So I was meditating… or, for simplicity’s sake, we will call it meditation though I tend to not use that term for this way of being…
I felt my awareness slowly expand until I felt as if there was no difference between “myself” and my “surroundings” it all felt like one.. I decided to try something.
I was laying down, and I decided to attempt what some may call an Out-of-Body-Experience but I think it more closely resembles remote-viewing.
Basically, in this deep yet highly energized state of “meditation,” I projected my primary focus from my body and up to the ceiling of my room, once there I attempted to project myself outside and above my house. Once I felt like I was there, I looked down. I live right next to a little store, and when I looked down, I saw the store, I saw my house and my yard etc. I also saw a gray pick-up truck parked in front of the store. After that I returned my focus back to my body and slowly awakened to normal daily awareness. I did this rather quickly because I wanted to check the success of this little exercise. Of course I didn’t really expect any results and was just using it as a fun way to attempt a new mental feat…. However, upon checking outside, the same pick-up truck that I saw during meditation was parked out front of the store… I was excited and glad for some hard proof for myself ( though to everyone else it is nothing more than anecdotal evidence).
Interesting experience. You should practice that more and try to expand it further. Maybe next time try projecting to a friend or someone you know, then verify whatever you observe with them later.
I’ve been practicing a, what I have labeled “dream meditation” that puts me in a very similar state to the one you described. From what I’ve observed during these sessions, I’ve come to the conclusion that projecting and dreaming are not the same. Dreams feel more like a visualization of the mind, and projections feel more like “leaving” the physical body in a sense. During these meditations I’ll be dreaming per say, but still be very aware of my body, that I’m inside my body. During projections though, all bodily sensation is gone.
On a side note, I recently read about a man who left his everyday life and went on a 2 year meditation retreat in the jungle. Worried about his family, he would check in on them by projecting his consciousness to their location. Not only that, but he was also able to see ghost and spirits during his projections. He always saw them fly up and disappear in to the sky, so one day he followed them up there. He was led to something with a description very similar to heaven and hell – pitch black wave of sorrow and agony, and a white wave of spirits who got whatever they wanted. Then after both of those waves, he got to a point where spirits could continue to move on, but he could not. He then returned to his physical body, having to go back through both of those waves again to get there. The most interesting aspect of it was what the author went into afterwards. Referencing an old myth about why Atlantis was destroyed, being that the Atlanteans got too close to heaven…
It wasn’t an article. I read it in a book called Magus of Java. It was towards the beginning of chapter 8 – Will of Heaven, which starts on page 116.
After skimming the chapter again, that Atlantis reference was told to the author by the man projecting actually.
That is really neat, @drallarnnat! I plan on working on this skill over the summer. I feel the unquenchable urge to seek the “unseekable” questions in life. This urge has built over the last year to an unbearable level. I can’t wait until the semester is over and I can begin!
Keep practicing, sir. You’re doing good.
@monkeyzazu oh wow that is an interesting story indeed. It’s funny you mention dream meditation – I too am practicing dream exercises! Just last night I had a lucid dream, actually! I agree dream work feels much different than the state in meditation, even if the concept of unity is the same…
@alex I know the feeling, sir, I know the feeling… You should definitely practice! It’s such a cool feeling to validate these kind of abilities with personal experience. Good luck!
to me, this sounds like you are capable of re-creating memories to such an extent of being able to go in and around them, i would say that you saw the truck earlier but didnt become aware of it until you recreated the scene in your mind,
what do you think?
I considered that, actually. The meditation was about an hour long, however, and the store is more of a “gas stop” people don’t stay for more than ten minutes. My windows always have shades over them as well, so there was no way to see it unless I had gone down stairs an hour before and caught a glimpse through the windows on the first floor.
However, I suppose that idea cannot be discredited completely.. SO, I will attempt again either today or within the next day or two, I will check out the window before and after, and report back!
You do make a good point though, and that is that when pursuing this kind of proof, it is good to be extra thorough. I’ll note that a few days earlier, with this same technique, I was deep when the phone began to rang. I thought to myself ” That’s obviously my gram.” about ten seconds later a housemate answered the phone and yelled up to me ” It’s your Grandmother!” So, I was less hesitant to believe that this was a successful projection due to past successful experiences of that nature with the same meditation, which SEEMS to bring the meditator to a place where he/she is aware of things commonly ignored by the conscious mind.
honestly,.even if this doesnt pan out to you be able to project, the mental ability you described is still quite incredible, i cannot visualize very well, so i am practicing that mental tool to improve it, and i am doing so bc if you can memorize at the level you are describing, you can learn anything, and use whatever you learn to its highest function bc you can keep all of it in mind at once.
