Spirituality Through Combat (First Post)

 Jack Fayden (@JackFayden)8 years, 3 months ago

Hi there everyone! New member here and I was interested in starting a conversation about this particular topic that I can’t seem to get a lot on info on.

Basically I’ve had this weird connection to hand to hand combat and “spirituality”. Now I use the word “spirituality” here loosely because I really can’t think of a better word to describe exactly what it means to me. It’s almost like a unification of body and mind all while discovering things about yourself. Kind of like the Fight Club quote: “How much can you know about yourself if you’ve never been in a fight?”. Thing is I never have, well not really anyway, but I still feel like there’s a connection there for me and I want to try to explore it some more.

Sounds kind of cheesy and maybe unrealistic but I always thought the purpose of Ryu, (The main character from the Street Fighter series), was an awesome thing that I could really stand behind.

I’ve really been held back by people not understanding this, mostly because I don’t even know what I’m talking about yet when I tell them I’m sure. If anyone has any info or has some kind of similar experience with this I would appreciate the discussion and incite.

Thanks everyone! Looking forward to being a member here!

Jack

June 22, 2013 at 10:56 pm
MorePeanuts (4) (@misterpipsqueak) 8 years, 3 months ago ago

We all find that “spirituality” in different ways, whether in art, dance, poetry, design you name it. A creative element has to be involved.

Martial arts are unique because it unifies mind, body and spirit. The mind must be focused, in control of the body and the spirit must shine through. This awareness arrives in different ways for different people. I seem to find it by paying attention internally when executing a technique.

The masters of Budo refer to this state of being as “mushin” or no mind- when there is no chatter in your head, and you move clearly, decisively, receiving any attack thrown your way the instant you sense it. Supposedly in perfect harmony with your opponent.

Other cultures call this state by different names, I’m currently unaware of them.

Ki in combat is also another thing, but most people forget that “ki” has no direct translation in English, and means much more than “vital energy.” I’ll bet there are similar systems in Chinese arts as well, but I’m unfamiliar with them

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 3 months ago ago

@jackfayden, The General, Tits is a high level HEthen who happens to be a boxer, he’d be the best person to get advice from on this topic.

But totally, our greatest opponent in any challenge is ourselves, we have to find this personal mastery win or lose.

A win can be as difficult to deal with as a loss, our ego and overconfidence can lull us into false senses of security or complacency, we must remain vigilant and focused.

Then with a loss we risk losing esteem, a threat to give up rather than improve is also a danger we also must face.

Remember, I am no fighter, I am stating a principle that converges on pretty much all aspects of life.

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Jack Fayden (2) (@JackFayden) 8 years, 3 months ago ago

Thanks for the replies gents! I’ll definitely see about talking about this more with more people to get more feedback on it. It strikes me most weird that it’s just been kind of ingrained in me since I was a kid. I used to wonder IF reincarnation is a thing who I was in my past life and if that maybe had something to do with why I felt this way. Or it could just be that I watched too many action movies when I was young lmao.

But at any rate it’s just always been something in the back of my head gnawing at me. My first big passion is music, so it didn’t make sense to me that this would be almost in the same category since they’re essential two polar things. The “artsy” stuff usually always directly condescends the “real world” or “practical” stuff and I’ve had a very hard time trying to integrate both of them in my life. It’s almost like I’m half of each and it changes from day to day which side is more dominant.

Sorry, random rant. Anyway, I remember also hearing something about combat being a form of language on a completely different level. That’s why it interests me so much I guess because I can understand that. You learn things about yourself and someone else through that kind of engagement that you can’t use words to describe. It’s a like a conversation that brings out your best and worst traits. Body language itself is how we decipher things on a subconscious level before anything else even happens, but that’s common knowledge. So my thinking is that, if you already notice body language enough to discern things about the people you are watching what does being in combat do to that conversation? When it’s just you and this other person and the only thing you are paying attention to IS the body language. Your subconscious and consciousness would be working together I would think because that is the only thing that matters in that moment, what your opponent is doing I mean.

Sorry for the long post, I can just really dig into this topic now that I have people who are open minded enough to analyze it with me. Loving this community already lol

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Groddan (6) (@Groddan) 8 years, 3 months ago ago

I understand your interest in the topic. And I would say let your curiosity guide you to a dojo nearby and start asking these questions, you’ll soon find out many of the answers you seek. I’d also suggest staying away from the pop martial arts (karate, jujitsu, tae kwon do), only because many of them have become so commercialized and the learning stops after you’ve perfected the movements.

I’m studying an art that is very focused on the use of ki, getting the body movements down is only the first step in learning. It is very intertwined with the ideas of religion (Buddhism) and links to the ideas of body and mind. Our art focuses on the idea of blending with any attack thrown and diverting the energy to pull your opponent in and use his own energy against him.

Again, your best bet is to go pick up an art! Don’t just pick the first one you find but ask around, look it up online for dojo’s near you. Many of the people who practice and train as a lifestyle are always willing to talk and share information. There is a whole community of people (who are much more knowledgeable than I) that will help you!

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Jack Fayden (2) (@JackFayden) 8 years, 3 months ago ago

@groddan, Man thanks so much! I’ve been trying to find something in my area. Problem is that I’m from a small town in America so there’s really nothing nearby BUT the stupid herp derp martial arts schools that puts you in a class with 6 year olds. Not that there’s anything wrong with 6 year olds but I’m sure you see my disdain with that considering how serious of a thing this will be for me.

What do I search for online to find these people/dojo’s. Everything I’ve looked for has led me to the over commercialized garbage so far D:

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Groddan (6) (@Groddan) 8 years, 3 months ago ago

Many of these dojo’s won’t advertise because of their firm belief in modesty (if you’re the best its not going to be very humble to walk around bragging about it). My own sensei does so for the same reason. What you should try and do is start by calling these commercialized dojo’s and ask them, most fighters like to keep tabs on competition and some will even train with each other. The only reason I found my art was through a friend who was training in it. So just try and network! Good luck!

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Jack Fayden (2) (@JackFayden) 8 years, 3 months ago ago

@groddan, Thanks a lot man. I appreciate the help!

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