Tell me your thoughts on the Illuminati and the NWO (Not the OWO)

 MarkII (@mwinship13)6 years, 7 months ago
Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

There are rumored to be several of these elite, powerful, secret organizations in the world in charge of world events, the world economy… Even (though its often painted as mainstream in the media now) the Council on Foreign Relations is one of them. Then you have other groups in the US like the Skull and Bones society of which both presidents Clinton and Bush sr. were members…

A good book on all of this is Rule by Secrecy:

http://www.amazon.com/Rule-Secrecy-Trilateral-Commission-Freemasons/dp/0060931841/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1414259236&sr=1-1&keywords=rule+by+secrecy+by+jim+marrs

I rank all these groups along with the Illuminati up there along with secret military departments researching salvaged UFOs (like the secret facilities at Wright Patterson).

That is, I think they are real, their intentions are real, but their reach is exaggerated.

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

I live 30 miles from Wright-Patt and I’ve seen a few ufos but I have no way of knowing if they were related. I’ve never heard anything about Wright-Patt locally but I’ve seen it mentioned on youtube regarding weird stuff.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

Wright Patterson is where the US had done all its reverse engineering of captured aircraft from other nations such as Russia, back since before the Cold War… There is also a very active command structure there that monitors and chases away “unidentified aircraft” that buz the base almost routinely… A good book about this is the recently published: “Inside Area 51”

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

You’ve been here for a long time right? Why not go to one of the many illuminati threads to post a link?

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

Here is where I stand on this topic, and it’s far from where I used to:

The human mind has an innate tendency to ascribe order to everything. We have a natural desire to WANT to make sense of the world. Some people have a very hard time accepting that things are random and coincidental.

I used to believe the NWO was real, and indeed there are many convincing theories out there that make sense as to why it might be. One can easily come up with many reasons and make it seem VERY convincing that such a group exists.

However, over the course of the last 5 years, I’ve learned 1 thing for certain…..and that is that there’s no proof either way. I’ve watched countless YouTube videos, read countless articles and websites, and each time they fail to provide concrete proof of any of their claims. So it falls on faith, which requires you to believe in it.

What it REALLY and TRULY comes down to is your belief system. You either believe everything is a coincidence, or nothing is a coincidence. And which of those beliefs you subscribe to depends entirely on your belief system as a whole, which depends entirely on how you process the world.

I can make a very convincing case for an Illuminati, and I can also make a very convincing case against it.

Like I said, at the end of the day, it’s about your belief system. I used to be 100% into conspiracy theories and I believed in the Illuminati and the NWO. The thing is, conspiracy theorists are very quick to label non-conspiracy theorists as “sheep with their heads in the sand.” However, what these people don’t realize is that believing everything is a lie and a conspiracy is just as dangerous and stupid as believing the opposite. The trick is to find a balance. The stronger you adhere to a belief, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, and that’s the problem I have with conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists in general.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

The one big caveat for me in this whole debate is when these secretive organizations are ascribed to the government. I find the government is pretty incompetent at routine tasks (and the military as well – that’s why they build so much redundancy into their actions – for instance, during a nuclear war, we have over 100 missiles and bombs targeted on Moscow alone, in case the first one doesn’t do the job, or the 67th one, or the 89th one…)

So I think at some level, some or most of these organizations are real. I just doubt their reach is as far as they’d like it to be…

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MarkII (71) (@mwinship13) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

None of you looked at the link I posted, did you? :) lol

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Dimitrios (5) (@EarthLover) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

Well, I actually did…

I don’t really believe that this a reporter interviwed a member of the Illuminati,because you know not only this seems somehow untrue and fictional, but also if he/she really did, then the answers of the Illuminatus are rather deceiving.

I say that for a reason: It is said somewhere in that site that the Illuminati existed from the ancient years and they created many secret orders and brotherhoods such as the Ancient Greek Mysteries(Kabeiria & Eleusinia),the Knights Templar and Masons.Now if an individual(not a member of these orders) posses some in-depth knowledge on at least one of the previously mentioned orders he realizes that the Illuminatus’ words are deceiptful and untrue

You can also search by yourself about these things, but be careful not to turn paranoid.

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

Ok so that’s actually crazy. I did read it. What’s crazy is that I have actually come to the same conclusions, on my own, about the god of religions being a false god and the ultimate deception.

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

I did, and whoever wrote it is very creative. I could just as easily create a webpage and do the same thing, and so could many others. Kudos to the writer for his creativity.

