what it even is to begin with.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 6 years, 1 month ago ago

You are right, you do not preach philosophy, that would be giving you too much credit, you preach ideology in an attempt to indoctrinate feeble minds, and you crucify any that resist, or overwhelm them with a barrage of half-baked ideas that they don’t know where to start, and it forces them to dissect the discussion into power-point breakdowns like a machine, because that is your game and you have the home field advantage.

Fact is you are weak and unnatural because you are not interested in growth and adaption, you are interested in your own power and the regression of any minds who pay you attention. You are also weak because you are subject to motives, I am strong because I am subject to causality and understanding. I am glad I met you because it showed me exactly what not to be, my only regret is giving this pathetic excuse for a thread another comment. You hate yourself, I can tell because everything you say you hate about Islam is exactly what you embody.

I think it is time to be a man and leave the animal behind, because that is what is unnatural, staying an animal when you have evolved to the next level, conceptual reason. 

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Mehdi msellati (2) (@Mehdi.mest) 6 years, 1 month ago ago

Firstly, thank you for your reply, this article really revealed how people think that if i’m a muslim then my parents must have been waking me up every morning and hitting my head with a book until i love it, or telling me that i must pray or believe in something because they did.Wow, you have inspired me Socrates. A 34 years old man who reads books about philosophy and the missionary herald and gained insight to his life and thinks thats it!?.  I have went through your profile if you dont mind “sir” and i dont want to be judgemental or anything, but star trek? or you think writing in a sophisticated language makes one?
How dare you say that i am weak? how do you know if im not interested in adaption or growth or whatever “fancy” words you use? What do you know about me? you’re 34 years old, yet you seem really lost to me. I’m a student, i believe in god, science, development and life i believe in the evolution and i believe im different, i have a scholarship to study abroad because i want to learn more. I fucking speak 4 languages, i have studied electrical engineering in my previous university and now im doing a Master+bachelor degree in aeronautical engineering in the fucking UK. How can i not be adaptable or be “unnatural”?. maybe i am,yes,  I’m only 20 years old from Libya, a country that was severally affected by the civil war in 2011, yet i’m strong and surviving in this shitty planet with shitty people, my religion is my guide through life and seeking education is a regulation or an important thing and maybe you know nothing about religion because you think its magic or you think if you believe in god then you dont believe in science or life!? i know how and why people who dont believe god think of what i said, i studied psychology, philosophy, maths, physics and everything, probably more than you have ever done. Maybe you are weak or unnatural, im sorry for being disrespectful sir but you need to know that this is the 20th century, we humans exchange ideas, we build things together without judgments, we have came up we algebra, newtons law, numbers! fucking numbers! languages and everything, but was this all because of a persons believes? i dont think so, it our nature. Yet, there are people who have not been educated properly, assuming they are from a developed country means they are developed!
This is my answer for you ], what have you accomplished in your life that gave you the ability to judge people, i believe judgment is kinda of important, but not for everyone, because some believe that copy and paste things from a book makes the author. (Im kinda not sure for whom this comment is directed to, Ray?)

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 6 years, 1 month ago ago

I am proportionately weak but I do not judge people, they reveal themselves and I just tell them what they look like to me. I am pretty reliable at doing that because it is not my weakness. What have I accomplished? I don’t know, maybe nothing maybe a lot, I don’t keep track because I do not need to keep tabs, I take every challenge everyday and do what I can, as long as I do that I do not need accomplishments to acknowledge, I find it pretty petty that the measure of a man has to conform to a social standard when all that matters is how you feel about yourself.

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Mehdi msellati (2) (@Mehdi.mest) 6 years, 1 month ago ago

Im sorry, but i dont understand the system of this website, the reply thing is too confusing, i refreshed the page and the order changed for no reason. Yet, i dont know to whom your comment was directed to, it keeps sending me emails!. Apologies if my comment was irrelevant to you.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 6 years, 1 month ago ago

Sorry, I was speaking to Manimal, (Eli var) the owner of this thread.

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Mehdi msellati (2) (@Mehdi.mest) 6 years, 1 month ago ago

This is embarrassing, i thought your first comment was directed to me because as i said the order changes and once i finished the comment i couldn’t delete it. have a good day

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 6 years ago ago

Haha this is fucking delightful.

