The "elite"

YHVH (@spaceghost) 8 years, 8 months ago

I don’t see the topic brought up much here. What does everyone think about the nameless elite and the new world order? Are they trying to restore Atlantis? Is it Lucifer winning the battle? Is it the masculine perception dominating? I have a feeling it’s all of that and much more.

March 28, 2013 at 12:52 pm
TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@spaceghost, I feel that talking about the elite doesn’t do much good, and usually just makes me feel a whole lot worse. I used to complain about them all the time, I used to curse them out going through the whole dictionary of vulgarities, and I’d stew about them all day. And at the end of the day my life remained the same, I got nowhere.

Now, I think the only way to beat the elite is to not think about them at all and just focus on maximizing your own life. Be conscious of what you allow into your life, don’t fall for the elite’s tricks like fast, cheap pleasure (junk food, smokes, bad tv shows, bad music, etc), don’t sign up to fight in their armies, don’t do crime and go to their jails, get out of their workplaces as quickly as you can, and just live your life, make yourself into someone you can enjoy and respect. That’s my elite-beating plan.

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Sara111 (49) (@sarad) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

What do we think of the elite ….well lets see what they’ve done lately…. SIGN the MONSANTO PROTECTION ACT. Answering you question of what I think of them … I think they are destroyers of humanity, greedy and much too powerful for their own good.

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the.kiid.olw (23) (@kiidishsounds) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@spaceghost man, i’ve been thinking about this a lot. they’re definitely making some covert moves but does that even matter? leave the conspiracy theories behind for the people who don’t know better. whatever happens WILL happen. nothing you do can change that. it’s our duty to be in a position to deal with it when it does.

i believe that @theskafish is not far off when he says to forget them and focus on yourself. but where i differ in opinion, is that you will EVENTUALLY have to act if you ever hope to change anything. atlantis/ lucifer/ ect – nothing they do matters until they’re in your home taking you away from everything you love. they’re no fun to live under, that’s for sure, but while we have this time to explore and create, it’s imperative to get yourself right before you do anything else. and after you achieve this, it’s anybody’s game. i fully support and act upon the idea that you have to find a strength and willpower within yourself to stay cohesive with the universal truth and only after this is acquired,
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join up with the elite. observe them. study them. become them. and once you’re there you will find other’s with similar intentions – one way or another. i have full faith in this: act upon your intuition and correct their mistakes.

i know a fair amount of people that have taken this approach (minus the full self-realization) and many have lost their way as they journey into this new and exciting (cause it IS exciting) world. some have not made it in, period. but the few who come out on the other end will make history…

also, i’ve heard that a comet is supposed to be coming prescribing an ancient flux in society and the ruling elite. i wish i could tell you if this was true but it’s, at the very least, something to think about.

my personal philosophy is to find yourself, know yourself, put yourself in a position to make change (however you believe it will happen), and if/when the time comes. act.

if that doesn’t sound like you, get off the grid and study under @theskafish cause it’s sounding like he’ll be living a good life no matter what ; )

onelove

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@kiidishsounds, “if that doesn’t sound like you, get off the grid and study under @theskafish cause it’s sounding like he’ll be living a good life no matter what ; )”

uh, thanks for your vote of confidence in me :) but i’m still a padawan learner myself. all i’m saying is that my views on a great deal of things have changed for the better, thanks to some people on this site. And that no good comes from complaining, especially if you are young, have all 5 senses, an able body, brain, and mind, and are not being hurt by the elite directly. I have tried the route of complaining and seen that it is a dead end just as surely as just working and living for dopamine highs like most people do is also a dead end. Why do what you know doesn’t work?

Also, you can control the contents of your mind. Think about what you want to think about. Don’t think about the people and things that you don’t.

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the.kiid.olw (23) (@kiidishsounds) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@theskafish

maan, it takes experience to know error and your comment was showing you’ve been there at one point or another. padawan or not, my personal feelings are that you’ve got the right idea not to get hung up on the bullshit and to live for what is good. can’t go wrong with what’s right, ehh?

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

we are the elite. the machine, is the machine.

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Anonymous (328) (@) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@spaceghost, I see it more like a mind set. There will only be “elites” if you believe you are inferior; when you think you are oppressed. Every single person on this planet poops.