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Callum Bell (0) (@CallumBell) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

“The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy or the grey aliens or the 12 foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control. The truth is more frightening, nobody is in control. The world is rudderless.”

Alan Moore

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Peter (116) (@Gismo) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

I second that!

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

But that isn’t frightening, is it? Why would it be?
It’s really awesome.

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Callum Bell (0) (@CallumBell) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

I prefer it being that way too, but I guess some of us wish for more order and more of a sense of importance within the universe.

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Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

This organization is extremely clever, they aren’t going to let anyone but the absolute best know their secrets.

There are several things in this interview which are true, several which are red herrings meant to confuse and distort their message.

The Illuminati themselves create false leads, some of which are alluded to in this interview.

I’m not going to say anything more.

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

As someone else quoted in this thread: “The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy or the grey aliens or the 12 foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control. The truth is more frightening, nobody is in control. The world is rudderless.”

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Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

I don’t think anyone except the truly paranoid denies the existence of chaos including the Illuminati.

However, just because there is chaos does not mean there isn’t Truth.

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

Truth is subjective, and that’s the problem with wholeheartedly believing in the Illuminati. It’s fine to believe in possibilities, but to believe in absolutes regarding a subject which has no verifiable or first-hand evidence is just unwise.

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Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

I don’t think its subjective to assert that there is in fact a group that exists called the Illuminati.

They do exist, they don’t control everything like certain conspiracy theorists suggest.

That site is legitimate to some degree even if the degree is that the person who made it up is extremely well versed in philosophy and world history. I think it makes more sense to claim “Mike Hockney” (creator of the site) is a member of the Illuminati, a secret society which has existed since the time of Pythagoras, than suggesting he’s an incredibly wise crack-pot pulling everyone’s leg.

The Illuminati know a few secrets that the rest of the world doesn’t know. They don’t know everything, and I have my doubts they even know as much as certain independent thinkers of the past century.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

theyre all just kickin back in their space ships smokin on the finest cosmo chronic aside raptor companions.

https://soundcloud.com/drumstep/dr-ozi-triple-6-edmcom-exclusive

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Anonymous (12) (@) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

They originated as the Knights Templar who were the entrusted order who set up international banking as we know it. They did this by way of setting up secured stops all along the road between Europe and the holy lands so that travelers would be able to secure their valuables, or money and they wished to take on their journey. This way a knight was able to ride forward with the updated bank roll and counts to other stops along the way and that a traveler didnt have to run the risk of getting robbed along the way and instead could pick up what they needed at each stop. This practice made the knights order very prosperous and caused a falling out between the knights and their command being the king, emperor and pope. A decent amount of time had passed since the falling out and eventually the king and pope extended a noble offer for the knights to come make bygones be bygones so that the group could once again partner. So convincing was this offer that the top knights of the order along side the grand master Jack De Molay were sold on the idea of this forgiveness feast. And so In a dawn raid on Friday, 13 October 1307, a Friday, De Molay and sixty of his Templar brothers were arrested, charged with heresy and many other trumped-up charges, and then burned at the stake, tortured and publicly humiliated until damn near every knight had been extinguished. From this point on the knights would go under cover, never to publicly dawn their true presence again. It is this group that would eventually become what is the Illuminati. Sub arms and states of this group would rise to design what we know today as the free masons. However there is one major caveat that much of the world today is completely in the dark about. That these knights were the most trusted of all orders the earth had ever seen and still to this day have seen. They coveted and guarded the most prized relics of humanity’s history including but no way limited to the holy grail itself. The caveat is in the fact that those rich, dynastic bloodlines of the early kingship and popehood that took out those knights so long ago are actually the true illuminati of today. And what this group did was upn executing any and all of their evil deeds they made sure and still make sure to this day that their acts are branded to display to the world that it is the Illuminati at the helm of such evil work, when indeed it is not the knights but rather they themselves who are the true Illuminati. So in a nutshell, the rich dynasties of ancient times perform all this wickedness, and then they brand those acts in the name of the Illuminati.

NOTE: it was from this awful act that the king and pope committed on that infamous Friday the 13th that would become the initial branding of the number 13 as being so evil and unlucky, in combination with the day of Friday as an extension of all such misfortunes. The knights for obvious reason did the right thing by going under ground following 1307 and to this day remain in the shadows as indeed the true, good bringers of the light.