You’re literally BRAGGING about how humble you think you are.

All that matters is how you feel about yourself? Tell that to the mammoths. Tell that to the old Persian empire, or the Byzantine for that matter. Tell that to the Soviet union, or the Nazis.

You can bet your ass they felt just as proud and self-entitled as you. Because they shared that same folly. And that’s what brought their demise, just like it will to you.

You’re the one who’s maladapted and refuses to grow, just like the billions of gullible dregs who do just like you.
You’re the one who can’t leave your miserable lower yearnings behind.

By all means, keep pointing your finger and acting superior… it will just make it easier for the flood to take you.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 6 years ago ago

I do not preach any kind of ideology and you know it. I shoot down an extreme ideology, you defend it.

What you promote is the ideological equivalent of McDonalds.
It’s cheap, effortless, full of flavour enhancers and advertised everywhere. It’s the effortless option, for self-destructive imbeciles.

When someone suggests a sane alternative, you show up to promote your McDonalds.
When someone points out the flaws of McDonalds, you’re there to defend them.

You know what’s the funniest part of all is, Ray? The madmen you defend do not care for you one bit.

You are not strong, you’re just bloated. The mental equivalent of the bloated you get from crappy fast food.

I am an animal and proud. The animal side of man is the wiser. It has evolved to perfection over since the dawn of life. It has soul, it has experience.
On top of this ancient mind there is another newer part that deals with pure logic and higher awareness. It also fuels my every thought.

Wedged between them, there is this useless part that handles opinions, insecurities and fallacious conceptual thinking.
THAT is where you draw your so-called strength. And that is why your destruction is inevitable. You are the definition of self-destruction, Ray.

The degenerative effects that come of Globalism, Marxism and Religion are just examples of natural selection. Except you’re all volunteering for extermination. You wipe yourself out with your chaotic disorder. This is a great purge, the great flood, Ragnarök.

I do not fear your stupidity, whatever shit you stir up can never hurt me. I will live through, and see a better world when you have all wiped each other out.

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Almeida (304) (@xetado) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

You should replace Muslims with Shias. I don’t see any harm done by Sunnis more than Christians, Jews, etc. Keep in mind that the extremists are only 10-15% of Muslims in the world.

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Ghost (9) (@ghost244) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

Thank you this is exactly my point

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

@xetado I can see that perspective, but there’s a lot more to it than that.

First of all, 10-15% is a whole lot. Compare it to the small decimals of extremists in other religions. Christians in Africa tend to be quite extreme, and a lot of them converted from islam. Other than that, religious extremism isn’t rare.

Furthermore, sure Sunnis aren’t jihadists but they have a lot of other nasty blood on their hands… most of all the blood of their own people. And the way they oppress their women, it’s just mad.
In countries where we have a lot of common muslims, there are daily news reports of muslims who are killed by their own families for disobeying. Yes, regular Sunnis.
It is done in the name of their religion, and the verses that “justify” this behaviour are also found in the bible and torah and used to be traditions for their believers as well.

I’m not against Islam specifically, but it is currently the big problem.
You’re all getting hung up on details in my message, navelgazing just like you have been led to do.

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Almeida (304) (@xetado) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

I understand that even Sunnis are quite fundamentalists in Islam, and I’m also aware about the bullshit this religion is full of, however my point is, the problem is not specifically extremist Muslims, but rather extremists. If they use the Qur’an, the Bible, Mein Kampf, is irrelevant. I’ll take a better look on subject, thanks for instigating the matter.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

Extremists are not the whole problem. Extremists, on their own, cannot achieve much.

The problem is all the people who close their eyes to what their fellow people are doing, and keep saying “we’re not all like that.”

The problem is all the people who buy into a narrative that says extremists aren’t extreme. There’s plenty of covert extremism in the west, and it’s all “peaceful and compassionate”. Most of the people on this site preach extremist ideas thinking they’re doing something good.

The problem is the people who fund oppressors and then act innocent (that applies to most voters and tax payers, especially in the USA).

Everyone who does not stand up against the extremists, are guilty. And the closer you are to the extremists, the more you have in common, the more guilty you are.
For example, muslims who don’t stand up against I.S. might as well be considered members.

