The Color wheel – A lot deeper then I had imagined

 SpiralOut (@spiralout1)9 years, 5 months ago

There are three primary colors. Mixing any two of the three colors creates a secondary color. So there are three possible secondary colors because there are only three possible combinations. Now within the secondary colors we get a ratio of the original primaries involved. (ie. 50% Red 50% Blue). 50/50 would be a secondary color because it’s purely both primary colors. Something like 30% Red 70% Blue, is called a tertiary. If you can imagine there are endless ratio’s to tertiary colors. This is where all division of colors exist.

Why am I saying all this? Why is it important? Well when you think about the order of the universe it becomes more interesting. If you can imagine, all order becomes more and more complex as we evolve. From the order of planets in motion the order of organisms were created, within the order of organisms, we have the order of an ecosystem, within the ecosystem, we now have technology. We can see the transition from simple to complex. We can imagine a simple order acting as the primary orders. Anything else is just a division of the original.

So looking at color theory, we could say that in our universe 3 may be be the most important number. For it’s the original source of all division of order in the universe. This may be why the triangle (three sides) is seen as ultimate power (illuminati). This is why, when we see a color wheel, the mix of primary, secondary, and tertiary on a wheel, equal to 12. 12 Zodiacs. This is why in an important speech, the speaker uses the power of three.

If there is good and bad. Black and white. Two forces that always compete, then the third force is the whole in which the two exist.

These are all new thoughts to me, so please add to it, or criticize it, I just wanna hear your thoughts.

February 6, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

3rd Planet by Modest Mouse just became that much more awesome thanks to this post!

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Peter (152) (@searchingforthetruth) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

Really cool post, I like the number 3 and the thought beyond complexity and evolution.

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This crosses the line into hippy shit.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

Hey man, the hippies saved science. :)

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SpiralOut (52) (@spiralout1) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@alex, yes! I bet Issac Brock was looking at a color wheel when he wrote it

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Joseph (114) (@warriors41) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

The colour “wheel” is wrong according to the electromagnetic spectrum. With light it’s Red Green Blue. Yellow is in between red and green. http://asmartbear.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/RGB-wheel1.jpeg

However with paints and stuff it’s different. It’s subtractive not additive. Taking yellow and mixing with blue will subtract the red, and you’ll have green. The pic you put is useful for painters

I prefer to think of the universe in the Light/rainbow/electromagnetic spectrum way. When you add all three you get a pure white light
http://www.digital-photography-school.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Additive-Colour.jpeg

An even more puzzling phenomenon is the existence of Magenta. :O

One more pic, talking about complexity and stuff. This one looks a bit like the pic you posted. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Hyperb_icosahedral_hc.png

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Cody (472) (@versai) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

what’s with the web design ad?

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Sea Monkey (2) (@seamonkey) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

Lol @ the ad, some websites adds snippets of code to your clipboard when you copy text from it

Edit: in this case, the website does not allow direct picture linking

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Kayla (28) (@tangerinesky624) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@spiral out i really enjoyed just reading this post. a little bit mind blowing for me.

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Journe (0) (@journe) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

wow! that’s so creative; it’s hard to wrap my head entirely around it without considerable mental effort. :)
so, a bit of clarification to make sense of this in my brain: are you equating the tertiary colors with the whole in which all division occurs? the tertiary encompass the primary and secondary, as the whole encompasses opposites? and within the tertiary realm, there are seemingly endless possibilities for division/rationing among the primary colors…?
that makes pretty good sense if you imagine the colors on the wheel continually duplicating. everything in the world moves from simple to complex, according to the evolutionists out there. one-celled organisms evolved into what we are today. we are continually becoming more adapted to our world. this theory might even be applicable to some culture theory. common ideology about culture and society are that we are constantly progressing… you can find in economic theory, political theory, and even some religious theory. although, i’d have to ask- progressing toward what? is there really an end destination?
we’ll have to keep our eye on that color wheel. ;)

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Sea Monkey (2) (@seamonkey) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

as Joseph said… That color wheel from the original post is a color wheel for paint. It was designed as a reference by humans for humans. It is mostly used as a guide to mix paint and categorize colors. It has absolutely nothing to do with the higher order of the universe.

Color is actually pretty linear – each visible frequency of the electromagnetic spectrum is assigned a different color by the brain. Take a look at this picture, and you will get a better idea.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070314234606/uncyclopedia/images/f/fc/Electromagnetic_spectrum_US_customary.png

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stonedragon (143) (@stonedragon21) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

this is so interesting for an artist like me. i am going to include this in my next painting which im planning of the gordian knot done in these rainbow colors.

i love the color wheel and use it all the time when i paint. the colors opposite eachother mixed toghtere make neutral or browns. it is funny that if you mix for example red and a touch of green, it calms the red down.
in that way a bit of your opposite calms you down.

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Alec (12) (@alec7) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

Our visible light spectrum is a range and is understood to exist there because of evolutionary circumstances. Different animals have developed different spectrums. I don’t think it’s fair to use a relative scale applied to the human light spectrum to describe the order of the universe.

You can take any linear scale, divide it into 3 parts, and relate it to itself. You mentioned the three primary foundations as simple, complex, and everything in between. Well if the universe is infinite, it must have a definition, or order, that goes beyond a relative scale.