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Anonymous (12) (@) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

p.s. I probably shouldn’t say this but fuck it. Last year I was personally invited by a certain source in Italy to make a trip there, where upon my choosing from any of the great churches there would be given the choice to become knighted. While many may think this would be something of an incredible opportunity I to this day have stood down on the offer and still currently have no plans of executing the trip. I am proud and humbled by the offer but I am dedicated to an order that places us all as equals. And as much as my ego would love to do this if not for the sheer ritual experience I am afraid will always turn it down. I just don’t believe in a good ole boys group, of any kind, of any sort. Especially one without the ability for a divine feminine to enter. It just wont happen.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

Humans really like personifying archetypes and concepts.

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Anonymous (12) (@) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

They do Alex, and this stems back further than our recorded history. Just as Eli placed it, people long for this, “comfort factor” that is both comforting and more importantly allotting for them to feel good and NOT HAVE TO LOOK AT THEMSELVES! One of my favorite examples of recent personification comes from the Christmas/Christ story. Let me share it with you all:

Each year the planet goes through precession, that is to say a change in the rotational axis of the planet. The two most primary points or procession seem to be the summer and winter solstices; moments in procession when the sun has gotten to the highest point (summer) and the lowest point (winter) of axis. Of these two points the winter solstice is indeed the more incredible. The reason I say this is because each year on December 21st, the day of the winter solstice, the sun comes to its lowest point on the axis. And if one is to use a telescope to observe the sun on the 21st they would see that this indeed is the case. So on the next day of December 22nd one would think that they would see the sun now begin its accent northerly towards spring, summer and a higher axis point. But instead of moving up the sun neither appears to move up or down and hence it stays in its same position. On the next day of the 23rd one would expect that the sun would begin its northerly accent, but again the sun appears to neither move up or down in its axis. Now becoming a bit concerned one would think the sun MUST begin to move northerly on the 24th of December, but again it stays its course and neither appears to move up or down. Even more concerned we begin to observe the sun on the 25th of December and BLAM! The sun indeed is seen to move .5 to 1.0 degree northerly and hence begins its accent towards summer. AND SO IT HAS BEEN SAID, “THE SUN DIED, WAS DEAD FOR 3 DAYS, ONLY TO RISE IN RESURRECTION AND SPRING FORTH TO BRING LIGHT, ABUNDANCE AND LIFE!”

So now let me ask you, is it “SUN” or is it, “SON”? :) And which one came first?

I have often enjoyed taking elements from the bible, like for instance from the psalms area, and substitute the word SON with the word SUN. And as you shall see if you do this that indeed it is retro configurable and makes a perfect match. :)

Ode to the truths!

Be Brave in the hunt for Truth, Be powerful in the act of Goodness. For it is these two attributes that shall bring you closer to paradise.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

There’s plenty of conspiracies in this world.
There are illuminates.
There are plans for new world orders.

But they are not all one and the same. And they don’t all want the same things.
What is the nwo? That depends who you ask. Because there’s a whole bunch of international organisations trying to impose their ideals on the world. They don’t all share the same agendas.

Illuminati literally means the enlightened ones. They’re a cult of fanatics. Just like any other spiritual doctrine, they believe they possess a great truth, that they must redirect the world according to their faith. Insanity, philosophy or hubris, whatever is behind their creed is simply human confusion.
Well, there are plenty of cults who call themselves the illuminati. Just like there are plenty of cults who call themselves masons, grey monks, golden dawn, rudra yogi, rosicrucians, etc. Even though they’re vastly different.

Mighty people don’t worship money (mammon) or violence (asmodeus). That’s the kind of dumb notion that only a slaven soul can muster up. Mighty people recognise money and power for what it is, a means to an end. But many of them gain all their money and power by tricking the feeble into worshipping these things.

The whole conundrum about these phenomena stems from one thing, people’s ignorance and fear. Most of all, probably, people’s fear of facing themselves. There is no notch carved out just for you, or me, or anyone else. What you do with your life is up to you, what the mighty achieve was their own doing and not just some gift that made them better off than you.

Humans don’t understand the order of this world, because it scares people. So they try to create all sorts of other, inferior human orders to hide from reality.
The world was never the problem. Only corrupt people are a problem.

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Anonymous (12) (@) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

Kudos Eli and SALUTE! This is the best thing I have seen you write and share yet and it is pure utter truth. Carry on, carry on!

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