Supplements!

 JonH (@IJesusChrist) 7 years, 9 months ago

I would hope for this to be a professional thread.

Please discuss in an organized fashion what supplements you have taken and which have given results. Please take in mind placebo. Please! The placebo is very strong with all of us.

I am going to be doing some trials with 5-HTP and Pramiracetam both with and without MDMA.

I have already done extensive work with pramiracetam (and other racetams) and concluded that they are mostly useful in blood flow to the brain, and opening channels for greater bio-availability of psycho-active compounds. By themselves, I have concluded that their beneficial effects that can be /felt/ are short lived, lasting no longer than one hour, or if prolonged absence from taking it (sober period), the duration of psychoactive effects can be up to 2 hours.

What is to follow will be an extensive study on 5-HTP and Pramiracetam. Stay tuned.

January 2, 2014 at 5:18 pm
rock_zaozz (20) (@rockzaozz) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist I just take 1g krill oil Daily , since i started taking fish oil i see some improvements in overral health , especially mood , sometimes i take some l-theanine for deep meditation or lucid dreaming, l-theanine is an aminoacid found in some teas and mushroom (especially matcha) that promote/induce alpha waves in the brain , I really recommend you look into http://www.longecity.org/forum/forum/169-brain-health/ , these guys of the community are obsessed with cognitive enhancement and nootropics , I recommend these threads to read:

Best Longecity Threads
1. Mr. Happy’s Uridine Stack…check out the first post http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/51802-gpc-choline-uridine-dha/
2. Abelard’s CILTEP Thread (as you already mentioned) http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/51732-chemically-induced-ltp/http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/51732-chemically-induced-ltp/
3. Noopmed’s Reflections from a Med Student Thread http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/58410-reflections-from-a-med-student/
4.-http://www.longecity.org/forum/user/11887-lostfalco/
Be careful with taking drugs and do youre research because you dont know if is good for youre brain in long-term , and if u can change the brain-chemistry or the brain.

Regards

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Cody (472) (@versai) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

What I understand is meditation’s goal is to move away from high-stress, high frequency waves like alpha and beta, into deeper, slower frequency waves like delta and theta. How does a supplement that promotes alpha waves supposed to help meditation? How does it work? Brainwaves seem more behavioral than chemical, what affect is it having chemically to enhance the brain waves?

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Dude (6) (@classyandhappy) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I’m not quite good with the chemicals of those supplements, and the fact that i have to answer in english and not in french doesn’t help, but here are my feedbacks on the supplements i took :

HEALTH –

Greens (over 60 types of land, cruciferous and sea vegetables + super green foods) : More energy throught the day after 2 weeks of use. A must. Alkaline, so really helpful for the body to be less acid (good for pineal gland detox for example)
Vitamin D3 : no cold so far, yet lass winter i’ve had 3 at this point of the month without d3.
Calcium : Helpful if non-diary dieting. Just avoid the carbonate form. Knowing that calcium in milk is not totally absorbed, i guess it helped my teeth and bones resistance.
Omega 3 : better concentration, increase in muscle mass gain (see physical), less depressed.
Multi-Vitamin : Helped synthetised all those above (and those in the physical paragraph)

PHYSICAL –

Protein : Useful only if combined with simple carbohydrates. If so, increase in muscle mass gain.
Carbohydrates : Increase in muscle mass gain. Increase in water weight too.
Creatine : Over rated. Performance increase however. Long term effects not quite desirable.
Arginine : Increase in blood flow, more nutrients taken to the muscles (and probably brain)

NOT SURE WHICH CATEGORY –

Maca Roots : increase in libido and energy throught the day. Really effective. Last longer in bed. I say the placebo effect in this one is quite strong however.
Ephedrine HCL : Palpitations, more talkative, better respiration, light head.

I think thats all, cya :)

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Cody (472) (@versai) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Being more alkaline reduces pineal toxicity? How’s that? The only threat to the pineal that I’ve heard of is calcification from sodium fluoride which is a basic chemical (alkaline). So It would seem that you would want a more acidic body chemistry if trying to neutralize any calcification.

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

The alkalinity thing is pseudo-science. Its not based on anything. I think it started when someone read that cancer cells are acidic in comparison to normal cells.

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Dude (6) (@classyandhappy) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

well i think @ijesuschrist is true, i personnaly don’t really have much details about that, only the information i delivered to you. However, the body is not made to work in an acidic environment, so i guess the pineal gland too is made to work efficiently in a more basic environment. Knowing that the normal american diet is more acidic than basic, i guess that’s where alkaline food and nutrients, such as greens, comes for. However, knowing if these hypothetical assumptions are true is something i can’t prove.

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Dude (6) (@classyandhappy) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

oh and @versai, i think that the pineal gland calcification due to the sodium fluoride is not caused by the basicity or the acidity of the fluoride itself, but from the deposit it makes in our organism, the sediments it can’t metabolize and, therfore, are stuck in our bodies. They get fixed to the pineal gland for some reason that i don’t seem to know.

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Whey protein and creatine.

Whey protein is perfect for a quick source of protein for me immediately after working out or after high intensity intervals/sprints.

Creatine increases energy output in short bursts. I notice it when I’m sprinting during football (American football). It has allowed me to maintain the same level of intensity even after 2+ hours of constant sprints and running. It also seems to shorten the needed recovery time of my muscles after weight training.