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@theskafish, I know what you mean, I used to be big into researching them. It put me in a very depressed state so I stopped when I realized what it had done to me. Only recently have I started again with a fresh perceptive. It’s obvious what they are doing. There is no conspiracy, these elite have been telling us what they are up to. They have so much control they are able to tell us while most don’t see it.

My new goal is to find out what they know. Some kind of ancient knowledge. It points to lucifer, or whatever term you put in place of the concept.

@motorik, They aren’t actually quite human. Call it Nephilim, Reptillian, Atlantian, Lemurian, Jewish…..whatever. They are trying to separate us from them.

All this ties into a bigger picture. Consciousness states. I am still and will always be learning.

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@kiidishsounds, I’m just trying to push away the deceit and get a glimpse of what is being hidden from us.

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Anonymous (86) (@) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

Does anyone else find it amusing that so many people seem to think that the “elite” is one unified force?

There are important issues to bring up, but some people sully the waters by just acting silly.

Atlantis? Plato pulled it out of his behind.

New World Order? Right, our track record of keeping secrets is positively gleaming.

Lucifer? Jesus Christ, kill me now.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@conpassione, “Does anyone else find it amusing that so many people seem to think that the “elite” is one unified force?”

Well, we don’t know for certain that it is not, either. Although I don’t think it is likely, myself. I think the elite is really a loose confederation of billionaires tied together by their insatiable desire for power, usually in the form of money or raw resources. It’s like a hobby club…….whose hobby just so happens to be owning as much stuff as possible.

Either way, I stand by what I said earlier…..if you retire early, then for you the economic crisis is over. If you live a life that makes you happy, then they can’t use their crises to make you miserable. It’s about solving things on a personal scale.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@spaceghost, For a while I believed that the Elite are just like the rest of us and they want to do the best thing for humanity, but I realize that yes indeed they are just like the rest of us, they want to make life easier for themselves and amass a position of power that gives them greater control.
Ultimately they see the rest of us as incompetent and that they are chosen to save us and guide us to the best future, but in reality they are exactly the same as the rest of us, but they have phenomenal resources at their disposal.
They are the same in the sense that they are just as clueless about how to behave and do things in ways that have the greatest benefit. There is a battle between freedom and control, ideally we have freedom but freedom results in self-destructive behavior, so they seek to place controls that limit self-destructive behavior.
The irony of this is that the elite are responsible for the most destruction tearing our world and people apart.
I believe the real ideal comes not so much with freedom but with developing self-control in each of us. That is the closest to freedom we can hope for, because rather than others controlling us, we control ourselves.
They have this idea of Nationalization versus Privatization; The problem with both of them is they result ultimately in monopolization, or at least clearly dominant entities emerging. My vision of the most ideal is where everything is individualized. This is to say that every mine, every factory, every supermarket, every business is independently owned, that there is no conglomeration process.
The biggest threat to our world is corporations and industries that are so massive that their influence over-rides the good of the people, that politicians see an entity as more vital than the public well being. When you carve all these industries and corporations down into individual ownership, independent of conglomeration, then no entities will be able to over-ride the public good.
This is in theory but I also believe in a subsidization system; There are basic needs for survival and there are things that are indulgence. The intelligent thing to do is for luxury items to become more expensive so that the excess can be placed into the necessity items. There is a balance to strike there but it is vital, what happens in doing this is that both poverty and environmental waste come down.
At the moment it seems luxury items are only becoming cheaper while cost of living is going through the roof, this could be a sign that we have missed our chance.
(I can go on about this issue for a long time, and the reason there are not many topics on this is because I let fly rants about it)

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Anonymous (145) (@) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

They just want to clean the human gene pool and create a system of undisputed, absolute control over the inferior masses. I highly doubt it that they will be stopped, or that things will turn out ok, so it doesn`t matter.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@whowhatwhy, Well the Elite can only be idiots for so long, eventually they begin to see the advantages of doing things in a considerate way. The Elite are less and less interested in “yes-men” and more interested in advisors who are giving practical information.
The thing is: The best course of action, the most profitable course for the elite, also happens to be the most humane. Education on self-control and individual freedom is the best outcome, no matter who you are, from the peasant to the elite, it is just a matter of ego resistance at the moment.
You can be jaded, pessimistic and defeatist about the world, but objectively that is not what the information is saying.