I was thinking the same thing. Regardless of whether it is an extra-sensory feat, the memorization is also an incredible skill. However, based on what I previously said, I believe it to be projection. I will keep you updated. It’s a very busy week, not sure when I will get a chance to attempt it again, but as soon as I do it will be posted on this thread
youve been on my mind and ive been thinking about how to test and some meanderings into my own journey with meditation,
what if the question isnt whether or not you can project, but rather, can you build the mental structure and awareness to be able to,
i think you understand so forgive the elaboration but, the first mindset, in regards to meditation was something i had to overcome, it took a very long time for me to be able to quiet my mind for long periods of time, and i realized at one point that i was getting in my way emotionally by being disappointed each time, even subtly, when i did not achieve what i would call, ‘meditation’.
so this kinda spun me into different versions from all sorts of sources, which i built a mental framework with, that allowed me to meditate,
so my suggestion comes from this idea:
– a piece of paper
– a place you are both familiar and emotionally comfortable with
(1) start the projection process with your nose in a corner direction, away from the bulk of the room
(2) behind you, have you friend place the piece of paper somewhere in this environment. theres no need for him/her to be tricky, just place it on top of somewhere
(3) Visualize intently on the paper in your mind, all of it, ever single molecule\
(4) as you lift out again, find the piece of people in the room
(5) tell your friend where you saw it
(6) repeat even if you fail
this is quite lengthy so i thought id break it up,
once you reach a high accuracy here, this doesnt prove anything. you are an intuitive person in a familiar environment with a person you know, there is a chance that you are can even subtly hear where they set it,
so even now, there is still a probability we are still within the realms of the physical,
so here is Step 2,
everything is the same except you have your friend write a random word on the piece of paper, and your goal is to identify location, and read what is on the paper,
now, the probability of your being able to do this with just your physical senses is very slim, but i guess there is still the possiblity you are perceptive enough to guess the word theyd write,
i dunno, but if you jive with this and test it out, lemme know if you can get to the point of reading the word
In regards to the first half of your post about getting to that place called “meditation:”
The fact that you believe in order to achieve these feats you must reach a new place indicates a fundamentally flawed way of seeing yourself and therefore you are setting yourself up for many more obstacles than are necessary…
In order to successfully expand your own conscious awareness, you must first understand that all these abilities and feats you wish to achieve are presently possible as you are right now. Meditation is not a tool in order to become something more, which is where many people go wrong. Rather, meditation is our natural state of effortless, natural awareness. When we sit down and simply ACCEPT everything without pursuing any thoughts or senses, but simply rest in natural awareness, we break down obstacles that keep our own awareness from expanding. It is not that we need to TRY in order to reach these levels. On the contrary. What we need to do is STOP trying. Obstacles that get in the way of this expansion are: distraction, effort, partiality toward one state of mind or a certain set of stimuli over others, the belief that you are not already complete and capable, and you need meditation in order to get that way…
This is why in my original post I called it meditation “for simplicity’s sake,” because meditation implies a technique, whereas the perfect technique is actually the absence of any technique whatsoever. It is to sit down and simply be. Do not try to manifest or push your awareness out. Do not try to accomplish feats of the mind. Instead, simple be and allow your conscious awareness to naturally expand its focus. To simply be and rest in effortless presence and awareness is the launchpad to all extraordinary abilities. But the motive is not to achieve possess these extraordinary abilities, because then you will be trying to reach something. Instead, the motive is to simply be as you truly are: a naturally awakened, enlightened, complete, full, expanded individual. To simply sit and be is so easy it becomes difficult, and it’s easy to complicate it because we’ve been taught that to become extraordinary, we need to put a lot of work and effort into it, and finally, when we feel we have sacrificed enough, we allow ourselves to finally recognize that which was there all along. This is why spiritual teachers who are already enlightened don’t just say to new students ” just be. you are already an awakened one.” Because who would buy that? ” If I was already awakened, I wouldn’t have come to you. You’re just a con artist, bye.” and so teachers run the students “through the mill” until the student, after years of dedication, comes upon the realization that they were always that which they wished to be, and if they had just allowed themselves to recognize that fact, the years of sacrifice would have been unnecessary. Incidentally, however, the years of sacrifice, for most, IS necessary because to believe we are already all that we wish to be is a very foreign concept, that to be adopted, would require one to change the core of their beliefs, which for some is no easy task.