The “islamophobes” in the west are not really targetting the muslims, we’re targetting the corrupt politicians who bring the islamists to our homes. The politicians use the muslims as a shield and a source of tax revenue, and as an opportunity to oppress and wage war.

How should a country prevent terrorism? Well, don’t let assholes run the show. Assholes fuel and fund terrorists on the home front… and their harassment of other nations create reactionaries which turn to terrorism.

Take a look at the global statistics of which country people think are the biggest problem, the biggest threat to peace, the most corrupt, and the bad guy?
Most people in almost all countries say it’s USA, even a lot of Americans. And when the angry people come for revenge, who takes the blow? Is it the rulers? Nope, it’s the people.

Just like the Islamists, USA go around threatening and bribing peope, and keep saying “there doesn’t have to be a war”-
They say it’s about peace, but there’s only peace as long as you submit to their narrative.

USA is a terrorist empire.
The Arab/muslim alliance is a terrorist empire.
The marxist movement is a terrorist empire.
The global bank is a terrorist empire.

Anyone who cooperates with them (most of the world does) is a terrorist sidekick. And they’ll come up with thousands of excuses.

That’s why terrorism still reigns supreme. Because most people give in to it and indirectly take part in it.
Only when people wake up will terrorism be overcome.

Rulers say they’ll protect you, but in the long run there’s nothing more self-destructive than allegiance to rulers.
The only way to end the bloodbath is by fighting back.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 6 years, 1 month ago ago

I think you need to wake up to the fact that people are not going to wake up on the mass scale, it comes down to instituting a standard of leadership, that is doable, changing global consciousness is a pipedream that will not be realised for thousands of years. Society evolves very slowly, it is an arduous task to drive it, frustrating, but don’t fall into that same old shit that has always been happening, every time we say “fuck it” and go to war we put evolution backwards, not forwards.

That is just impetuousness when you cannot wait for change, it takes hard and smart work not easy dumb work. 

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Almeida (304) (@xetado) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

By the way, any thoughts on how a country should prevent terrorism?

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Sergeant Major General loony tunes (15) (@downscript) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

I remember for years, there was been terrorist attacks, involving muslims, and it’s not stopping any time soon.

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Ghost (9) (@ghost244) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

What I consistently see in this argument is, you’re all wrong, sure there’s bad people one every religion BUT MUSLIMS ARE DA WORSTED OF THEM ALLS. Which is simply untrue, in fact historically speaking Buddhists have been the cause of more executions than any other organized religion.

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Sergeant Major General loony tunes (15) (@downscript) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

How are they wrong? we’re talking about recent history here, no one ever said muslims was the worst of them all, the point is that their involved with alot of terrorism, and not only that they are involved in a state of misery and oppression, being directly involved in it, they aren’t exactly the most sound people, i know background has alot to do with religion, but the point is that, that the extremist is getting out of hand, people have alot of different beliefs, even if it doesn’t make sense, their is something wrong with them, the main point is that their religion and beliefs are causing alot of terrorism, the topic is just to highlight how muslims don’t get along with almost everybody, i simply stated that god doesn’t exist, that is completely neutral, and i didn’t stray away from the political aspect of this all, i just mentioned russia might be going to war too, just to add interest, it’s definitely not religion, but it’s worth bringing up, it’s just another trend you can follow, something that i am interested in hearing about, war is just insane, no matter what the cause is, but it still exists, people need to get over the fact that beliefs are just beliefs, no matter what, holding a belief is stupid, i thought world war 3 was worth bringing up, but you didn’t provide any constructive criticism, it doesn’t matter what you read, or believe in, doesn’t matter what kinda god you think exists, it doesn’t justify any kind of terrorist acts, what is going on today is inhumane, this is about stuff like ISIS, a terrorist organization, they kill people and it’s been going on alot lately, because of what they believe in, i been following that trend too, it scares the shit out of me, they recently attacked canada too, i just don’t see how communism and socialism can solve this problem, but it’s a really excellent topic to bring up, that could be just what we need, but we won’t know until it’s put into action, laws against drugs doesn’t stop drug use, education can possibly reduce use, or minimize it, even though wide use of drugs amongst different age groups should warrant more research on said drugs, the long-term effects and short-term effects should be studied better, but they aren’t, not that i’m aware of, i just don’t see this stopping any time soon.
check this out http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/11/ottawa-closely-monitoring-as-video-repeats-isis-calls-for-canada-attacks/ they mention the terrorist attack on paris.