How about this. The most infinitely simple thing imaginable is nothing. The most infinitely complex thing imaginable is everything. So the definition of the universe would be a scale ‘from nothing to everything, or everything to nothing’ To try and fundamentally define it beyond that would be describing it relative to itself, like using the word in the definition.

Everything in our human experience can be traced back as relative to that scale. Numbers especially, you can have 0, infinity, or something in between. We decided to create numbers to analyze the in between. The number 1 says we are creating a bounded region in an unbounded system. The number 2 then implies we double the bounded region. The ‘bounded region’ is always relative, though, and must have a reference point for understanding. Dollars, inches, cars. There is no absolute, 1.

This further shows how any definition of an infinite universe cannot go beyond ‘from nothing to everything’ or it would no longer be absolute.

The relativity in-between is what makes life interesting.

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stonedragon (143) (@stonedragon21) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

this is true of colors as well. if we mix tiny amounts of colors into each other we have an infinite possiblity of colors. or tones. infinite! it is like that for numbers as well. in between the numbers are tiny little specks an infinite amount of them….. this goes all the way to nothingness… and even that has tiny specks in it. ..

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SpiralOut (52) (@spiralout1) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@alec that’s a really good point about how it’s only relative to humans. However the structure was really the point I was going for.

0 can’t evolve. 1 Can’t evolve. 2 has two opposing forces to work with but eventually can’t evolve. 3 opens up the possibility for division. From 3 an endless amount of combinations can exist.

But then what existed before the 3? Another complex evolution that started with 3. Maybe that’s why a perfect circle can be drawn around a triangle touching all points, because of our cyclic existence?

But it’s official, this is the most abstract thing I’ve described in my life. Still my money is on 3

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stonedragon (143) (@stonedragon21) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

spiral out, it is true what you say about the trilogy but imagine all the tiny infintie amounts of points inbetween the one two and three. it is all very abstract this, and illusionary. good for full moon contemplation tonite.

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stonedragon (143) (@stonedragon21) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

hello there spiral out. i want to thank you for this great post. it has inspired me to do a painting. when it is done i will photo it and put it up. tis about the number three,and the spectrum of light that was also so kindly posted up by the sea monkey.
. im quite into painting symbols. this one is the GORDIAN KNOT. do you know it.
the idea uses colors with paint, which are on the first chart, but which symbolize the light ray spectrum . hard to explain, i show you later.
gracias!

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stonedragon (143) (@stonedragon21) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

for me this is what im totally into tonite. check out that spectrum that sea moneky put up. imagine that we can paint light! mind boggling. but im trying to do that just now. in the form of a gordian knot, in oil paint on a big canvas. it is a trip!

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stonedragon (143) (@stonedragon21) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

for me this is what im totally into tonite. check out that spectrum that sea moneky put up. imagine that we can paint light! mind boggling. but im trying to do that just now. in the form of a gordian knot, in oil paint on a big canvas. it is a trip!

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

Something to think about, aside from total bullshit of relating color to the illuminati, is that the color wheel is a circle – it is complete. It perfectly blends from red to violet and back to red.

What this indicates is that these are the only colors available. That seeing additional wavelengths of light would result in not additional colors, but simply red extending on to a new wavelength.

This is incredibly interesting because colors are one of the most obvious identifiable things that simply don’t exist. You cannot find and hold the color red. You can hold something that gives off a 700+nm wavelength, but where is red? Does red exist outside of your consciousness? No.

So its very interesting to me that consciousness has a spectrum of colors that is ‘complete’ for a finite number of wavelengths – ~400-800nm. Beyond this range would probably not bring about new colors, but rather append new wavelengths to already existing colors perceived by us.

Some people who have taken high amounts of psychedelics would disagree and say they have seen new colors. For that I can’t comment for I’ve never had the experience. Reason tells me, though, that the ‘new colors’ perceived are actually old colors given new meaning and feeling. Thus they ‘feel new’ even though the color seen is nothing out of the ordinary.

Just as seeing your life for the first time on psychedelics isn’t actually seeing anything NEW just seeing it from a different vantage point.

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Alruble (10) (@Alruble) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

Just as an octave works, A C1 is the same sort of pitch as a C2, but they are not identical. They are distinct enough to be separated in our mind. Perhaps perceiving the lower and higher lengths of light would simply invoke something similar in our brain. We would see what we might normally perceive as Red as a sort of Red2. It is weird to think about.

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i4c1m2b (70) (@i4CiM2B) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

Only to suggest that in reference to the two competing forces, that the third force is the compromise created through the give and take between the other two.

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emptyminded (68) (@thoughtless) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

nice, did you self deduce this? if yes, you are awsome!! as for me i had to read to gain such knowledge, the triangle represents the 3 fold nature in the universe and in man (valuator of the universe).

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

The colour wheel is another one of those little illusions.

See, the colours we can see all exist within a certain frequency range of light. There are frequencies above and below what we can see. As in unseen colours.
What we consider the three primary colours, they just line up like that due to how our bodies perceive light, it’s quite arbitrary really.

Same goes for this numerology stuff, the coincidences line up due to human perception. The universe wasn’t made by humans, wasn’t made for humans. What we perceive is a heavily filtered and distorted version of what’s really going on.
And what we then do to our perception by thinking, well that’s a crapton of further warping and mangling.
The end result is a delusive belief, detached from reality.

The human experience is a tiny speck in a vast universe.

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