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Dude (6) (@classyandhappy) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

you’re right about creatine my bro. Which kind do you take, mono, hcl, alkaline, etc.?

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Yep just creatine mono. This is the exact jar I have right now: http://i.imgur.com/6xLyrnh.jpg

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Dude (6) (@classyandhappy) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

man i love dymatize. but mono is believed to give more water retention than hcl, which can interfere with your football moves.. i guess ahaha, i just wanna help :) if you’re feeling puffy, that’s it, if not, then the myths are false!

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Yeah it’s funny cuz I always heard that too, but honestly I haven’t gained any water weight at all. I thought it might make me less lean or less toned, but that hasn’t happened at all. I think it really depends on how active you are. I burn a shitload of calories doing high intensity sprints every week for football, whereas a lot of people taking creatine are using it solely for weight training. I think that “puffiness” look may be more noticeable in people who don’t do much cardio. That’s my guess. But yeah honestly I haven’t noticed any puffiness at all personally.

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Dude (6) (@classyandhappy) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

well that’s interesting, i’ve never tried mono because of that side-effect. i guess i shall give it a shot then
Sure if you’re burning lots of calories and sweating a lot, i guess it could decrease your water weight. And do you drink lot’s of water? if so, i’ve heard that water retention due to creatine could be avoided by drinking enough water so that might be it. anywayz, thats for that little feedback of creatine mono, it was helpful for me :)

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Funny you ask that – I seriously drink about a gallon of water a day. I go to the supermarket down the road from me and buy gallon refills of water. No fluoride and no sodium. It’s awesome. So yeah, the fact that I drink a lot of water may have something to do with it too. Also, I found a rather insightful comment from a creatine user on one of the reviews for Dymatize creatine. Here was his comment: “Creatine is bastardized for giving a “bloat”. In my experience, the bloat is barely noticeable and should only be a concern for a female, or a male trying to attain a “denser” leaner look immediately before competition. If you are not one of those two types of people than you have no reason not to give creatine a try. It will become a staple of your supplement stack. The bloat does not make you look fat, or make your six pack go away. It just makes your muscles look larger. From my experience, size gains will be come easier while on creatine since your muscles will be stretched out a bit because the creatine causes them to hold a bit more water, and this can promote hypertrophy. All and all, if you are young male trying to gain size you would be silly not to use creatine.”

So if I’ve gained any water, it’s likely within the muscle cells, which would explain why I haven’t noticed any puffiness or decrease in muscle tone/definition.

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Dude (6) (@classyandhappy) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

then i guess that ”increase” in water retention could only be negative if you’re under 8 percent of bodyfat and considering a competition, which is not my case and doesn’t seem to be your’s. I’ve been buying hcl for two years and honestly didn’t think that tonight i’ll find the informations that’ll make me change from hcl to mono. Me, and my budget, thank you mate :)

oh and creatine does increase your performance, you have more energy to provide at the moment (it’s called ATP) so for your sprints, it’s 100% what you need. And increasing your energy might grant you the strenght to push 1 or 2 more rep, or put 2 kg more on the bench, which will stretch more the muscle and therefore help in hyperthrophy. Anywayz.

thanks :)

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

My pleasure sir. Thanks for the info as well. Good lookin out!

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

How do you know there is no fluoride?

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Luis (63) (@luisfabian) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Interesting. What are your goals/achievements that you wish to fulfill with these studies?

As far as supplements go

30 grams of protein intake in the AM followed by a “PAGG” stack and regular hydration. I recently added B-12 into the mix. Still no conclusive results.

P-olicosanol
A-lpha-Lipoic Acid
G-reen Tea Extract
G-arlic Extract

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I started into it with the idea of pursuing neurogenesis and synaptogenesis (thats where the racetams came in). Following that I heard about Lion’s mane mushroom increasing neurogenesis, however real evidence is slim.

I have noticed a difference in memory recall with Lion’s mane, Fish oil (4g+), and pramiracetam daily.

After chasing this for a while I get tired of only slight results. Now I’m after reducing the damage caused by other things; alcohol and amphetamines.

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Cody (472) (@versai) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

“Now I’m after reducing the damage caused by other things; alcohol and amphetamines.”

reducing the damage of amphetamines by taking MDMA?

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

No reducing the damage caused by taking MDMA. MDMA is said amphetamine.

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Joseph (114) (@warriors41) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I have experience with a 5-HTP supplement called New Mood by Onnit. It also has L-Tryptophan in it which apparently gets converted into melatonin. What it did to me was make me feel very relaxed in a strange way. Normally when I would lie down to sleep my body feels tense and my mind is in a race. However with this supplement I could more easily let go of my body and let my mind race off into the void of sleep. It felt really good and not placebo. That was like a year ago and i’ve not felt like i’ve needed it more.

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Cody (472) (@versai) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I don’t have any direct experience to offer but I found this site and think it’s a better resource than anything I’d have to say anyway:

Examine.com

“We are an independent organization that presents un-biased research on supplements and nutrition. We currently have over 25000 references to scientific papers.”

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Awesome, this is what I need.

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Fishoil is incredibly good for the kidneys. My kidney doctor prescribed me 12 grams of it a day, surprisingly my chronic disease disappeared. No one really knows how, though, but the fish oil doesn’t have any negative effects, so I continue to take it.

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