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Ghost (9) (@ghost244) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

I was not referring to your response, should’ve been more specific my bad

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Mehdi msellati (2) (@Mehdi.mest) 6 years, 4 months ago ago

Muslims are not getting along? are you talking about the limited number of insane terrorists who kill under the name of islam or the other 1.6/1.7 billion muslims who live normally with their muslim/christian/jew/others neighbours peacefully, but do u see that in the media? do you know these type of info? no!. Those isis creatures appeared from nowhere and after the “lets unite and bomb isis” showed up and nothing happened until now, yet they are still getting weapons and funded from other countries that can benefit from this “war”, yesterday they burnt a man alive!!! a sunni muslim, so if u want to correlate a religion with insanity of a person then every human being is a terrorist, there isnt a religion that promote violence or peace but there are violent people and normal people.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

@ghost244, Are you illiterate or are you misinterpreting on purpose?

Where did I say islam is da wurst?

As for the buddhist thing… those atrocities were not done in the name of buddhism. They were done for war purposes and political reasons, by people who also happen to hold certain buddhist values. Buddhism doesn’t really dictate or promote certain lifestyles.
Islam does. Christendom does. Judaism does. Other religions are generally not like that.

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Ghost (9) (@ghost244) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

Clearly I am misinterpreting your message as the only thing I received from this is a load of fear mongering and pointing fingers.
You sound like an Intentional propaganda machine.
From all this ‘evidence’ you have as to why exetremists are the problem the world faces today sounds like regurgitated ‘facts’ you heard on the news. Also the consistent use of your blanket term ‘terrorists’ show a huge lack of personal understanding. I know more soldiers who’ve been in the thick of this bullshit war on terrorism who have come back broken souls when faced with the atrocities committed in the middle east and almost everyone said we should simply leave because we caused more harm than good. I had an air force pilot tell me how he was ordered by his CO to bomb a CIVILIAN apartment building because they heard a rumor that a civilian had ‘potential terroristic connection’. You know what he did, he annhiliated a building and slaughtered hundreds of civilians and guess what the kicker is, they had no idea if the ‘potential terrorist’ was even there at the time. Do you remember hearing about it on the news?

Don’t fucking tell me that Islam is the reason the world is in terrible condition, actually don’t tell me its Islam, america, Russia, iran, Afghanistan, Christians, Buddhists, Jews, or fucking aliens, because the truth is, were all to blame, YES ALL OF US. We are all to blame because like you said, those that sit around and just watch it happens Are just as guilty as those that commit these acts themselves.

But I can promise you that simply trying to be the one who was ‘the most right’ in an argument on some forum is not helping in any way.

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Sergeant Major General loony tunes (15) (@downscript) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

Yeah, in reality we have no idea if what we are fighting for in war is true or not, but it’s not like we can stop the war, i mean we can’t physically stop the war, we would be one of the victims, quite possibly, the only thing we could do is educate people about war, and try to prevent it that way, we should just leave war behind but it’s not simple, people want money, they don’t have jobs, they think what their doing is good, or that they have to fight in the war or else they might be killed once they are already in battle and so on, it’s basically organized crime, that’s what war in the general sense your referring to, killing civilians is a crime against humanity, i wasn’t trying to be right at all, all i wanted out of this is to hear everyone out, so i could understand where they are coming from, you just made a pretty good point, once you join the army, it’s a contract, you just can’t leave like that, i also heard, i think it was korea, that once the men i think turn into adults, they have to join the army for atleast 2 years, i was watching this video, it was really dramatic, listed a bunch of facts about war, and it goes something like a soldier 1 out of 5 kills himself every several amount of minutes, because of ptsd, about 80% of soldiers that survive get ptsd, and 1 out of 5 soldiers come home crippled and about 3 out of 5 soldiers don’t get the medical attention that they need once they get home, the statistics are random, i have to find the video, it was messed up, everyone is pretty much messed after coming out of war one way or another, well the chances are you won’t be normal.

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