So how did I reach that state? By not caring if I reached it or not. By being content and fulfilled in the beauty of existence, and simply resting in it as my awareness expanded to its own natural capabilities!
Oh, I thought you were asking for an instructional on how I did it haha! What confuses me is your last paragraph “wasn’t trying to tell you stuff you knew or argue.” I know you weren’t arguing, neither was I. That was an instructional post. Did you interpret the tone of my reply as angry??
no, my intent was to share a thought i had about our convo,
i also do what you do meditation wise, experiment, try different things, so my point was from this context,
i replied the way i did bc it seemed that you gave the method i suggested no consideration, or really took a sec to see where i was in my practice, before you launched into a lengthy reply about how i was going about things wrong,
i dunno, its not a big deal either way, i just wanted to share a test i had been cooking up, i understand if its not something youre going to try.
Oh sorry about that, I drown myself in theory and philosophy sometimes and forget other things. So…
1. I did read your idea for a test. ABSOLUTELY that’s something I am up for trying. Hopefully I will be able to soon and if this thread is dead by then, I will message you with results!
2. I’d be happy to hear about where you are in your practice! The only thing about your practice that I read was the part about you saying you were having TROUBLES with it, hence the instructional response – giving my input. You should try the test out too, and we can both see how it goes!
im not offended at all =) i was just hoping to have a chat with someone so similar, and the response was kinda like, crap, i hope this doesnt become an ego discussion,
and by your answer you show me its not, i appreciate your consideration and promise to show it in kind,
i think i shall =) sounds like you are a bit further along then i am in this area though, got any practice material youd suggest?
currently in my practice i am doing a chakra study and a prana study simultaneously,
where for the chakra i do a 10 min chakra rotation exercise, where i go up the trigger points and down the actual chakras, + an additional sensitive spot at the top back of the head, to warm up my awareness, then a stomach and forhead trigger point to chakra breath concentration,
and for prana i do a series of awareness breathing practices to open it up, prana is new to me,
these are my current focuses, and before these there were various Buddhist, psychology mindfullness, tantric, random guided, meditations ive tried, until i realized of course that trying to learn everything at once wasnt going to be effective, so i narrowed to first a heart chakra mindset to achieve what i want meditation, and the chakra and prana narrowed focuses are to become more aware of my physical body as i descend further out of my head and into reality,
i also do an amazing program called headspace, very nice accumulated idea approach
That sounds like a pretty wholesome practice that sounds like it’s working for you! Our practices couldn’t be more different so it’s interesting to me we are arriving at similar points. You should check out aypsite.org I have a feeling you will like the pranayama, meditation, and other eastern yogic practices they give instruction on
I too had this experience. It’s not like OBO at all. You’re complete aware of your body while all of this is happening. Call me crazy but when I experiencing this… I was saying to myself… is all that is just an illusion created by our minds and we’re all just imagining everything that which we are all linked together? Collective consciousness??
Would that not make US All That Is?? ;D But in all seriousness, I believe everything is illusory in the way that it is all of the mind.. In the way that All springs from pure consciousness.. But also that everything is real because there is nothing MORE REAL than consciousness, as it is the fundamental building block of the universe. So not really then, I suppose, is everything an illusion, but rather, everything is real and the nature of the real is quite different than what we once thought it to be.
Update: I just finished an attempted replication of this. Here’s what happened:
When I was in the correct state of awareness that allowed me to feel my own awareness in a more expanded way, I projected this feeling into the sky, much higher than the previous time. After I projected this feeling of subtle awareness, I attempted to “ride” it to the top, so that my main awareness was then in the place where this feeling was.
I looked down and observed the store. This time I observed a red car, though this time I could also not make out what kind of car it was. Strange.
I immediately came back to my regular state of consciousness and checked to see if I had been right. Sure enough, a red car…
This time I had not looked out the window for over forty minutes, AND, when I had last seen the store, it was a gray/black sedan parked in front…
I am still not counting this as absolute proof for myself because two times could still be a coincidence, however unlikely… So far, I have tried twice and have succeeded twice, however, if on the third attempt, it does not work, I will be very wary to attribute this to extrasensory abilities and will have to conduct much more thorough investigations.