Spirituality vs. "Jesus"

Not that they are opposites and need to battle… but I have lately been questioned (and told I was wrong) on a lot of my beliefs that are mainly stemming from Eastern philosophies, and told that there is only one God and that Christ is the savior… which is annoying because I just don’t understand what they mean when they speak of “Christ”.

Let me say I have no issue with Christianity as a belief system, I respect it’s believers and it’s concepts, as I believe yes there is one “God” because there really can’t be anything else… The only thing that differs is what that word means in our own individual heads, how we relate to this ultimate reality, how we discuss it and how we personify it. Personally I resonate with Eastern philosophies more, the idea of Brahman being the ultimate reality and Atman being the manifestation of that ultimate in my own being, everything in one and one in everything.

And then there’s new age beliefs (which really is just returning to ancient wisdom) mixed with the scientific discoveries around vibration, quantum possibilities, dimensions, etc. which is also a form of spiritual belief centered around positivity and infinite possibility. It seems to me that we all have good intentions with our beliefs, our perspectives are just different. What is it that makes some ideas of god more valid than others?

I guess I just want to hear people’s comparisons, contractions, for, against, or maybe why there is such a split between religions (even though they all basically say the same thing).

Please keep this respectful of people of all faiths and beliefs as we are not actually disagreeing on the concepts, just the ways of understanding.

October 7, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Anonymous (0) (@) 5 years ago ago

@dantesparadise, Like you said they’re all different interpretations of reality and God pretty much. So none of them could be 100% correct because no one really knows. They all do have a lot of things in common. For example, love, being interconnected and all that. But what some religions have is this sort of thing that shuns other religions or puts down the followers with a menacing god or something of that sort. They’re all just myths of how this world came to be. I don’t understand how anyone could possibly believe in any of them but than again belief is from wanting to believe in something.

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Ray Butler (1,422)M (@trek79) 5 years ago ago

@dantesparadise, Jesus has given us a bunch of examples on how to love each other and how to recognise hate and turn away from it. This is possible to learn without ever knowing who Jesus is/was, but people have decided to hinge their existence on their beliefs rather that distinguishing these truths by personal observation.

I say a couple of things “The sake of the world does not depend on believing in God, a moral centre, faith or law, it simply depends on the choice between loving and hating”

I also say “Love is not proven by faith and/or law but faith and/or law are proven by love, do not approach one article of faith or one letter of the law without having love foremost in your heart and compassion foremost in your mind”

“Wisdom is where empathy meets rational thinking, the only thing that deludes rational thinking is when you lack discipline over fears and desires, when they command you rather than you ordering them”

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dofalmingoo (4) (@ymafanugal) 5 years ago ago

Why do we need religion? Can’t we just feel good when we do good and feel bad if we do bad. IMO we don’t need someone to praise us whenever we do good and punish us whenever we do bad. Do it because you want to yourself, don’t do it just because you fear someone, or you hope for reward – may it be the promise of everlasting life or eternal damnation or material things. Just because you’re afraid of the unknown doesn’t mean you have to rely on your blind faith. Rely on yourself, open your mind and strive after rational knowledge.

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Endure1 (16) (@Endure1) 5 years ago ago

@ymafanugal, I think you are grouping all religions into the same boat as Christianity. Most religions start from a person (a divine messenger if you will) with something to teach. I don’t consider myself to be of the Baha’i Faith, but reading up on their beliefs it is close to what I feel for myself. Two examples: The belief in questioning things and figuring out answers for yourself (not relying on blind faith alone) and also humans in an ever continual evolution of ideals. You mentioned “Can’t we just feel good when we do good and feel bad if we do bad.” without delving too far off topic.. philosophy would love to have a irreducible answer as to what is good and what is bad. Religion gives us a kind of standard to base actions off of.

@dantesparadise, “What is it that makes some ideas of god more valid than others?” I do not think of any idea of God being valid but rather more widely accepted.