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Anonymous (145) (@) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@trek79, we are talking about the people who supported the nazi regime….

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Anonymous (86) (@) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@theskafish, the most powerful and wealthy people of the world are human too, and often have conflicting views and goals. I don’t really disagree with you. We should try to stay healthy and happy, and strive for greater things.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@whowhatwhy, There are very few people left who supported the Nazi regime, and those that are alive are vegetables in an old folks home. But we do not know what the Nazis did or did not do, I hate to be the one to sound like devils advocate, but it is true. History is written by the victor and there is a buttload of reasons why the Nazi system is demonized.
National Socialism is one thing, the biggest argument against that is Fascism, which was a cultural phenomena that is otherwise unrelated to the socio-political economic system in question.
The truth is; if we apply a few tweaks to the National Socialist system, such as democracy and multiple divisions and balances of power, then the system has potential, but it would under-mine the extreme capitalist grip the elite enslave us with. Fascism in extreme capitalism is not that different from fascism in National Socialism, the difference being aristocratic rather than racial.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

Think about it; Germany had sanctions imposed on it after WW1, as a result they were hit harder than any other nation by the Great Depression, but in a very short 10 year period they went from the arse end of the world to one step from conquering it. Not just that but generally their people were happy, healthy, had high morale and loyalty. They must have been doing something extremely right.
But we are told they executed Jews and a bunch of people who did not conform with their vision. I will not debate if people were sent to the gas chamber, I think it likely true, but I will say that propaganda played its part just as much in allied countries as it did in Nazi territory, propaganda still alive today.
But Nazis on a war path, to conquer the world, it boggles my mind how short sighted Hitler and his lackeys were. They kinda jumped the gun, given another 20 years of preparation, the world would have been a push over. Just sayn, it is rather convenient that war broke out when it did, convenient for the extreme capitalist elite who obviously reaped all the fruits of the bloodshed.

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Adam (118) (@moonglade) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

Well this thread is quite full of victim mentalities. Personally I really don’t think all rich people are in a conspiracy out to get you. I mean nobody’s cut from a different cloth what one man can do another can do too. Do you think that wealth just falls into people’s laps? Most rich people earn that shit. I know there is the exception of the kid who was born into wealth but in reality you need quite a bit of competence to keep that shit steady.

Also no I am not ignorant to how corporations are trying to control the masses but I don’t think that’s because they want “world domination”. The fact is money quite addicting and in order to keep on getting money you have to manipulate the masses. They don’t want to control us they just want our money so they can expand.

Put your money into thing you believe in (i.e organic foods, sustainable energy sources) and watch the world change. Money makes the world go round. Corporations only do what gets them the most money it’s called business.

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@moonglade, Do a little research.

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Adam (118) (@moonglade) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@spaceghost, what do you mean I know that the economic system is broken as fuck making it hard as fuck for a poor person to get money but I find it hard to believe that people with wealth are together plotting ways to keep other people “controlled”

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Adam (118) (@moonglade) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@spaceghost, where should I start researching

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Anonymous (328) (@) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@spaceghost, I see. In that case there’s really nothing to be found then. If they really want any kind of info hidden then it is as good as non-existent in our “normal” world. When we do obtain info, it’s either scraps or twisted stories. I do consider the ideas, but not until we have solid proof and a chance for a spot light. For now we remain chasing our tails.

Man, there’s just so much we don’t know. If we could believe in any kind of religion then this stuff is more grounded and more convincing in comparison.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@moonglade, That’s not right at all, usually money begets money. There are the few rare exceptions of people who had humble beginings but generally you need wealth to pay for the strategic advisors, think tanks that can tell you how to focus your resources to attain even more wealth. That is the reality, not some work hard and get rich fantasy.
But you are right about one thing, people are addicted to money and materialism, when in reality there is actually very little that is vital to survival and happiness. People are starting to realize this, but certain things wealth brings are hard to just give up, it depends on your psychology.
The elite would like a world where most people will do anything just to survive, to be kept alive, while between the rich is the only place money changes hands. But as I said, people (namely the elite) are starting to realize there is a better way.

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PeaceRiot (178) (@peaceriot) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

I’m not even gonna read about the elite. Just live life to my maximum potential and study in the spirit. If we raise our spiritual consciousness then we are defeating whoever they are on a whole other realm.

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