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Anonymous (1) (@) 5 years ago ago

Philosophy & endless genealigies only lead to dispute.
Chist is all & in all.. but thats beside the point.. Ask the Holy Spirit to teach you. lean not unto your own understanding but lean onto God’s understanding..
study the Word & get involved in a christian church rather than going off of MANKINDS idea of who GOD is.
Christis my God :) & i won’t push the subject on you like religious nincompoops but i can tell you of the precepts & statutes & you can start to build a relationship with God individually as well as in fellowship so you really get a positive view on the world & God as well :) Message me.

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dofalmingoo (4) (@ymafanugal) 5 years ago ago

@endure1 I’m not grouping anyone at the same boat. I am simply saying that the concept of religion is stupid. I’m not trying to say something bad about specific religion at all. I am trying to say that people sometimes get to consumed about their beliefs (there is no such thing as loyalty, only RESPECT) that they forget what we should really appreciate. Nature the Sun the Earth, Air, Water, Animals, Plants or the Universe as a whole. After all they are the reasons why we are still here. (IMO) And why do we need to follow the standards of other man made organizations? Can’t we just observe whats around and learn from experience, Good and Bad. Only my opinion. :D

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Michelle Dante (18) (@DantesParadise) 5 years ago ago

@lerraci, this is what I mean, no one has yet told me what Christ means, people just throw all thus jargon at me and it just doesn’t jive. It doesn’t resonate.

I appreciate your earnest desire to help me but I don’t want to get involved in a Christian church, I do my own form of personal praise to the higher power of my own understanding, and I have a connection with it personal to me. I just don’t understand what the difference is between calling it Christ or Shiva or Moe.
What makes the church’s idea of what God is more valid than “mankinds” belief? Why would other people be wrong about what God is if that’s how it is manifesting for them?

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Starry Eyed BLiND. (670) (@cristinelizabeth) 5 years ago ago

@trek79, I love your response. It’s so powerful honestly. Keep spreading the love : D Thank you!

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Starry Eyed BLiND. (670) (@cristinelizabeth) 5 years ago ago

@dantesparadise, & Thank you for this post because I too have this dilemma of understanding the differences between all that is “divine”. I believe in vibrations too, and the everything is one and infinity. It all is just hard to piece together but it’s all inside of us so just stay true to yourself <3

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Anonymous (21) (@) 5 years ago ago

@dantesparadise,

Highly recommend the book “Perennial Philosophy” by Aldous Huxley with regard to this topic. Classic, dense, beautiful, enlightening, and so well researched. Full of quotes from truly enlightened people and texts through the ages of all denominations and self discovery.

Also the movie ‘Samsara’ which is shows the common godhead in so many manifested forms in such beautiful ways.

Think you will find that the term ‘perennial philosophy’ is what the OP is speaking of. Perennial Philosophy is defined as: “as a perspective within the philosophy of religion which views each of the world’s religious traditions as sharing a single, universal truth on which foundation all religious knowledge and doctrine has grown.

“The Perennial Philosophy is expressed most succinctly in the Sanskrit formula, tat tvam asi (‘That art thou’); the Atman, or immanent eternal Self, is one with Brahman, the Absolute Principle of all existence; and the last end of every human being, is to discover the fact for himself, to find out who he really is.” – Aldous Huxley

Also find it more fulfilling to discover the perennial philosophy message of Jesus through the gnostic gospels and not the canonized new testament. “Raise the stone, and there you will find me; cleave the wood, and there I am” – Gospel of Thomas

Peace and love to everyone on the journey.

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Anonymous (1) (@) 5 years ago ago

Awesome! That’s more SPECIFIC.
See, there are other gods, but only one is righteous & only one died on the cross for us & only one name prevails over ALL things and that’s Christ Jesus. Even Buddha said that there was a greater profit than him & he was specifically talking about the Holy Spirit.
the reason it doesn’t mesh well with you is because you havent accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord & Saviour.. move from rebellion to acceptance. WHO CAN UNDERSTAND THE PRECEPTS OF GOD? Lest we ASK of Him? No one! I know him because I asked of Him:) & now i have the knowledge to share with others & also to make it fruitful & tangible in my life not just WORDS> But He knows you’re praying He hears our every call, cry & silence. He says don’t try to turn people from their religion, you dont have a religion. & a conversion with cover a multitude of sins & save a soul so, I’m glad you’re open to this “topic”. Why don’t you try calling on the Holy Spirit during you’re worship & praise time? If you get resistance it’s normally the devil, our beliefs continually change but with Jesus, He stays the same He never changes.

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Anonymous (1) (@) 5 years ago ago

If anyone wants to know of God, let them ask of Him.

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Endure1 (16) (@Endure1) 5 years ago ago

@ymafanugal, Religion is a set of beliefs, principles, morals, ethics, and practices set up to lead one’s life. I do find issue with how it can shape the ideology of some followers but many religions are based off the teachings of spiritual leaders.. are the teachings of some of the most enlightened people ever to have lived “stupid”? I share a similar ideology as you do, except I do respect many organized world religions. I’m not claiming any to be perfect (they are a creation of mankind) but their teachings are generally a good guide. Maybe today we are capable of determining what is good/bad for ourselves but do you think humans have always had the same reasoning/resources/empathy? I think your issue is with the organization of religions and how they can lock people into a specific worldview and well my point with mentioning the Bahai faith was how not all religions are as dogmatic as others.

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Endure1 (16) (@Endure1) 5 years ago ago

@dantesparadise, “What makes the church’s idea of what God is more valid than “mankinds” belief? Why would other people be wrong about what God is if that’s how it is manifesting for them? ” Most Christians (used to) believe that for a person to get into ‘heaven’ or even to be a ‘good person’ they would have to accept Jesus as their savior. Jesus was sent by the heavens to lead us in the right direction. He is the light, otherwise referred to as Christ. This quote might help you better understand where they are coming from.
John 8:12 (KJV)
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 5 years ago ago

Christ is the Mediator. It has nothing to do with a master or a religion. To have the Buddah is the same as having the Christ. It’s beyond all dogma. West calling East wrong, is the pot calling the kettle black.

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dofalmingoo (4) (@ymafanugal) 5 years ago ago

@endure1 maybe its just my english, but when i said the concept of religion is stupid, i meant religion is just a useless tool to tame the human kind. I never said something bad about the “spiritual leaders”. Also when you said guidelines it’s like saying a defined path or a cage for a wild aninal? Human beings will always do good and bad no exception, cause that is our nature. Would you cage beautiful wild animal and tame it or would you admire and appreciate the animals as they are? Embrace the good and bad, cause that is what makes you a being. I may not be a religous person, but I mean no harm or disrespect to other people or religions or organizations i am just voicing my opinion. and i do believe humans are caple of learning on their own what is good and what is bad its just a matter of willingness of the individual. Animals can do it why cant we? When i say good and bad i dont mean the kind of what us people defined. Hey i just want to say i like you i really do! :)

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dofalmingoo (4) (@ymafanugal) 5 years ago ago

@endure1 its not because im trying to be a smart ass, im just curious where did the spiritual leaders got their knowledge about things? Where did they base their teachings?

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dofalmingoo (4) (@ymafanugal) 5 years ago ago

@endure1 also forgive my use of the word “stupid”, you can’t assume that i disrespect other organizations or religions or other people, just because i used the word stupid. Word is just a word depends on how people use it and how people take it.

I try to refrain myself from writing a statement that would sound like I’m trying to prove my self and make people see what i see or say something that would change their mind about me, but i guess I’m just a human being emotions can still affect me. Again my apologies :D

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dofalmingoo (4) (@ymafanugal) 5 years ago ago

(IMO) Religion, Beliefs, Philosophy, Universe, Buddha, Allah, Jesus etc… They are all the same, they are all meant for the good side of things and they are also meant for the bad side of things. It will always come down to every individual on which to focus on.

Always look on the good side of things – Make yourself aware of the bad things, but never focus or dwell on it. That is if you want the good things (happiness, love, unity, peace etc…)

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